Could Corona-virus be disastrous for the cruise industry
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Princess have cancelled all cruises for 2 months
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11158495/ ... ronavirus/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11158495/ ... ronavirus/
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Princess suspended operations for 60 days.
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A thought strikes me. What's happening with the P&O and Cunard ships currently on world cruises for a few more weeks? As more ports ban cruise ships will they end up with endless sea days maybe only interrupted by brief stops to refuel and restock with no one allowed off? Or will they abandon the voyages and fly passengers home?
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Arcadia will stop at Columbo and Dubai for refuelling and re-stocking but passengers will not be allowed to go ashore. After Suez she is due to call at Malta and Gibraltar, but both have banned cruise stops, so possibly 5 weeks without a stop.Mervyn and Trish wrote: ↑12 Mar 2020, 17:14A thought strikes me. What's happening with the P&O and Cunard ships currently on world cruises for a few more weeks? As more ports ban cruise ships will they end up with endless sea days maybe only interrupted by brief stops to refuel and restock with no one allowed off? Or will they abandon the voyages and fly passengers home?
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Someone posted that from the ship 32 days at sea.
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Looks like Aurora's Northern Lights cruise currently heading to Norway is going to be badly affected by the Norwegian ban on cruise ships as all their ports for this cruise are not allowing cruise ships in. Captain will give them an update as soon as something can be sorted for this problem. We must be getting to the stage where PO shortly pull their ships from European ports until further notice.
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Back to the question. The truth is that at this stage we cant tell what will happen. Looking at the Flybe situation they were clearly vulnerable before covid19. Much of their apparent assets were actually leased, which is a probably a fixed cost which has to be serviced by revenue. Reduce revenue and the break even point may never be reached. With cruise lines, the price/earnings ratio is normally a good indication of the health of a company, but the level of leveraged capital is another factor. Ships are very expensive to operate; variable costs, and highly capital intensive; fixed costs., and yet revenue is very dependent on market perceptions. People will have seen the adverse publicity regarding covid19 outbreaks and quarantines, and many will review their options. The result will probably be reduced cruise revenues. If that reduction is significant it will be the financial health of the company which dictates how long they can survive, but cost reductions will be necessary. By cost, I mean operating cost, not price to the customer. If this outbreak goes on for long, and if the media dont stop hyping it all up (Daily Mail on line), there are going to be company casualties.
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Hi Frank, l can't argue with your predictions of how the cruise industry will fair over the coming weeks but l seriously think you are misguided in your interpretation of hyping things up....at this stage the more that people take on the seriousness of the situation the better chance we have of beating this potential mass killer.
I haven't read what the "Mail" has writen but it may not be far from the truth in the coming weeks.
Stay healthy my friend
I haven't read what the "Mail" has writen but it may not be far from the truth in the coming weeks.
Stay healthy my friend
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I don't think there is any hype. This is the most serious health issue to hit the country in decades. Not sure why you highlight the Mail. All the media are telling the same story.
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Following on from Boris's "instruction" or perhaps I should say "advice" to 70 year + old people to avoid going on a cruise I have now received a message from P&O as I am in this category and have a cruise in May. They will be getting back to me - bit of a no brainer really - I will cancel but will give those people who are cruising shortly a chance to sort themselves out first. In fact I may get my TA to sort it out for me.
I think Frank is right although I am not put off cruising just want to feel safe and certainly don't fancy being confined to my cabin. I experienced a bout of norovirus a couple of years ago in the Caribbean and had to stay in the cabin but I had a balcony so it wasn't too bad - my May cruise was an inside
Let's all take care of ourselves and family - silly to take unnecessary risks
I think Frank is right although I am not put off cruising just want to feel safe and certainly don't fancy being confined to my cabin. I experienced a bout of norovirus a couple of years ago in the Caribbean and had to stay in the cabin but I had a balcony so it wasn't too bad - my May cruise was an inside
Let's all take care of ourselves and family - silly to take unnecessary risks
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Spain has now banned cruise ships
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Well I didn't count, but there must have been 10 articles with the word coronavirus in the title mate, and even a proportion of their on line commentators are accusing them of sensationalising the issue. In contrast the Times and Guardian have been far more circumspect. The media love " a story" they can run with. This is a feeding frenzy for the wail.Onelife wrote: ↑12 Mar 2020, 20:15Hi Frank, l can't argue with your predictions of how the cruise industry will fair over the coming weeks but l seriously think you are misguided in your interpretation of hyping things up....at this stage the more that people take on the seriousness of the situation the better chance we have of beating this potential mass killer.
I haven't read what the "Mail" has writen but it may not be far from the truth in the coming weeks.
Stay healthy my friend
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Blimey.
Well that’s La Coruna and Vigo off my itinerary. And I assume the Canary Islands. Madeira is closed. I think that leaves just Cape Verde ( can’t see them being keen), so just leaves Lisbon.
