EU referendum - Stay or Leave?

[johnds]

I have seen a press release which says that the EU is to open new talks on the admission of Turkey on 30th June, just one week after the referendum. CMD kept that quiet, didn't he

[oldbluefox]

The result tomorrow will depend on how much the Remain party have managed to convince the British public. It is not about what they said but what they left unsaid which concerns me.
Over the past few weeks anyone thinking about voting Brexit has been called racist, deluded, xenophobic, Little Englander and anything else the far left and others could think of. I admire the way Boris, Gisela Stuart and Andrea Leadsom conducted themselves in the televised debates compared to the baying women on the opposite side. Some of the comments coming from their side were appallingly personal and to my ears sounded like desperation to get a point across. Hearing Stephen Kinnock using a tribute speech to Jo Cox to attack Nigel Farage was, in my opinion, in very bad taste.
My mind has been made up for a long time and nothing I have heard or seen has convinced me to change it. Come Friday morning we will all know the outcome.

[Quizzical Bob]

I have seen a press release which says that the EU is to open new talks on the admission of Turkey on 30th June, just one week after the referendum. CMD kept that quiet, didn't he

Just one more example of the piffle that gets repeated on here .

There is absolutely no chance that Turkey will be joining the EU. These talks are nothing more than 'we must have lunch sometime'.

I was going to post a summing up but of the overwhelming arguments for letting things stay as they are I'm just not going to bother. There is so much rubbish and tripe spouted by the Leavers that the only surprise is that anybody should believe any of it.

Why are there so many gullible people out there?

Unbelievable. We can only hope that the damage that has already been done to the economy is retrievable.

Bye y'all.

[Golden Princess]

Well, I have made up my mind. Thank you all for your input.
QB I agree with your post above.

But which ever way we go, from now on it will always be 'I told you so!'

[Not so ancient mariner]

Well, decision day has finally arrived. Whichever way the result goes, I sincerely hope it will be by a reasonable majority. I don't think I could cope with the accusations of 'fix', demands for a recount, 'we wuz robbed' and the general bickering that would almost inevitably follow an inconclusive result.

[johnds]

I have seen a press release which says that the EU is to open new talks on the admission of Turkey on 30th June, just one week after the referendum. CMD kept that quiet, didn't he

Just one more example of the piffle that gets repeated on here .

There is absolutely no chance that Turkey will be joining the EU. These talks are nothing more than 'we must have lunch sometime'.

I was going to post a summing up but of the overwhelming arguments for letting things stay as they are I'm just not going to bother. There is so much rubbish and tripe spouted by the Leavers that the only surprise is that anybody should believe any of it.

Why are there so many gullible people out there?

Unbelievable. We can only hope that the damage that has already been done to the economy is retrievable.

Bye y'all.

Well thank you QB
You have seen the agenda for the talks then and know all about them ?

You do however seem to have acquired one of the characteristics of the leaders of the Remain campaign which is that when you run out of arguments or patience you resort to hurling personal abuse.

I believe that nearly half of those voting in today's referendum will be those who you choose to describe as gullible. That means that sadly I believe your camp will "win", but gullible, Sir, I am not, principled I am.

[Silver_Shiney]

Well said John.

I can only hope that the losing side has the grace to accept the decision and shut up

[allatc]

The worst possible outcome is that Leave wins by a few votes or even a few thousand votes.

Even as an ardent "Leaver" I would find that difficult to try and enforce.

What we need is a decisive vote one way or the other

[Silver_Shiney]

Just one more example of the piffle that gets repeated on here .

There is absolutely no chance that Turkey will be joining the EU. These talks are nothing more than 'we must have lunch sometime'.

I was going to post a summing up but of the overwhelming arguments for letting things stay as they are I'm just not going to bother. There is so much rubbish and tripe spouted by the Leavers that the only surprise is that anybody should believe any of it.

Why are there so many gullible people out there?

Unbelievable. We can only hope that the damage that has already been done to the economy is retrievable.

Bye y'all.

QBob, although I made my mind up (as I said earlier) long before UKIP was even formed years ago, I do hope you realised that it's diatribes like yours that has hardened my opinion. Well done. As has been pointed out to you on at least one occasion, when you resort to insults, you have lost the argument and belittle yourself.

[qbman1]

Well said John.

I can only hope that the losing side has the grace to accept the decision and shut up

We're talking politicians here SS !!

