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Re: Brexit

Post by oldbluefox » 22 Dec 2018, 06:28

So which are your sources Jack? I couldn't find any.

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Post by Jack Staff » 22 Dec 2018, 12:29

oldbluefox wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 06:28
So which are your sources Jack? I couldn't find any.
That's my point. We all only see the polls we want to see.
Anything I post about polls will be ridiculed and belittled because they portray a different view, being from a remainer, elite, leftie, establishment, expert, got it wrong last time....
But it's Christmas, so to keep you amused, here's an easy one for you,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oples-vote
Lots of percentages in there. To help you, remember to include Gwaurdian, opinion, Soros supporter.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Onelife » 22 Dec 2018, 12:50

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:29
oldbluefox wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 06:28
So which are your sources Jack? I couldn't find any.
That's my point. We all only see the polls we want to see.
Anything I post about polls will be ridiculed and belittled because they portray a different view, being from a remainer, elite, leftie, establishment, expert, got it wrong last time....
But it's Christmas, so to keep you amused, here's an easy one for you,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... oples-vote
Lots of percentages in there. To help you, remember to include Gwaurdian, opinion, Soros supporter.
MISSION STATEMENT
InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case against Brexit.......hardly impartial Jack :thumbdown:
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Re: Brexit

Post by oldbluefox » 22 Dec 2018, 13:13

Good try Jack but nothing there to substantiate your 60%+ claims. Whatever you say it's nothing more than unsubstantiated Remain propaganda.

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Post by Jack Staff » 22 Dec 2018, 13:17

Onelife wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:50
MISSION STATEMENT
InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case against Brexit.......hardly impartial Jack :thumbdown:
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:29
Anything I post about polls will be ridiculed and belittled because they portray a different view, being from a remainer, elite, leftie, establishment, expert, got it wrong last time....
Remainer? "fact-based case against Brexit", so yes.
Elite? They have a job, so yes.
Leftie? They are journalists, so yes.
Establishment? "Against Brexit" so yes.
Expert? "Fact based", so yes
Got it wrong last time? I don't know about that one.

Thank you Keith, for proving my point so concisely.
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Post by towny44 » 22 Dec 2018, 13:19

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 13:17
Onelife wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:50
MISSION STATEMENT
InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case against Brexit.......hardly impartial Jack :thumbdown:
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:29
Anything I post about polls will be ridiculed and belittled because they portray a different view, being from a remainer, elite, leftie, establishment, expert, got it wrong last time....
Remainer? "fact-based case against Brexit", so yes.
Elite? They have a job, so yes.
Leftie? They are journalists, so yes.
Establishment? "Against Brexit" so yes.
Expert? "Fact based", so yes
Got it wrong last time? I don't know about that one.

Thank you Keith, for proving my point so concisely.
Jack you are as slippery as an eel. :lol:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 22 Dec 2018, 14:24

Onelife wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:50
InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case against Brexit.......hardly impartial Jack :thumbdown:
If you are actually interested, this is probably the most impartial thing that has crossed my screen this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcMMu4f ... e=youtu.be
It's only 8 minutes, though it might feel longer.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Onelife » 22 Dec 2018, 16:35

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 14:24
Onelife wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 12:50
InFacts is a journalistic enterprise making the fact-based case against Brexit.......hardly impartial Jack :thumbdown:
If you are actually interested, this is probably the most impartial thing that has crossed my screen this morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcMMu4f ... e=youtu.be
It's only 8 minutes, though it might feel longer.

Hi Jack.....It left me with the impression that the interview had taken place in the back of a remain campaign bus.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 22 Dec 2018, 16:59

Onelife wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 16:35
Hi Jack.....It left me with the impression that the interview had taken place in the back of a remain campaign bus.
That is the real problem in this country now. No one will even listen to people with a view that is not already their own.

