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has anyone heard any whispers about which ships carnival are looking to dispose of

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I've heard of one or two in the Carnival fleet itself and one of Costa's. Not heard any mention yet of P&O. But if any go it'll be the older/smaller ones at risk.

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Yes I think that's the one I saw.

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Of the ' White Sisters ' the old Adonia has long gone therefore Oceana will be next ... is my guess.
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Manoverboard wrote:
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Of the ' White Sisters ' the old Adonia has long gone therefore Oceana will be next ... is my guess.
That would be a shame, there is something about Oceana that makes it more friendly

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It's probably that or Aurora and I'd much prefer to keep the latter.

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Kendhni wrote:
30 Jun 2020, 16:42
Manoverboard wrote:
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Of the ' White Sisters ' the old Adonia has long gone therefore Oceana will be next ... is my guess.
That would be a shame, there is something about Oceana that makes it more friendly
I agree. We also really enjoyed being on them, both of them, and have many happy memories but are they past their sell buy date carbon free / efficiency wise.

We may not be cruising these days but I do hope that P&O continue with their Med based round robin type Cruises a la Ocean Village in the beautiful Greek Islands.
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Of the ' White Sisters ' the old Adonia has long gone therefore Oceana will be next ... is my guess.
Adonia or Sea Princess is still part of the Princess fleet and operating mainly in Australia and the S Pacific, and Oceana is the youngest of the 4 Sun class ships.
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Manoverboard wrote:
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Of the ' White Sisters ' the old Adonia has long gone therefore Oceana will be next ... is my guess.
Adonia or Sea Princess is still part of the Princess fleet and operating mainly in Australia and the S Pacific, and Oceana is the youngest of the 4 Sun class ships.
The old Adonia and Oceana were, I have long believed, built at the same time and were re-united in Madeira for the one and only time ... we were on Adonia at that historical moment.

Perhaps Oceana will be going to Australia as well but in this climate she ( or a n other ) will be sold on, imo.
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It’s a shame when some of the older ships move on to their new resting places as they hold so many memories for so many…I’m not so sure the new ships will every retains such memories?

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I’ve thought for a while that Oceana and Aurora will leave P&O by 2025 or thereabouts.

I’ve had some very memorable cruises on both ships. I did my Panama Canal transit and my 35 night USA and Caribbean cruise on Oceana and did my first cruise on Aurora and two legs of a world cruise in 2017 and the USA and Canada cruise in 2018.

I’m not quite so bothered about Oceana going, but always imagined that I’d have at least one more cruise on Aurora before she left. In the current climate, I can’t help wondering if she’ll go before I get a chance to sail on her again.
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I think Oceana will go followed by Aurora. I like Aurora and was supposed to be sailing on her last April.

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I think Oceana will go followed by Aurora. I like Aurora and was supposed to be sailing on her last April.
That would be logical in build order. 1999 versus 2000. The sad thing is in the current climate any that do go are unlikely to find buyers and more likely be scrapped.


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Kendhni wrote:
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That would be a shame, there is something about Oceana that makes it more friendly
Ditto, Oceana is my favourite P&O ship; no idea why - there's just something about her.

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Eventually all the ships smaller than Azura will be fazed out.
The larger, greener ships will take over.
Shame because we personally love the smaller ships but the writing is on the wall.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
30 Jun 2020, 17:51
The sad thing is in the current climate any that do go are unlikely to find buyers
Not sure about that - China is the expanding cruise market and seems to be where Carnival are "redeploying" their old ships.

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I guess that depends how many hit the market at the same time. Are you going to start a story that the Chinese man made CV so they could get a few cheap ships?

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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Are you going to start a story that the Chinese man made CV so they could get a few cheap ships?
That's a good one - never thought of that :thumbup:


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If P&O did sell Aurora they would be getting rid of one of their smaller ships that is Adult Only, which would only leave Arcadia as Adult Only. I can't see one of the larger ships becoming Adult Only, what does everyone else think? Are Adult Only ships still important in their business calculations? Maybe not I don't know.

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I think they will remain important for as long as this generation of Golden Oldies can continue to cruise. Thereafter it is likely to go the way of an all inclusive Disney Fun Park to secure bums on seats and plenty of paying passengers.
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I think what is probably more to the point is that we do not know what the impact of Covid-19 will be on the cruise industry so adult only in the short term is anyone's guess but long term they will be a thing of the past

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If things had been normal, I would have imagined that Aurora, Oceana and Arcadia would have left the fleet by the mid 20's

Ships like Azura and Ventura would be regarded as mid sized ships by then, so I imagined that Azura might have become adult only.

