Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Taoiseach:

“If they want their planes to fly over our skies, they would need to take that into account. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You can’t take back your waters and then expect to take back other people’s sky.”

All sounds a bit Irish to me!
By the way does he know that very few planes leaving the UK go anywhere near Ireland, the route to the US goes over Scotland.

Depending on the jet stream, mostly yes. But he is just grandstanding, as the EU and US won't recognise our planes or pilots, they would not be flying anyway.

[towny44]

Taoiseach:

“If they want their planes to fly over our skies, they would need to take that into account. You can’t have your cake and eat it. You can’t take back your waters and then expect to take back other people’s sky.”

All sounds a bit Irish to me!
By the way does he know that very few planes leaving the UK go anywhere near Ireland, the route to the US goes over Scotland.

Depending on the jet stream, mostly yes. But he is just grandstanding, as the EU and US won't recognise our planes or pilots, they would not be flying anyway.

Where do you come up with these sort of comments Jack, do you really think that a no trade deal Brexit would result in all flights out of the UK ending?

[johnds]

It's the same reason Japan will not offer us the same deal as the EU.

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

Jack you have "forgotten" to give us the reason for this

[Jack Staff]

Where do you come up with these sort of comments Jack, do you really think that a no trade deal Brexit would result in all flights out of the UK ending?

All our planes, pilots, maintenance, fuel specs, safety regs. are regulated by the EU. This is recognised by the US and vice versa. A no deal means we have to set up an authority to cover the above that then has to be recognised by the US/EU and everyone else, or our planes don't fly.

As the scope of this authority will depend on the type of Brexit, I doubt preparations have got very far. I hope you will be able to give us more positive information.

I do know that Easyjet has moved it's maintenance base to Malta and I think IAG (British Airways) has moved it's base to Barcelona. Other airlines will hopefully have made their own arrangements.

So planes will fly. They just won't be British. That is, if we let these 'foreign' planes land at our airports.

[Jack Staff]

It's the same reason Japan will not offer us the same deal as the EU.

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

Jack you have "forgotten" to give us the reason for this

http://uk.businessinsider.com/japan-bre ... ain-2016-9

[johnds]

It's the same reason Japan will not offer us the same deal as the EU.

"Look at what you could have won" - Jim Bowen

Jack you have "forgotten" to give us the reason for this

http://uk.businessinsider.com/japan-bre ... ain-2016-9

So it's a two years old article that you read somewhere
Do you have any original thought or do you just trawl the internet and believe all you read

[Jack Staff]

So it's a two years old article that you read somewhere
Do you have any original thought or do you just trawl the internet and believe all you read

It is a major milestone in Brexit. The Japanese are not the kind of people to restate their case.
The letter was widely reported, I am surprised you do not remember.

[Stephen]

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[Manoverboard]

I know I should move it to ' Mornin' All ' but I'm not going to

[oldbluefox]

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/busi ... 52501.html
Call me Dave never mentioned this before the referendum.

[Gill W]

I don't usually post in this thread, but here goes anyway.

Firstly, I'm quite surprised that nobody has seems to have commented about Vote Leave being fined and reported to the police after the Electoral Commission found that Vote Leave broke electoral law by overspending.

Secondly, and this is my main reason for posting today, is that I'm getting increasingly concerned abut how this is going. I was pessimistic to start with, but I have to say, the current situation seems worse than I imagined. We've got 9 months to go (well 6 really as they are all going on holiday and then it's the conference season) and we've barely got a policy on how to proceed which the government agrees on, let alone trying to get the 27 member countries to agree on.

It's looking like we could actually crash out without a deal. I thought a responsible government wouldn't let this happen... but as this lot couldn't negotiate themselves out of a paper bag, let alone a complex organisation that we've belonged to for more than 40 yrs, I really think it could happen.

The EU is issuing guidelines to its member states on how to deal with the disruption that a no deal Brexit would cause, and the UK government is preparing guidelines for businesses and households instructing us how to prepare for a no deal withdrawal. This isn't Project Fear stuff - this is actually happening.

I know Remainers like me are very uneasy about what lies ahead. I don't really detect any anxiety or concern on this thread (apart from Jack). Are you all still convinced it's all going to be fine? Or are you worried about it going really pear shaped?

[oldbluefox]

Personally I think it's a game of brinkmanship on both sides. Neither side will gain from a no deal but it depends on who blinks first. The solution will have to come from compromise.

[Manoverboard]

Hiya Gill,

There were indeed postings regarding the fine imposed, approx £60,00 I recall, but it was deemed peanuts as compared to the £9,000,000 wasted by the Remainer side on leaflets … in a nutshell.

