Two more "New" ships for Thomson

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Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by towny44 » 16 May 2015, 09:16

As well as Splendour OTS joining Thomson I have just read that TUI are to transfer Mein Schiff 1 and 2 to Thomson's fleet, these were originally Celebrity's Galaxy and Mercury, all 3 went into service mid 1990's and range from 69000 for Splendour OTS up to 77700 for Mercury, similar in age and size to P&O's Oriana, but with quite a few more balconies.
So Thomson's fleet will be substantially improved and updated once this happens.
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 16 May 2015, 09:28

Nice looking 'schiffs' when we've seen them in Funchal harbour

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Post by Manoverboard » 16 May 2015, 10:06

They will doubtless be tarted up to fit in with Thomson's ' Premium ' grade, albeit it may not actually be called Thomson cos it seems that that Brand name may be scrapped.

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Post by david63 » 16 May 2015, 11:05

I read somewhere recently that there is a big restructuring of Tui/Thomson so maybe this is part of it.

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Post by Kendhni » 16 May 2015, 11:08

I think TUI should go the whole hog and get itself some new ships.
It is good to see Thomson doing so well and building success at the lower-middle end of the market ... I think they should consider pushing themselves out of this comfort zone and attack the upper-middle end of the market hard ... they have the ability and product to do it.


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Post by Andrea S » 16 May 2015, 11:53

As a German company will they be 'selling' the larger ships to their local clientele. The thought of fun around the pools sprung to mind.

A number of years ago the Tui name was on all Thomson planes and on placards outside their High St outlets. There was a lot of restructuring then for financial reasons, maybe this is going to be another new start for them.


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Post by Ray Scully » 16 May 2015, 12:49

I am under the impression that Thomson ships are operated under charter by Celestyal Cruises (formerly Louis Cruises and Louis Cruise Lines)

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Post by towny44 » 16 May 2015, 12:56

Ray Scully wrote:I am under the impression that Thomson ships are operated under charter by Celestyal Cruises (formerly Louis Cruises and Louis Cruise Lines)

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That is gradually being phased out and the newer ships are now run by a TUI/RCI consortium I believe.
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Post by Ray Scully » 18 May 2015, 14:43

If balconies are readily available, I could be tempted back, as I fondly remember the enjoyable entertainment experienced on Thomson ships.
Saying that the smaller more intimate venues could have been a factor. Never the less I would enjoy sharing with those new to cruising our experiences and tales from over 30 cruises

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Post by Dark Knight » 18 May 2015, 15:35

the Island escape goes first and the island escape brand goes with it
the Dream, Spirit, Celebration and Majesty are all leased one way or another and as the leases expire they will not be renewed but replaced with newer more modern ships from the parent company, though not brand new ships, just newer
the Thomson brand will also go to be replaced by the TUI brand
the hope is that there will be more ex UK sailings in the coming couple of years as the new ships meet the current regulations for sailing into Northern Europe, the Baltics and the fjords etc
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 18 May 2015, 17:20

Dark Knight wrote:As the leases expire they will not be renewed but replaced with newer more modern ships from the parent company, though not brand new ships, just newer
So pretty much anything under forty years old and made of steel rather than oak is in the frame then! :sarcasm:

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Post by towny44 » 18 May 2015, 22:49

I suspect that P&O might be a wee bit worried about Thomson's "new" ships, they will clearly be major competition not only against Oriana but Aurora and Oceana as well, and if DK is correct and they intend to offer more UK sailings, then the gloves could really come off. I predict cheap offers galore.
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Post by barney » 19 May 2015, 08:08

Thomson is quite a niche market in my opinion and I don't think the addition of a few twenty year old ships will have P&O or any others, quaking in their boots.

The lady who sits in front of us a football often cruises with Thomson.
She tried P&O (Oriana) once but said that she found the whole thing a bit too posh for her.

I think Thomson's market is the more casual end.

We saw Schiff 2 in Valleta last year and thought it was a dam ugly ship.

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Post by Manoverboard » 19 May 2015, 11:37

Posh or not Thomson ( or whoever ) will probably get our custom from time to time if their itineraries are as interesting as they potentially could be.

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Post by Dark Knight » 19 May 2015, 12:07

Thomson are somewhat restricted by the current fleet, as they are not owned by them and they are dated, so that does impact on how much they can do on board and what facilities are available in terms of dining options , venues etc
once they own their own ships , then things could change and hopefully they will get back to ex UK sailings to the Baltics, Fjords, Iceland etc
the Mein Schiff, boats are about as old as one of the Pando ones, I think, so age isn't the issue, it is internal space and facilities that matter, not how old or how a ship looks, that said some numpties are already moaning as it has a black hull, so they would not set foot on it, actually they are dark blue
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 19 May 2015, 12:54

Surely even Sleazy Cruise can afford a few tins of paint if their inmates clients don't like the colour? :crazy:

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Post by Dark Knight » 19 May 2015, 13:42

none left as Pile it cheap, have used it all to paint over those cheap and tacky tattoo's they have put on the front of their floating tower blocks
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Re: Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by towny44 » 19 May 2015, 14:21

Thomsons current fleet is white so I imagine the new ones will be the same colour.
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Post by Dark Knight » 19 May 2015, 14:34

depends if the go with the parent company colours? which is dark blue
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Post by Dark Knight » 19 May 2015, 14:35

Oh and it wont be called Thomson any more either
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 19 May 2015, 15:11

Perhaps they'll call it Calamity in the hope of getting some sofistikated customers?