It took place in NZ, for Kiwi's.
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Re: Brexit

Post by oldbluefox » 22 Dec 2018, 17:01

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 16:59
That is the real problem in this country now. No one will even listen to people with a view that is not already their own.
Keep away from mirrors Jack. ;)

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 22 Dec 2018, 17:09

So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
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Post by towny44 » 22 Dec 2018, 23:14

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
If project fear is to be believed if you think things are bad now, after March 2019 today will see like nirvana.
Of course that's only true of the glass half empty remainers, for the happy band of glass half full leavers April will be paradise.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Mervyn and Trish » 23 Dec 2018, 12:06

Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
No Jack. Sad what the political elite have done to this country by ignoring the concerns of the electorate.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Jack Staff » 23 Dec 2018, 12:10

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 12:06
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
No Jack. Sad what the political elite have done to this country by ignoring the concerns of the electorate.
We should have another vote then, shouldn't we.
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Post by Ray Scully » 23 Dec 2018, 12:12

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 12:06
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
No Jack. Sad what the political elite have done to this country by ignoring the concerns of the electorate.
Yes! the concerns of both sides.


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Re: Brexit

Post by screwy » 23 Dec 2018, 13:53

I propose a cease fire till January 2nd. Peace and goodwill to all men (inc Jack ) only joking..

Merry Christmas everyone.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Mervyn and Trish » 23 Dec 2018, 16:11

screwy wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 13:53
I propose a cease fire till January 2nd. Peace and goodwill to all men (inc Jack ) only joking..

Merry Christmas everyone.
Seconded. :) :) :)

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Re: Brexit

Post by Kenmo1 » 23 Dec 2018, 17:25

Thirded - if there is such a word.

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Post by towny44 » 23 Dec 2018, 17:34

Sounds like a good idea as there is unlikely to be anything from the govt., until they return after the holidays. Maybe chance for a ceasefire footy match on Xmas day :angel:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Mervyn and Trish » 23 Dec 2018, 17:54

Jezzer kicking penalties. Theresa in goal. Dianne keeping score?

And if any go over the bar try not to hit Juncker.

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Re: Brexit

Post by oldbluefox » 23 Dec 2018, 19:51

What happens if we win 52-48? ;)


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Re: Brexit

Post by screwy » 23 Dec 2018, 20:46

The losers cry foul and demand a replay....stop it,you’ve got me going now...
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Re: Brexit

Post by oldbluefox » 23 Dec 2018, 20:52

screwy wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 20:46
The losers cry foul and demand a replay....stop it,you’ve got me going now...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by towny44 » 23 Dec 2018, 22:39

oldbluefox wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 19:51
What happens if we win 52-48? ;)
If Dianne is keeping score we all demand a recount.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Gill W » 24 Dec 2018, 09:40

towny44 wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 23:14
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
If project fear is to be believed if you think things are bad now, after March 2019 today will see like nirvana.
Of course that's only true of the glass half empty remainers, for the happy band of glass half full leavers April will be paradise.
I can’t help wondering what kind of hell the EU causes in your daily life, if a country that has had to buy up refrigerators to stockpile medicines is a paradise!
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Re: Brexit

Post by towny44 » 24 Dec 2018, 09:50

Gill W wrote:
24 Dec 2018, 09:40
towny44 wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 23:14
Jack Staff wrote:
22 Dec 2018, 17:09
So sad what Brexit has done to my country :(
If project fear is to be believed if you think things are bad now, after March 2019 today will see like nirvana.
Of course that's only true of the glass half empty remainers, for the happy band of glass half full leavers April will be paradise.
I can’t help wondering what kind of hell the EU causes in your daily life, if a country that has had to buy up refrigerators to stockpile medicines is a paradise!
There is supposed to be a truce until Jan 2nd Gill, so I will refrain from repeating all the issues I have with the EU.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Manoverboard » 24 Dec 2018, 09:59

oldbluefox wrote:
23 Dec 2018, 19:51
What happens if we win 52-48? ;)
It'll be a draw :angel:


