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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by Manoverboard » 12 Aug 2019, 08:40

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…. starting next week presumably ;)
Looks like that's what the Hornets were thinking. :o
It seems the Foxes were ' saved ' from losing by VAR in their game :wave:

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Post by oldbluefox » 12 Aug 2019, 11:31

Good decision!! :clap: :thumbup:

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 18 Aug 2019, 19:56

Terriers manager the first to get the old tin tack.

Old dog.
No new tricks.

Siewert I did there?

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Post by oldbluefox » 19 Aug 2019, 14:19

Great result for us today. With a bit of better finishing we could have taken all three points. Chelsea were all over us for the first 20 minutes but after that they seemed to run out of gas and the game was ours for the taking.
We've got the Blades next week so it will be interesting o see what we do against them. Never keen on meeting promoted teams early in the season when they're all fired up and full of adrenaline.

Nobody's asked yet. Who do we think are going to be in the relegation pack? I reckon Newcastle could be one but what about the others?
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Post by Manoverboard » 19 Aug 2019, 18:22

Crystal Palace unless Zaha stops sulking would be my guess given that they are presently weaker in attack and defence, not a good combination me thinks.

Aston Villa would be my second choice and like Foxy Newcastle my third … albeit in no particular order.

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 20 Aug 2019, 07:59

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Great result for us today. With a bit of better finishing we could have taken all three points. Chelsea were all over us for the first 20 minutes but after that they seemed to run out of gas and the game was ours for the taking.
We've got the Blades next week so it will be interesting o see what we do against them. Never keen on meeting promoted teams early in the season when they're all fired up and full of adrenaline.

Nobody's asked yet. Who do we think are going to be in the relegation pack? I reckon Newcastle could be one but what about the others?
The blades have a young centre back called John Egan who made his name at the Gills.
Another in the long line of good players who left on a free, although we did get a bit for development.
I could tell on his debut that he was too good for our level.

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 20 Aug 2019, 20:07

Hornets loanee gets his second of the season for Gills :thumbup:

a beauty :wave:

now just hang on for seventy minutes

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Post by Manoverboard » 21 Aug 2019, 07:48

barney wrote:
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Hornets loanee gets his second of the season for Gills :thumbup:

a beauty :wave:

now just hang on for seventy minutes
He scored two actually … so now you need to get a few loanee defenders :lol:

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Post by barney » 21 Aug 2019, 09:19

It was a cracker of a two two Moby.
Best game I've seen for many a day.

Both of their goals were beauties and not down to defensive errors.

It could have been four four.

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Post by Manoverboard » 07 Sep 2019, 18:17

Well …. it just had to happen.

The Hornets have just appointed Quique Sanchez Florez as their new latest Manger. He was sorely missed when he left in 2016 but it's great to see him back.

Javi Gracia was deffo a decent bloke but seemed to lack charisma, best wishes from this Hornet :wave: .

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 07 Sep 2019, 19:11

Will he finish the season, that is the question?

Once again, Gills managed to snatch a point from a position of convincing victory.

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 09 Sep 2019, 17:40

Cowley bros.
Good shout for the Terriers.

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Post by towny44 » 09 Sep 2019, 17:49

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Cowley bros.
Good shout for the Terriers.
Worried they only have lower league experience, but Wagner had no major league experience either.
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Post by Manoverboard » 09 Sep 2019, 18:04

barney wrote:
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Will he finish the season, that is the question …..
He's probably been bought in short term while the owners seek other candidates for the 2020 / 21 season :thumbup:

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 10 Sep 2019, 18:57

:lol: Hornets are playing Gills tonight behind closed doors.
Probably both a bit embarrassed to go public

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 10 Sep 2019, 19:25

:D It finished 6-3 to Gills.
Says everything about both defences

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Post by Manoverboard » 11 Sep 2019, 09:33

barney wrote:
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:D It finished 6-3 to Gills.
Says everything about both defences
That's far better than we did against Man City :lol:

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Post by barney » 11 Sep 2019, 13:01

I believe it was Watfords stiffs and kids and was little more than a run about for them.
Gills used it to watch fringe players who think they deserve a chance in the team.
One lad got a first half hat trick so did his claim no harm.

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Post by Manoverboard » 11 Sep 2019, 13:27

A run out for the kids it has to be as there is nothing reported on the O's Official site nor even in the local Rag. Minutes rather than results at this level are the most important but well done to the lad who got a hattrick … who on earth was our goalie assuming we actually had one :lol:

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 15 Sep 2019, 22:46

:thumbup: Great Hornets comeback

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Post by towny44 » 16 Sep 2019, 08:39

I cannot see Town making a comeback anytime soon, it might have to be from League 2 if we don't start performing.
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Post by Manoverboard » 16 Sep 2019, 08:54

barney wrote:
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:thumbup: Great Hornets comeback
It was deffo a game of two halves … I enjoyed the second half best :clap:

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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 16 Sep 2019, 10:35

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I cannot see Town making a comeback anytime soon, it might have to be from League 2 if we don't start performing.
Cowley will sort them out Towny.
I may well mean a few new faces in but his track record is good.
He will not tolerate slackers.