I think adult only is a selling point, but if you cruise out of the main season, most sailings are virtually adult only, with only a handful of children.

Up until now, the older generation has been a core market, and I think they would have still catered for that market, but evolving for the requirements of the new older generation as they mature into their 60s and 70s.

But now, who knows, It's difficult for them to plan for a few months ahead, let alone a few years.
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If things had been normal, I would have imagined that Aurora, Oceana and Arcadia would have left the fleet by the mid 20's

Ships like Azura and Ventura would be regarded as mid sized ships by then, so I imagined that Azura might have become adult only.

I think adult only is a selling point, but if you cruise out of the main season, most sailings are virtually adult only, with only a handful of children.

Up until now, the older generation has been a core market, and I think they would have still catered for that market, but evolving for the requirements of the new older generation as they mature into their 60s and 70s.

But now, who knows, It's difficult for them to plan for a few months ahead, let alone a few years.
Yes with you on that. We have cruised adult only but it is not a specific choice for us. We normally go out of school hols too and as you say the children are virtually invisible.

Since our trip with Saga on Discovery earlier this year they now register on the radar, and of course they only allow children over 40, and that is if they're with another child over 50!

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If things had been normal, I would have imagined that Aurora, Oceana and Arcadia would have left the fleet by the mid 20's

Ships like Azura and Ventura would be regarded as mid sized ships by then, so I imagined that Azura might have become adult only.

I think adult only is a selling point, but if you cruise out of the main season, most sailings are virtually adult only, with only a handful of children.

Up until now, the older generation has been a core market, and I think they would have still catered for that market, but evolving for the requirements of the new older generation as they mature into their 60s and 70s.

But now, who knows, It's difficult for them to plan for a few months ahead, let alone a few years.
I have to agree with you Gill about out of season sailings, we did Aurrora last April and the age profile was possibly younger than our Ventura roundtrip Caribbean cruise in January.
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towny44 wrote:
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Gill W wrote:
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If things had been normal, I would have imagined that Aurora, Oceana and Arcadia would have left the fleet by the mid 20's

Ships like Azura and Ventura would be regarded as mid sized ships by then, so I imagined that Azura might have become adult only.

I think adult only is a selling point, but if you cruise out of the main season, most sailings are virtually adult only, with only a handful of children.

Up until now, the older generation has been a core market, and I think they would have still catered for that market, but evolving for the requirements of the new older generation as they mature into their 60s and 70s.

But now, who knows, It's difficult for them to plan for a few months ahead, let alone a few years.
I have to agree with you Gill about out of season sailings, we did Aurrora last April and the age profile was possibly younger than our Ventura roundtrip Caribbean cruise in January.
Yes that's true too. Probably not too many younger people can afford the time off work to do 28 or 35 nights.

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I’ve seen quite a lot of comments from various sources in the last couple of days saying that Oceana is to leave the P&O fleet.

Oceana was to be at Port of Tyne until mid September, but she has returned to Southampton, fuelling speculation that she is going to be ‘stripped’ before leaving P&O.
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... Oceana was to be at Port of Tyne until mid September, but she has returned to Southampton, fuelling speculation that she is going to be ‘stripped’ before leaving P&O.
That suggests Oceana will be scrapped, is that what the jungle drums are saying ?
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So ... it also seems Oceana will be ' sold on ', which, as with the sale of anything from a B&B to a large Caravan Park would include all the fixtures, fittings and everything that was used to operate that business by the previous owner .... better that than carting it off to their local landfill site.
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I was never a fan of Oceana anyway.

I wonder which others in the group are for the chop.

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It would sound logical.

Once cruising restarts there will certainly be excess capacity for a while and with Iona coming into the fleet there will be even more so Oceana going would make sense.

My guess is that she will be going to join Oriana at Carnival China

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It’s official - P&O have tweeted that Oceana will leave the fleet this month.

It doesn’t say where she’s going, but most people seem to think she’s being sold on.

This is sad news, but it was going to happen sooner or later. The current situation has probably made it happen sooner.