[qbman1]

Well, the deed is done and my vote is cast. I do fine it rather bothersome because the decision made today will last for generations whereas in general and local elections, there is always the opportunity to reverse it after a few years. The problem is that, despite all the "facts" put forward in the arguments by both sides, no one really knows what the long-term implications will be either way. As I have said before, this essentially boils down to a vote from the heart which, in my humble opinion, is no way to decide the future of a country.

[oldbluefox]

On the basis of what happens today the whole lot could come crashing down as other countries wait to see what happens. It's a broken machine and despite what Cameron and Corbyn says we have tried negotiating and it hasn't worked. They are either naive or lieing to suggest we can change matters from within because we cannot.
I'll be off shortly to cast my vote.

[Frank Manning]

Me too. I'm off to vote REMAIN. I cant align myself with the rag tag and bob tail characters leading the Leave campaign, some of whom a so obviously closet racists.

[Stephen]

I'm in, but I'm out later...........to vote with Mrs S

[qbman1]

In, out....in, out - you'll be shaking it all about before you know it !

[Stephen]

Don't want to scare the little old ladies down at the voting hall.

[qbman1]

I reckon it will be a good turnout. I voted before 8 and there was already a bit of a queue in our village polling station. When I go at that time, even for a general election, I am usually the only one there !

[qbman1]

Reports of the latest poll putting Remain 10 points ahead. I really cannot believe it will be that clear cut either way

[oldbluefox]

Me too. I'm off to vote REMAIN. I cant align myself with the rag tag and bob tail characters leading the Leave campaign, some of whom a so obviously closet racists.

Oddly enough I feel exactly the same about the brow-beating Yvette Cooper, the cynically hypocritical Harriet Harman, 'I'm sitting on the fence' Jeremy Corbyn, David 'Dodge the Question' Cameron, Mrs 'I want to be united with you but not with the rest of the UK' Krankie, Gladys Pugh of Plaid Cymru and the rest of the howling mob which are the Remain group. I still fail to understand why wanting to control immigration into your own country is racist but if the Remain group say it is then it must be.
Whatever the result I can see this rumbling on.

[Silver_Shiney]

Me too. I'm off to vote REMAIN. I cant align myself with the rag tag and bob tail characters leading the Leave campaign, some of whom a so obviously closet racists.

Oddly enough I feel exactly the same about the brow-beating Yvette Cooper, the cynically hypocritical Harriet Harman, 'I'm sitting on the fence' Jeremy Corbyn, David 'Dodge the Question' Cameron, Mrs 'I want to be united with you but not with the rest of the UK' Krankie, Gladys Pugh of Plaid Cymru and the rest of the howling mob which are the Remain group. I still fail to understand why wanting to control immigration into your own country is racist but if the Remain group say it is then it must be.
Whatever the result I can see this rumbling on.

There have major failings in presentation of arguments on both sides, with Remain and Brexit giving a poor performance all round with disingenuous statements and scaremongering commonplace.

In spite of all the insults to the contrary, it is NOT racist to wish to control immigration. Other countries do it with a quota system, why can't we do the same?

[Silver_Shiney]

Reports of the latest poll putting Remain 10 points ahead. I really cannot believe it will be that clear cut either way

You will have noticed that our coverage of the EU referendum is limited today. That's because the BBC - like other broadcasters - is not allowed to report on the campaigning while the polls are open.

That's to ensure that the BBC's output cannot be seen as influencing the ballot while the polls are open

Where did you get that 10 points figure from, sir?

[qbman1]

It was on Twaddle and referred to an on-line poll

Here you go.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 97261.html

[Silver_Shiney]

Sorry, I thought it was based on exit polls!

[qbman1]

No - it's a load of rubbish really.

A couple of local journos have been conducting their own straw polls at the polling stations and they are generally coming out at about 3-2 in favour of Leave.

I fear it is all going to be so indecisive that the arguments will just run and run

[Silver_Shiney]

No - it's a load of rubbish really.

A couple of local journos have been conducting their own straw pollsat the polling stations and they are generally coming out at about 3-2 in favour of Leave.

I fear it is all going to be so indecisive that the arguments will just run and run

So what happened to "[journalists are] not allowed to report on the campaigning while the polls are open"??

I share your fears. I would be happy with a 10 point difference either way - wouldn't be happy if Remain win! - but that margin would be sufficient for a clear majority and I would accept that Brexit won't happen. I doubt if Mr Farage will see it that way though, and expect that, if we vote to stay in, he will continue to campaign. Sour grapes?