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Very true clever clogs :lol: :lol: but you know what I mean :wave:
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Given that the so called tips are an essential part of the crew payment, because of the low basic wages they get, it is a bit odd we are allowed to choose not to pay them.

Are any other elements of the 'fare' optional?

Can we choose not to pay our share of the fuel for example?

It is most definitely because some choose not to pay that there is a steady increase in the 'optional' charge for those that do pay.

For goodness sake make it part of the fare or a compulsory extra and find a 21st century way of managing any staff who perform badly.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote: 17 May 2017, 21:19
Given that the so called tips are an essential part of the crew payment, because of the low basic wages they get, it is a bit odd we are allowed to choose not to pay them.

Are any other elements of the 'fare' optional?

Can we choose not to pay our share of the fuel for example?

It is most definitely because some choose not to pay that there is a steady increase in the 'optional' charge for those that do pay.

For goodness sake make it part of the fare or a compulsory extra and find a 21st century way of managing any staff who perform badly.
Fair comment Merv.

I would make it part of the fair. It is then up to the customer whether they feel they are still getting value for money........or book with a different company!


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Had a letter this morning about our June cruise on Adonia to say the see ice reward programme will from 27 the March be £6 per day.

I always take the auto gratuity off and then give out the envelopes at the end of the cruise. I always leave the recommended amount. I would prefer if it was all included in the overall cost of the cruise.

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I don't think including the tips in the fare will happen until it happens right across the board - ie all the Cruise Companies. I can see that if P&O did it then their cruises would seem to be more expensive than another cruise line which doesn't include tips, not a good selling point.


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anyone know exactly how much the cabin steward and dining staff actually receive from the £6pp tip ?

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The party line from P&O is that "all the money paid in tips goes to the people who serve you" but, so far as I am aware, there is no breakdown as to who receives what. That information should properly be between employer and employee.


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If it was published it would help people make an informed decision on Auto tip or the old envelope job. Recent cruise on Ventura the daily Ques to have them removed was to me quite staggering, on Azura 28th May I dare say it will be the same.

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I know - it would be really interesting to learn the percentage of people who remove the auto tips and I'll wager that a massive proportion of those tip nothing at all, or far less than the "recommended" amount. As I mentioned earlier, those of us who do tip are subsidising these wasters! I'm even more certain now that auto-tipping should be made compulsory - and probably £3.00 pp per day would bring in the same (or more in some cases) as they are currently receiving !!


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I usually leave more in my little envelopes than the recommended amount.
As a regular cruiser I couldn't in all conscience tip less. I might have the same steward or waiters again.

I actually knew someone who didn't tip the required amount and later in the year same ship and same steward !! How embarrassing would that be.
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As I said earlier, we are quids in with this scheme as I used to tip quite a bit over the current rate.
Just leave it on a forget it is my advice.
I can't really see what all the fuss is about.
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Whynd1 wrote: 19 May 2017, 12:25
I usually leave more in my little envelopes than the recommended amount.
As a regular cruiser I couldn't in all conscience tip less. I might have the same steward or waiters again.

I actually knew someone who didn't tip the required amount and later in the year same ship and same steward !! How embarrassing would that be.
Lindsey
I suspect, Lindsey, that most of the people who tip little or nothing would not be embarrassed at all. Absolutely no shame !!

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barney wrote: 19 May 2017, 12:37
As I said earlier, we are quids in with this scheme as I used to tip quite a bit over the current rate.
Just leave it on a forget it is my advice.
I can't really see what all the fuss is about.
I think the fuss Barney is as Cubie has set out. Because some remove the tips (often because they're tight rather than bad service) the rest of us are paying more.

I recall this was introduced because fewer and fewer people were tipping the suggested amount.

All the time the tips can be removed that will continue and as it does so they will get bigger and bigger and more and more people will remove them.

In the end one bloke will be paying £10,000 a day!

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Couldn't have put it better me-self !

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Well now we've sadly lost Shiney someone has to agree with me. And there aren't many options, though I am trying to win Jack round.
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How long do you have left ?

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About three feet. My other three feet is right.

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Sorry, I don't do philosophy

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The other one's both the same

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Fair play Descartes

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I know from a totally reliable source what happens in many restaurants to the meals of habitual non tippers but I have no idea if the ' practice ' is extended to P&O passengers ... :sick:
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Could be difficult for them to do much because whilst they know who has removed the auto-tips, they don;t know until the last minute who is and who isn't going to thrust an envelope into their hot little hand !

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They know your name(s) so they will simply keep the details and wait until your next cruise ... :thumbup:
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Manoverboard wrote: 19 May 2017, 16:49
They know your name(s) so they will simply keep the details and wait until your next cruise ... :thumbup:
Or pass it on to their brother's first cousin's second nephew's grandson who will be your waiter on the next cruise :thumbup:

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david63 wrote: 19 May 2017, 17:32
Manoverboard wrote: 19 May 2017, 16:49
They know your name(s) so they will simply keep the details and wait until your next cruise ... :thumbup:
Or pass it on to their brother's first cousin's second nephew's grandson who will be your waiter on the next cruise :thumbup:
Exactly ... after all what else have they got to do.

ps ... I think that your response was a tad sexist, not a sister nor a niece in sight ... just saying

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