Although Oceana was not my favourite ship, I always enjoyed my cruises on her, including going through the Panama Canal for my 50th birthday, and the 35 night USA and Caribbean cruise in 2016. I always liked the atrium and loved Cafe Jardin for a casual and relaxed breakfast and lunch. We went there a lot on the 2016 cruise.
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Losing Oceana would be a big shame. We shall never sail on Britannia or Iona so that only leaves Arcadia and Aurora for us. Aurora has never been the same since they got rid of the wooden relaxer chairs on the promenade deck.

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I do wonder how long before we are all longing for that bygone era of smaller ships? Yes, they are still available but as with most things that are becoming increasingly rare, they come with a hefty booking fee.

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Gill W wrote:
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It doesn’t say where she’s going, but most people seem to think she’s being sold on.
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My guess is that she will be going to join Oriana at Carnival China

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Oceana was our least favourite ship. The cabins felt smaller and she didn't have a bar overlooking the bow or the stern, always our favourites on the other ships. In age she was the obvious target. A shame though for those who loved her and puts one of our favourites, Aurora, next in the firing line. Unlike QBob, for us there is more to Aurora than a few chairs!

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Yes, Aurora is a favourite of ours as well.


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Oceana was our least favourite ship. The cabins felt smaller and she didn't have a bar overlooking the bow or the stern, always our favourites on the other ships. In age she was the obvious target. A shame though for those who loved her and puts one of our favourites, Aurora, next in the firing line. Unlike QBob, for us there is more to Aurora than a few chairs!
The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Oceana was our least favourite ship. The cabins felt smaller and she didn't have a bar overlooking the bow or the stern, always our favourites on the other ships. In age she was the obvious target. A shame though for those who loved her and puts one of our favourites, Aurora, next in the firing line. Unlike QBob, for us there is more to Aurora than a few chairs!
The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.
Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Oceana was our least favourite ship. The cabins felt smaller and she didn't have a bar overlooking the bow or the stern, always our favourites on the other ships. In age she was the obvious target. A shame though for those who loved her and puts one of our favourites, Aurora, next in the firing line. Unlike QBob, for us there is more to Aurora than a few chairs!
The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.
Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.
I always found myself getting a bit queasy in both of them venues…even on calm sea days...and no, it wasn't the drink ;) :)
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Onelife wrote:
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The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.
Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.
I always found myself getting a bit queasy in both of them venues…even on calm sea days...and no, it wasn't the drink ;) :)
We're fine most of the time, but yes not ideal on choppy days. High up and far forward or aft.

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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Quizzical Bob wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 16:06
Mervyn and Trish wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 11:11
Oceana was our least favourite ship. The cabins felt smaller and she didn't have a bar overlooking the bow or the stern, always our favourites on the other ships. In age she was the obvious target. A shame though for those who loved her and puts one of our favourites, Aurora, next in the firing line. Unlike QBob, for us there is more to Aurora than a few chairs!
The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.
Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.
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Quizzical Bob wrote:
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Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Quizzical Bob wrote:
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The Promenade Deck is vital for us. Nothing else matters. We don’t ‘do’ bars or pubs but sitting outside in the evening with a drink or two can be quite pleasant.

Oceana has a forward-facing bar up to in front of the ‘funnek’.
Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.
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Jan Rosser wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 17:50
Quizzical Bob wrote:
07 Jul 2020, 17:42
Mervyn and Trish wrote:
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Yes but we like to see the sea ahead, such as Crow's Nest, or behind such as Planet Bar.
Have you ever considered a career as a figurehead?
Well our Merv is already a pin-up boy (well plus lovely Trish of course) - P&O owe him big time for the use they've made of his photo ;)

Yes, I've heard it's gone down a storm in the pub bar....next to the dart board ;) :)


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Oceana will always have special memories for me, 6 cruises with Silver Shiney, and one more which was SS last cruise. For those that didn't know him, we scattered his ashes from the back of the promenade deck 2 years ago. I think.it was inevitable Oceana would be the next ship to go.


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well 0ceana was the very first cruise ship we went on and we also celebrated our 25 wedding anniversary on her as well as other cruises so very sad but it is p&o job to decide these things but it almost certainly means that after Arcadia next year it will be time for us to say thanks and good bye to p&o and to return to Fred Olsen smaller ships we already have one booked for next September , as my doctor keeps telling me only the stupid would go on on the larger ships with all those passengers with all the risks of catching diseases his view.

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poole boy wrote:
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it is p&o job to decide these things
More likely Carnival than P&O


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your probably right david63 but its still sad who ever


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david63 wrote:
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poole boy wrote:
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it is p&o job to decide these things
More likely Carnival than P&O
Perhaps they desperately need the money.

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