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barney wrote:
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I cannot see Town making a comeback anytime soon, it might have to be from League 2 if we don't start performing.
Cowley will sort them out Towny.
I may well mean a few new faces in but his track record is good.
He will not tolerate slackers.
I do hope you're right Barney, my concern is that on all TV viewings, since we beat Wolves in Feb, we have looked totally inferior technically, even against Cowleys Imps in the Carabau cup defeat, and he would need to be a miracle worker to remedy that deficit.
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Re: Football 2019/20

Post by barney » 16 Sep 2019, 14:44

Football is 50 % confidence.
A few decent wins changes everything.

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Post by oldbluefox » 05 Oct 2019, 12:54

What is the difference between Watford and a triangle?


A triangle has 3 points!!!
Sorry Mob but I hope you can get some points on the board this afternoon. You've had a lousy start to the season. Good luck!!!

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Post by Manoverboard » 05 Oct 2019, 14:00

Triangle my a*se …. you wouldn't have said that if your lot weren't doing so well :lol:

ps .… Spurs are presently 3:0 down to Brighton :shock:

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Post by oldbluefox » 05 Oct 2019, 14:30

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Triangle my a*se …. you wouldn't have said that if your lot weren't doing so well :lol:

ps .… Spurs are presently 3:0 down to Brighton :shock:
I know and I'm enjoying it while it lasts (probably until 4.50 this afternoon!!! :lol: )

Spurs - the only team who can come third in a two horse race.Not the best of losers but they should be getting used to it. :thumbup:

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Post by oldbluefox » 05 Oct 2019, 17:04

Mob, what have Watford and a triangle got in common? :lol:

Bit of a sickener for us giving away a needless penalty in the last minute. :cry:
Good team though. :clap:

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Post by Manoverboard » 05 Oct 2019, 17:07

What is the difference between Watford and a rectangle ?

A rectangle has 4 points !!! :yawn:


ps .… the Foxes lost to ' dive ' and VAR let it stand :angel:

pps … The Terriers got 3 :clap:

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Post by barney » 05 Oct 2019, 17:15

3 for the mighty Gills as well..... Plus missed two penalties.
I wonder if there has ever been a hat trick of penalty misses?

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Post by towny44 » 05 Oct 2019, 19:03

Manoverboard wrote:
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What is the difference between Watford and a rectangle ?

A rectangle has 4 points !!! :yawn:


ps .… the Foxes lost to ' dive ' and VAR let it stand :angel:

pps … The Terriers got 3 :clap:
Yes after our first win I calculated that if we kept up our 4 from 7 form we might get into the play offs, now after 7 from 9 we might make auto promotion. If we continue to improve at the same rate who know where we could be.
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Post by barney » 08 Oct 2019, 14:12

There.
A bit of positivity at last John.
Promotion may be a bit ambitious but mid table obscurity is certainly on the cards.

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Post by towny44 » 08 Oct 2019, 15:04

According to my son we played our best football since we beat Wolves last season. I am now hoping we are safe from relegation by January, then we can concentrate on an FA cup run, we haven't had one of those for decades.
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Post by Manoverboard » 08 Oct 2019, 15:25

We had a cup run in May …. unfortunately :cry:

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Post by Manoverboard » 26 Oct 2019, 11:24

0:9 to the Foxes, WOW :clap: :clap: :clap:

I feel sorry for the Saint's players / supporters but this result will hopefully help heal our Man City 8:0 drubbing. :(

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Post by barney » 26 Oct 2019, 12:50

My lad had Vardy as captain and played his triple points in his dream team. Straight to top of the league.
I scored....... 0 points

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Post by oldbluefox » 26 Oct 2019, 17:29

It was a poor performance by the Saints against a team full of confidence. Their sending off didn't help but the writing was on the wall before that. It's going to be a long season for Southampton and their supporters based on that display.

Pleased to have helped you out Mob!!! :lol: :wave:

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Post by oldbluefox » 09 Nov 2019, 15:08

Congratulations to Watford on their first League win. It's been a long time coming but now off the bottom. :clap:

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Post by barney » 09 Nov 2019, 23:06

Leicester.
They couldn't, could they?

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Post by oldbluefox » 10 Nov 2019, 22:08

Just enjoying it while it lasts but can't see anybody catching Liverpool at the moment and Man City will always be in the mix. A top 4 finish would be amazing. Watch this space for with our team you never know any more.