Fred Olsen have relaxed their transfer policy a little, regarding the announcement about the over 70s, but very little flexibility for us, as we are in our 60’s and relatively healthy. I’m holding my nerve for a cancellation and refund.
Apparently, Ventura was refused at Ponta Delgarda, even though she’s healthy, and all the ports on Aurora’s northern lights cruise are closed.
COVID19 striken Braemar was heading the the Bahamas, but their government has refused them permission to disembark. I think their only option will be to get supplies and return to the uk.
It’s a meltdown
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Well Norway have banned cruise ship passengers going on land in Bergen and stavenger not good hope clears before we go in late june
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Sorry for the length and the way l've posted this but l think you will find it interesting?
From a young researcher who had been transferred from Shenzhen to Wuhan to collaborate with the task force that is fighting the coronavirus epidemic, we receive and willingly transmit to all of this clear, simple and accessible information, which describe exactly what it is. the virus, how it transfers from one person to another and how it can be neutralized in everyday life.
Corona virus infection does not cause a cold with a dripping nose or catarrhal cough, but a dry and dry cough: this is the easiest thing to know.
The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees: therefore often consume hot drinks such as tea, herbal tea and broth during the day, or simply hot water: hot liquids neutralize the virus and it is not difficult to drink them. Avoid drinking ice water or eating ice cubes or snow for those in the mountains (children)!
For those who can do it, expose yourself to the sun!
1. The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers), therefore any type of mask can stop it: in normal life, special masks are not needed.
On the other hand, the situation is different for doctors and health professionals who are exposed to heavy virus loads and have to use special equipment.
If an infected person sneezes in front of you, three meters away they will drop the virus on the ground and prevent it from landing on you.
2. When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.
3. The virus can live nested in clothes and fabrics for about 6/12 hours: normal detergents can kill it. For clothes that cannot be washed every day, if you can expose them to the sun and the virus will die.
How it manifests itself:
1. The virus first installs itself in the throat, causing inflammation and a dry throat sensation: this symptom can last for 3/4 days.
2. the virus travels through the humidity present in the airways, descends into the trachea and installs in the lung, causing pneumonia. This step takes about 5/6 days.
3. Pneumonia occurs with high fever and difficulty breathing, it is not accompanied by the classic cold. But you may have the feeling of drowning. In this case, contact your doctor immediately.
How can you avoid it:
1. Virus transmission occurs mostly by direct contact, touching tissues or materials on which the virus is present: washing hands frequently is essential.
The virus only survives on your hands for about ten minutes, but in ten minutes many things can happen: rub your eyes or scratch your nose for example, and allow the virus to enter your throat ...
So, for your own good and for the good of others, wash your hands very often and disinfect them!
2. You can gargle with a disinfectant solution that eliminates or minimizes the amount of virus that could enter your throat: in doing so, you eliminate it before it goes down into the trachea and then into the lungs.
3. disinfect the PC keyboard and mobile phones
The new coronavirus NCP * may not show signs of infection for many days, * before which it cannot be known if a person is infected. But by the time you have a fever and / or cough and go to the hospital, your lungs are usually already in 50% fibrosis and it's too late!
Taiwanese experts suggest doing a simple check that we can do on our own every morning:
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you successfully complete it without coughing, without discomfort, a sense of oppression, etc., this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating essentially no infection.
In such critical times, do this check every morning in a clean air environment!
These are serious and excellent advice from Japanese doctors who treat COVID-19 cases. Everyone should make sure that their mouth and throat are moist, never DRY. Drink a few sips of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth ... water or other liquids will sweep it away through the esophagus and into the stomach. Once in the belly ... Gastric acid in the stomach will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly ... the virus can get into your trumpets and lungs
From a young researcher who had been transferred from Shenzhen to Wuhan to collaborate with the task force that is fighting the coronavirus epidemic, we receive and willingly transmit to all of this clear, simple and accessible information, which describe exactly what it is. the virus, how it transfers from one person to another and how it can be neutralized in everyday life.
Corona virus infection does not cause a cold with a dripping nose or catarrhal cough, but a dry and dry cough: this is the easiest thing to know.
The virus does not resist heat and dies if exposed to temperatures of 26-27 degrees: therefore often consume hot drinks such as tea, herbal tea and broth during the day, or simply hot water: hot liquids neutralize the virus and it is not difficult to drink them. Avoid drinking ice water or eating ice cubes or snow for those in the mountains (children)!
For those who can do it, expose yourself to the sun!
1. The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers), therefore any type of mask can stop it: in normal life, special masks are not needed.
On the other hand, the situation is different for doctors and health professionals who are exposed to heavy virus loads and have to use special equipment.
If an infected person sneezes in front of you, three meters away they will drop the virus on the ground and prevent it from landing on you.
