Onelife wrote: ↑
18 Oct 2018, 11:33
I think it fair to say that l and indeed several others have put forward several different views as to how we think the brexit negotiations should have progressed . What l am certain of us is that none of us could have known how complex theses negotiations would turn out to be when we embarked on Brexit.
I myself have suggested going down the Canadian style option....with its wishful thinking +++ add ons whatever they are?
I have also go along with the 'sod them and walk WTO option' but the more l have read about these two options the more l think Theresa May's 'cabinet' decision is the right one for this country. In many ways l see an extended transition period as an unfortunate but sensible concession should it allow us to sort out the Irish boarder issue, it also allows more time for what are going to be very complex transitional processes.....surely the ultimate goal is to leave the EU even if it takes a little longer than first envisaged.
Barney....l'm not sure how all this is going to pan out but if Theresa May 'can' hold her cabinet together after this suggested concession then one must think that this option is better than going down a route of equally complex canadian/WTO options once outside of the EU.
We did know how complex it'd be - or those of us who listened to knowledgeable people more than two years ago knew - but it was all dismissed as Project Fear.
As said on this board a couple of days ago, nothing has changed, and that is the view of the EU too, as there's to be no special summit in November. So, we drift along until December like a rudderless ship, where no doubt the whole charade will be enacted again. If by some miracle, agreement is reached, it'll be Christmas, so all the MP's will go on holiday, and it won't go before parliament until the new year. Then it's got to get through Parliament, which is not certain. Either way, come mid January, there'll most likely be nothing in place, with just a few weeks to go until Brexit.
Regarding extending the transition period, to have transition, we have to have a deal. (See above).
If the government had done their job effectively and had not messed around for two years, we wouldn't need to extend the transition period anyway. IF (big if), there's a deal, and we extend to transition to 2022, it'll mean we'll be subject to EU rules and regulations but with no say in making the rules and regulations. So much for the 'taking back control' mantra of the Brexiters!
I agree that Teresa May should go - but the problem is I can't see any individual competent enough to a) negotiate Brexit and b) to sort out the mess that we are in.
The only way that I can see out of this hole is to stop Brexit altogether. I know Brexiterrs won't agree as, for some reason or other, we must proceed with this nightmare no matter how damaging it is, but, for me, it's the only sane course of action left.