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What is the current view of VAR now that it has been operational for a few months. My view was that it was not needed and unlikely to resolve the arguments over referee's and linesmen's decisions.
All that it seems to have done is move the conflict away from the on field officials to those in the VAR bunker, most contentious offside and handball decisions are still just that unresolved, there is no way any assistant referee could reasonably be expected to flag for offside as accurately as VAR, nor can a referee be expected to adjudicate in the split second a ball hits a hand as to whether it was deliberate or accidental, and VAR outcomes in all of these create even more arguments than the original on field referee's decision.
The current VAR rules and regulations are, IMO, not fit for purpose and they should stop using it live in matches, but continue to use it as a training vehicle for officials and then to try and establish a more reasonable set of rules that overturns only very major incorrect decisions.
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Post by Manoverboard » 11 Nov 2019, 09:00

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Congratulations to Watford on their first League win. It's been a long time coming but now off the bottom. :clap:
Cheers …. it's been really horrible occupying that bottom spot

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Post by Manoverboard » 11 Nov 2019, 09:05

VAR is still settling in as are those who adjudicate using it. A few teething problems should be expected but it will come good imo in the end.

I am however generally happy with the offside rulings as one is either off or on and getting it wrong, even by a toe nail, can result ultimately in a team being relegated / not playing in Europe etc.

The handball Law needs revising as players are deliberately pinging the ball at the defending players wayward extremities to gain unfair advantage.

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VAR is still settling in as are those who adjudicate using it. A few teething problems should be expected but it will come good imo in the end.

I am however generally happy with the offside rulings as one is either off or on and getting it wrong, even by a toe nail, can result ultimately in a team being relegated / not playing in Europe etc.

The handball Law needs revising as players are deliberately pinging the ball at the defending players wayward extremities to gain unfair advantage.
VAR should be attempting to ensure that officials got the decision as correct as possible, only a Marvel super hero would have the eyesight to pick out some of the offside decisions that have been overturned. And surely if any player could pick out an opponents hand with a shot, then he would be better served passing the ball to one of his team mate, but a review of the handball law would not be a bad thing.
VAR as currently operated is deeply flawed and it should go withdrawn and a heck of a lot more training and understanding of what it requires to amend needs to be studied before it is re-introduced.
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Post by oldbluefox » 11 Nov 2019, 11:35

towny44 wrote:
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What is the current view of VAR now that it has been operational for a few months. My view was that it was not needed and unlikely to resolve the arguments over referee's and linesmen's decisions.
All that it seems to have done is move the conflict away from the on field officials to those in the VAR bunker, most contentious offside and handball decisions are still just that unresolved, there is no way any assistant referee could reasonably be expected to flag for offside as accurately as VAR, nor can a referee be expected to adjudicate in the split second a ball hits a hand as to whether it was deliberate or accidental, and VAR outcomes in all of these create even more arguments than the original on field referee's decision.
The current VAR rules and regulations are, IMO, not fit for purpose and they should stop using it live in matches, but continue to use it as a training vehicle for officials and then to try and establish a more reasonable set of rules that overturns only very major incorrect decisions.
I still think it has a value but the problem with it is the way it is administered, and some of the decisions are still debatable. To my mind the first Man City penalty appeal should have been given. He had his arm out and clearly stopped the ball going through. The second was a case of ball hitting hand so no penalty.
As for the offsides (and we have benefited) I find it pretty ludicrous that you can be claimed offside when there are literally inches in it (or just a toenail!!!). I'm not sure whether this was the intention when VAR was first mooted. There has to be a degree of leeway, much as there is with penalty decisions which can be a 50/50 affair. On the positive side it has eradicated some of the pushing and pulling at corners but it still goes on and even with VAR defenders are still getting away with it.
At the moment it could be better than it is. I wonder if it could be improved by allowing teams three appeals apiece, much as there is in tennis and cricket. What do you think? Discuss!!! :lol:

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Post by gfwgfw » 11 Nov 2019, 17:15

VAR . . . . . is it improving our beloved sport ?
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Post by towny44 » 11 Nov 2019, 18:09

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VAR . . . . . is it improving our beloved sport ?
No it's just as inconsistent as referees decisions, and creates even more argument and division.
I don't think the cricket option would work for football, just imagine a team captain trying to get a consensus, then chasing after the ref. all this possibly while the game continues. :shock:
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Post by oldbluefox » 11 Nov 2019, 18:48

Yet it seems to work for rugby.

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Post by towny44 » 11 Nov 2019, 20:05

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Yet it seems to work for rugby.
The video ref in RL is only consulted by the on field ref, and then only after a possible try, is it different in RU?
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