My interpretation of comments made overall is that there are still forces out there attempting to coerce the UK to remain handcuffed to the EU and it's failing institutions. Those of us who wanted to leave on day 1 still want to leave and remain absolutely optimistic that we will flourish in the longer term albeit it may be a tad rocky initially, in part due to the lack of co-operation by the various factions.

It is hard to say why we are in the position we are but it must be true to say that representation of all citizens of the UK should be represented by the Government and not just the 17+ million who wished to leave.

ps …. watch out for Jack and his quirky non conciliatory views

[barney]

"It's looking like we could actually crash out without a deal. I thought a responsible government wouldn't let this happen... but as this lot couldn't negotiate themselves out of a paper bag, let alone a complex organisation that we've belonged to for more than 40 yrs, I really think it could happen."

I totally agree with your views of this government Gill. I think that you are being too kind.
But, it takes two to tango and so far, all the EU side have done is rejected every proposal that has been put forward.
I'm not saying it is their fault because it's not. They are simply defending their 'four freedoms' (ironic)
Barnier, on behalf of the EU has pretty well already rejected UK's latest compromise.

If the UK departs on WTO terms (there is no such thing as no deal) then both sides will have been equally culpable.

Whatever happens, the Armageddon scenario is a long way from the actual facts.
Try and book a holiday in Spain after March 2019. They will happily take your deposit which tells me that all this no flying business from Project Fear is rubbish.

I read today that the jam on the M20 would stretch back to the M25 ???
As you know, contingency is already in place in Kent with the lower end of the M20 being used with Manston as back up.
The M20 operating a contra flow after junction 9 - Ashford.
I expect Calais and Zebrugge are doing the same.

You have every right to be concerned because as usual, Kent will bear the brunt of it all.
But I don't see that end of the world as we know it, as many doom mongers are predicting.

[Jack Staff]

Personally I think it's a game of brinkmanship on both sides. Neither side will gain from a no deal but it depends on who blinks first. The solution will have to come from compromise.

They are not going to blink. Why would they? It is us pointing the gun at our head.

[Jack Staff]

Hiya Gill,

There were indeed postings regarding the fine imposed, approx £60,00 I recall, but it was deemed peanuts as compared to the £9,000,000 wasted by the Remainer side on leaflets … in a nutshell.

My interpretation of comments made overall is that there are still forces out there attempting to coerce the UK to remain handcuffed to the EU and it's failing institutions. Those of us who wanted to leave on day 1 still want to leave and remain absolutely optimistic that we will flourish in the longer term albeit it may be a tad rocky initially, in part due to the lack of co-operation by the various factions.

It is hard to say why we are in the position we are but it must be true to say that representation of all citizens of the UK should be represented by the Government and not just the 17+ million who wished to leave.

ps …. watch out for Jack and his quirky non conciliatory views

Leave cheated. They broke the law.

The remain leaflets were legal, whether you think that was right or not.
"tad rocky initially"
"non conciliatory views"? I must try harder!

[Jack Staff]

Barney, we are not even in the WTO.
We are only represented there via our EU membership.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Barney, we are not even in the WTO.
We are only represented there via our EU membership.

"The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995 "

Source: WTO website.

[Jack Staff]

Barney, we are not even in the WTO.
We are only represented there via our EU membership.

"The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995 "

Source: WTO website.

Yes, I see that. I might be wrong on this one then.
Here's an example of why I think that.
"The UK is already a WTO member, but its membership terms are bundled with the EU’s."
https://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-s ... ost-brexit

[barney]

The UK is not a third world backwater Jack. You've got to try and get your head around that.

[oldbluefox]

And the last thing the EU wants is a no deal Brexit. But we will see.

[towny44]

The EU keeps telling us we have to abide by their 4 freedoms if we wish to trade with them, however the EU has trade agents with dozens of countries, according to Jack, few of these abide by these 4 freedoms, so why are we so different?

[Jack Staff]

The EU keeps telling us we have to abide by their 4 freedoms if we wish to trade with them, however the EU has trade agents with dozens of countries, according to Jack, few of these abide by these 4 freedoms, so why are we so different?

Because most of our infrastructure of the last forty years has been built with the EU.
It is not just planes.
It's medicine
Nuclear
Police
Space
Intelligence
JIT production lines
Qualifications of countless individuals
Our food supply
are just a few of the the things to be affected. Some of these we desperately want (need) to keep. That is why we are so different.

[Jack Staff]

And the last thing the EU wants is a no deal Brexit. But we will see.

The last thing you want is a brother shooting themselves.

[barney]

What you fail to take into account is that we are the driver and leaders in much of the above mentioned. We are totally capable of doing all of this on our own. If the EU don't want to share intel then it's their loss. If they don't want to sell us agri products then we'll buy them elsewhere. Are you being intentionally thick or just provocative.