2. When the virus is found on metal surfaces, it survives for about 12 hours. So when you touch metal surfaces such as handles, doors, appliances, supports on trams, etc., wash your hands well and disinfect them carefully.
3. The virus can live nested in clothes and fabrics for about 6/12 hours: normal detergents can kill it. For clothes that cannot be washed every day, if you can expose them to the sun and the virus will die.
How it manifests itself:
1. The virus first installs itself in the throat, causing inflammation and a dry throat sensation: this symptom can last for 3/4 days.
2. the virus travels through the humidity present in the airways, descends into the trachea and installs in the lung, causing pneumonia. This step takes about 5/6 days.
3. Pneumonia occurs with high fever and difficulty breathing, it is not accompanied by the classic cold. But you may have the feeling of drowning. In this case, contact your doctor immediately.
How can you avoid it:
1. Virus transmission occurs mostly by direct contact, touching tissues or materials on which the virus is present: washing hands frequently is essential.
The virus only survives on your hands for about ten minutes, but in ten minutes many things can happen: rub your eyes or scratch your nose for example, and allow the virus to enter your throat ...
So, for your own good and for the good of others, wash your hands very often and disinfect them!
2. You can gargle with a disinfectant solution that eliminates or minimizes the amount of virus that could enter your throat: in doing so, you eliminate it before it goes down into the trachea and then into the lungs.
3. disinfect the PC keyboard and mobile phones
The new coronavirus NCP * may not show signs of infection for many days, * before which it cannot be known if a person is infected. But by the time you have a fever and / or cough and go to the hospital, your lungs are usually already in 50% fibrosis and it's too late!
Taiwanese experts suggest doing a simple check that we can do on our own every morning:
Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you successfully complete it without coughing, without discomfort, a sense of oppression, etc., this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating essentially no infection.
In such critical times, do this check every morning in a clean air environment!
These are serious and excellent advice from Japanese doctors who treat COVID-19 cases. Everyone should make sure that their mouth and throat are moist, never DRY. Drink a few sips of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even if the virus gets into your mouth ... water or other liquids will sweep it away through the esophagus and into the stomach. Once in the belly ... Gastric acid in the stomach will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly ... the virus can get into your trumpets and lungs
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Sounds like that's the end of our May cruise as Spain and Italy were the main ports
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Sadly OL that is circulating widely on the internet and according to health experts contains a lot of inaccurate information. I'm sticking with NHS advice.
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Hi Sir Merv. ....l said it was interesting, l didn't say you have to believe everything in it.....If it helps promote more awareness then l see no harm in the article.Mervyn and Trish wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 08:02Sadly OL that is circulating widely on the internet and according to health experts contains a lot of inaccurate information. I'm sticking with NHS advice.
Until such time there is a vaccine the only cure widely available is that you catch the virus.....and for a large proportion of the population this is what the government wants to happen as only then will the country build up a resistance......The government is just playing for time.
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Saga has cancelled all their cruises for the time being.
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It has also been reported that Oceana has been denied access to pots in Spain. They are waiting to see if they can go into Lisbon or sail home.
Isnt it time P and O suspended all sailings.
Isnt it time P and O suspended all sailings.
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Absolutely they should.....and if l had my way l would turn all cruise ships into floating isolation units.
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The question is how many will go to the wall with a prolonged stoppage. Then of course, unless demand plummets, prices will escalate from those lines that do survive.
PS Keefie, so far cruise ships don't have a good track record as isolation units.
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We've been hoping that Saga would cancel the cruises. We were due to go on 10 April and as we had our own annual insurance policy, didn't take Saga insurance. Had we been told that in order to be able to transfer to another cruise once we'd paid the balance - we booked late so paid in full on booking - we would have taken the Saga insurance as well. We've spent the last week trying to persuade Saga to transfer our booking but they were intransigent. As it turns out they have now cancelled our cruise and we can now transfer our booking to another cruise and also receive an additional 25% transferred to that booking. Or we can accept a voucher for that amount to be used within 24 months. If we can't use the voucher then we get the original amount refunded to us but not the additional 25%. This seems very fair so we will look to book with them at some point, probably for next year.
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My worry is that if people follow advice such as the bit about drinking water every 15 minutes to protect themselves, which is apparently complete bunkum, they'll have a false sense of security and may neglect other more important things. Of course there is nothing wrong with drinking water. But it is no substitute for proper advice.Onelife wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 09:54Hi Sir Merv. ....l said it was interesting, l didn't say you have to believe everything in it.....If it helps promote more awareness then l see no harm in the article.Mervyn and Trish wrote: ↑13 Mar 2020, 08:02Sadly OL that is circulating widely on the internet and according to health experts contains a lot of inaccurate information. I'm sticking with NHS advice.
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If we have to sing "Happy Birthday" when washing our hands does that mean the Americans have to sing "Nelly The Elephant"!