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Post by Manoverboard » 19 May 2015, 18:33

Thomson have a decent enough track record regarding land based, coaching and indeed cruising holidays ... P&O struggle at times to even get cruising right, take Britannia as a prime example .... Thomson deffo know how to install lifts that work properly.

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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 19 May 2015, 19:02

Do Thomson currently have any ships modern enough to have lifts, or big enough to need them?

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Post by Manoverboard » 20 May 2015, 07:36

Mervyn and Trish wrote:Do Thomson currently have any ships modern enough to have lifts, or big enough to need them?
Of course, since getting rid of the rope ladders haven't they got those lifts with a bell and pull across ornamental wrought iron metal doors a la Poirot ?

Whatever the downside / upside regarding their lifts ( did you see what I did there ? ) I am certain that they ' could ' attract lots of new customers with some inspired itineraries that avoid as far as is possible the mass market destinations that the larger ships need to frequent.

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Post by Dark Knight » 20 May 2015, 18:05

Good old Pile it cheap, spend god knows how many hundreds of millions on a new ship and they build a lemon
thankfully Thomson have proper ships that are designed to fit function over Bling and crass vulgarity
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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 20 May 2015, 18:18

Dark Knight wrote:Good old Pile it cheap, spend god knows how many hundreds of millions on a new ship and they build a lemon
thankfully Thomson have proper ships that are designed to fit function over Bling and crass vulgarity
So is that complete with scurvy and solid oak bottoms? :crazy:

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Post by Dark Knight » 21 May 2015, 15:46

I have just realised Brittania is perfectly designed for most PandO passengers, as their lifts don't go all the way to the top ,either

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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 21 May 2015, 16:13

Dark Knight wrote:I have just realised Brittania is perfectly designed for most PandO passengers, as their lifts don't go all the way to the top ,either

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Crikey, that was like a joke, but without the funny bit. :crazy:

At least it keeps the upper decks quiet for the more nimble among us :thumbup:


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Re: Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by screwy » 22 Aug 2016, 11:25

Have been looking at the 2 Mein Schiffs, they lookvery nice with lots of Balconies and very smart interiors/cabins, if Thomson dont do anything drastic with them i would certainly consider them.

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Post by towny44 » 22 Aug 2016, 16:52

screwy wrote:Have been looking at the 2 Mein Schiffs, they lookvery nice with lots of Balconies and very smart interiors/cabins, if Thomson dont do anything drastic with them i would certainly consider them.
You could do far worse Screwy, they were both Celebrity ships and combined with Thomson's superior service to P&O they could well be onto a winner.
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Re: Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by screwy » 22 Aug 2016, 17:27

Our first cruise was on the Thomson 'Topaz' an old Riveted rust bucket but the service, food and entertainment was excellent.

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Post by Mervyn and Trish » 22 Aug 2016, 17:51

We're put off Thomson by their "rust buckets" but if they get some modern ships, with some balcony cabins, we could be tempted if the itinerary and price were right.

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Post by wolfie » 22 Aug 2016, 18:13

Dark Knight wrote:I have just realised Brittania is perfectly designed for most PandO passengers, as their lifts don't go all the way to the top ,either

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Post by screwy » 22 Aug 2016, 18:38

I see they have also purchaced 'Ledgend of the Seas' from RCI.

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Post by Jan Rosser » 22 Aug 2016, 19:12

screwy wrote:Our first cruise was on the Thomson 'Topaz' an old Riveted rust bucket but the service, food and entertainment was excellent.
A gang of my co workers went on an all inclusive cruise on the Topaz and almost drunk her dry :crazy:

I've been on several Thomson ships and yes they do creak a bit but I agree the food, service and entertainment are good and one of the best itineraries they did was the Red Sea cruises - Petra, Wadi Rum, the Pyramids, Cairo Museum - chaotic but worth it to see the Tutenkhamun mask - just some of the highlights - I would certainly sail on their ships if the itinerary was right.
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Re: Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by Dark Knight » 23 Aug 2016, 14:52

Thomson need to be careful as to where they position themselves in the UK cruise market, already some comments have been made about the prices on the "new" discovery ship increasing dramatically.
Thomson have as loyal a following as nay cruise line and that like PandO serves them well but if the prices rise to sharply then people will look at other lines. Conversely if Thomson up their game and offer newer ships at decent prices, they may then take passengers from other lines?
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Re: Two more "New" ships for Thomson

Post by screwy » 23 Aug 2016, 15:38

Your right DK, also add more UK Dep's ansd i would certainly look at them, not everyone wants Fly/Cruises.

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