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Post by Ray Scully » 24 Dec 2018, 11:46

There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology. :-(

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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Post by anniec » 24 Dec 2018, 12:11

Ray Scully wrote:
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There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology. :-(
Good heavens, perhaps a sense of proportion is in order. Even the British and Germans battling it out in WW1 managed a brief Christmas truce :eh:

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Re: Brexit

Post by Onelife » 24 Dec 2018, 13:17

Ray Scully wrote:
24 Dec 2018, 11:46
There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology. :-(

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Give me two bird in the bush anyday :thumbup: :lol:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Onelife » 24 Dec 2018, 13:24

My gawd....l've just had a Christmas card from Theresa :thumbup: :D


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Re: Brexit

Post by Ray Scully » 24 Dec 2018, 14:29

Onelife wrote:
24 Dec 2018, 13:17
Ray Scully wrote:
24 Dec 2018, 11:46
There can't be a truce with such entrenched positions, many based on ideology. :-(

My pragmatic opinion is based on the old adage a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Give me two bird in the bush anyday :thumbup: :lol:
Onelife!! was there really any need to lower the tone of the debate :angel: :moresarcasm:

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Re: Brexit

Post by barney » 28 Dec 2018, 13:07

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... l-archives

Back in 1994, they couldn't agree on what the question should be.

how about
Leave the EU
Remain in the EU

It's not that difficult is it ?

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Re: Brexit

Post by towny44 » 28 Dec 2018, 14:11

I thought we were still under the moratorium?
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Post by oldbluefox » 28 Dec 2018, 15:30

It's not particularly current Brexit so we'll let him off with it this time.

PS barney, thank you for your most generous Christmas present!!! :lol:
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Re: Brexit

Post by Mervyn and Trish » 28 Dec 2018, 19:34

towny44 wrote:
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I thought we were still under the moratorium?
I think we should extend the moratorium until something actually happens. One way or the other! :sarcasm:

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Post by towny44 » 28 Dec 2018, 20:24

Mervyn and Trish wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 19:34
towny44 wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 14:11
I thought we were still under the moratorium?
I think we should extend the moratorium until something actually happens. One way or the other! :sarcasm:
Good grief that could be Dec 2020, or even later!!!!
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Re: Brexit

Post by Ray Scully » 10 Jan 2019, 13:51

Well done Mr. Speaker, you may have shifted the logjam.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Stephen » 10 Jan 2019, 15:13

The lot of them are a disgrace.

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Post by david63 » 10 Jan 2019, 15:38

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The lot of them are a disgrace.
The way that they are behaving is worse than spoilt children and they should all be sent to the "naughty step".

It is time that MP's joined the real world rather than this remote world that they are in at the moment. All these shenanigans that are going on at the moment are nothing to do with the "will of the people" (i.e. leave the EU) but are about their own personal views and/or political motives.

We have all in out time had to do things in our working lives that we did not want to, or like to, do and we knew what the option was - but why would you give up a £77k gravy train to keep to your principles?

The people voted to leave, there is a non renegotiable deal on the table - get on with it!

As for JC wanting a General Election - I say "be careful what you ask for", it is not a foregone conclusion that you will win! And if there were to be a GE there would only be one subject in the manifestos. Quite honestly I doubt that many of the public have got the stomach for another couple of years of all this.
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Post by Ray Scully » 10 Jan 2019, 16:00

I don't think JC wants a general election, which he could certainly lose (1 Socialist here that would not vote Labour with Corbyn and Seumas Milne in charge) He wants a cliff edge departure, the resulting damage would rapidly bring down the Tories giving him the top job, with the UK no longer being in the EU.


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Post by anniec » 10 Jan 2019, 16:18

Ray Scully wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 16:00
I don't think JC wants a general election, which he could certainly lose (1 Socialist here that would not vote Labour with Corbyn and Seumas Milne in charge) He wants a cliff edge departure, the resulting damage would rapidly bring down the Tories giving him the top job, with the UK no longer being in the EU.
Spot on.

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Re: Brexit

Post by Manoverboard » 11 Jan 2019, 10:12

Early days … I have noted that some of the rebel Tories plus a number of Labour MPs, having made their political stand, have switched sides and are presently intending to vote in favour of Mrs Mays Master Plan. The DUP will doubtless do a ' U ' turn at the eleventh hour, et voila :clap:


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Re: Brexit

Post by screwy » 11 Jan 2019, 12:08

Watching QT last night i thought i heard Thornbush say that Labour had agreed at their conferance to'vote against' any deal .?? So if thats the case then Labour truly are playing party politics..
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Post by david63 » 11 Jan 2019, 12:48

screwy wrote:
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Watching QT last night i thought i heard Thornbush say that Labour had agreed at their conferance to'vote against' any deal
You did


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Re: Brexit

Post by screwy » 11 Jan 2019, 15:02

Added to that , That Odious, Loathsome creature Owen Jones.It would be nice to see some one put him in his place..
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Post by oldbluefox » 11 Jan 2019, 15:24

screwy wrote:
11 Jan 2019, 15:02
Added to that , That Odious, Loathsome creature Owen Jones.It would be nice to see some one put him in his place..
Michael Portillo did last night on This Week. Surprised the odious Owen Jones didn't have one of his usual strops and march off.


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Post by screwy » 11 Jan 2019, 16:03

Yeah i saw that,be nice to see someone put him on his a*se..
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Post by barney » 11 Jan 2019, 16:12

The potential damage that could be inflicted upon this country by the anti-democrats is enormous.
They don't seem to realise the full implications of their actions.

A few months ago, a couple of hundred thousand middle class and middle aged 'protestors' marched through the capital.
They were generally good humoured and took a few selfies.
When the celebs had finished speaking, they got back into their Audi suvs and trundled back to suburbia, feeling smug and thinking that they had had their say.

Should Parliament not carry through the legitimate instruction of the majority of the electorate, there will no doubt be another march in London.
This time it will be the ignored majority, accompanied by large elements of the far right.
Be assured, this will not be a peaceful demonstration.
This will be hi-jacked by the EDL and others and be a very violent riot.
The likes that London has not seen since the Poll Tax riots ( I know, as I was there)

The smug politicos are shooting themselves in the foot and will have to answer for the consequences.

Democracy ONLY works with the consent of the losing side.
If the losing side will not accept the result, then the next step is anarchy.

Those calling for a 'people's vote' must understand the consequences of that.
Just say remain win by 52-48%
Do they seriously expect that the 48% will just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well. never mind.
There will be massive civil unrest all across the country.
Major cities will burn.
The far right will be out in force and sweep up all the low lifes looking for a punch up in their wake.

At the moment, the UK is lucky in the fact that it doesn't have a large far right movement, unlike most other European countries.
Should Brexit not happen, for any reason, this will change in a heartbeat.
The pseudo liberals will then be wringing their hands and wondering where it all went wrong.

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Post by Jack Staff » 11 Jan 2019, 16:45

barney wrote:
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If the losing side will not accept the result, then the next step is anarchy.

Those calling for a 'people's vote' must understand the consequences of that.
Just say remain win by 52-48%
Do they seriously expect that the 48% will just shrug their shoulders and say, oh well. never mind.
There will be massive civil unrest all across the country.
Major cities will burn.
The far right will be out in force and sweep up all the low lifes looking for a punch up in their wake.

At the moment, the UK is lucky in the fact that it doesn't have a large far right movement, unlike most other European countries.
Should Brexit not happen, for any reason, this will change in a heartbeat.
The pseudo liberals will then be wringing their hands and wondering where it all went wrong.
We are British. We do not appease, we fight fascists.
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