Windows 10

[Stephen]

Graham

If you go into your Money 95 / Tools / Settings / you should be able to set the date, language, currency etc to UK style.

[gfwgfw]

Graham

If you go into your Money 95 / Tools / Settings / you should be able to set the date, language, currency etc to UK style.

Dunnit

Now back on rural Darzet "speak"

Thanks

[oldbluefox]

Spent a lovely afternoon thinking I was downloading Windows 10. I clicked on the icon in the system tray and got a nice little wheel going round saying 'Working on it'. That b*****y wheel went round and round and nothing happened so fortunately I had my laptop and could consult Mr Google. Apparently lots of people had had the same problem. For some the wheel had been going round all night and was still going round the next morning so that made me feel a lot better.
Anyway the solution was to restart, go into Microsoft updates and load Windows 10 from there. Another recommendation was to load it from the All Programs list.

After all that excitement it loaded effortlessly and didn't take that long at all. I have found my Windows Live Mail with all my contacts on it and have set Firefox as my default browser, printer works. I now need to find my way around W10.

[oldbluefox]

Has anybody found the contacts list on Windows 10 mail or managed to import contacts. They have hidden it so well I can't find it. I suspect I will stick with Live Mail even though it's not perfect.

[gfwgfw]

Bleeden Heck

Back home on seven and happy

Ten ain't for us ole farts

Lubooo all

Graham

[Silver_Shiney]

You're not "ole", Graham

[Silver_Shiney]

Well, I have now bitten the bullet and installed W10 on my "new" desktop, which came with 8.1. I first copied all my files across from the Win 7 laptop and created a secondary login for the Lady C. Although the new account was created easily enough, it doesn't show on booting up, it goes straight into my login account. I also ran the compatibility checker to ensure that everything I have will run under the new OS - and got a "clean bill of health".

Windows 10 installed painlessly enough. The secondary login still doesn't show, although the account is there under User Accounts in Control Panel.

I thought I'd listen to some music while I worked on configuring/installing my applications. Clicked on "Music", only to be told that there is no music on the HDD - strange, as there are thousands of MP3 files there. I eventually found that Media Player is still available, hidden away in the depths, so managed to get that working, so that I can at least listen to music.

Next I turned my attention to Office - I use v2003, the last one with the menu bars before the ribbons abortion was released. Everything installed okay although some sort of error message flashed up regarding Outlook, which I didn't catch. Excel seems to run okay. Having had problems transferring my Outlook .pst files from one computer to another in the past, I felt it best to let the new installation create its own .pst and then import data from the old one. Outlook allowed me to enter my email account settings but then fell over. After running a repair session, it still fell over. Googling for a solution revealed that Outlook 2003 does not work on Windows 8 or later. So much for the clean bill of health given by the compatability checker... I have a great many emails archived in various Outlook Inbox folders but I can't even export these to a different format to then import into Mail. I don't know how to get them back onto the gmail server, as, once downloaded to Outlook, I've been deleting them from the gmail server.

I much prefer working with a desktop rather than a laptop, which is going to be relegated to the loft in the future for controlling my proposed model railway, and being taken on holiday to do a daily backup of the day's photos.

So far, I am singularly unimpressed with Windows 10. There's no mileage in uninstalling it from the desktop as this will restore me to Windows Crapware 8.1, which is an abomination. I'm now torn between installing XP (which won't let me take advantage of the 4Gb RAM) or switching to Ubuntu. XP, though, isn't suited to the new generation of IP addresses, so I'm told. Hopefully AVG would still protect it, but newer versions may not, and newer programs may not work with XP either. Of course, none of my Windows-based software would run under Ubuntu.

Haven't Microsoft heard of the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

[towny44]

Not 100% convinced that Win 10 is an improvement for me, it can be slower to start in a morning and it seems to trip over updates, does not always load them first time and they can take forever to complete. Of course it could be my laptop that is causing the problem, but its not always a problem and it can run smoothly for days, then has a problem starting correctly, I have had messages saying personal format will not load, then a few clicks and my normal desktop appears.
We will see if it settles down.

[Kenmo1]

I think I may be an 'ole ****' like Graham when it comes to new technology. My son came round last Saturday and started the Windows 10 download for me. It didn't take too long and he put Google Chrome on which is what I always use BUT it takes ages to load - anything up to 20 minutes so I find it easier to go in on Windows Edge when I just want to go on Cruise Community Forum. Eventually, Chrome comes on and I can look at my emails. I also get a message when I sign on saying something like Windows failed to connect to Client Service Group Policy or something like that because it flashes up so quickly and then disappears. Hopefully, my son will sort things out when we see him this weekend.

Luckily, I don't use the computer for anything to do with money so that's not a problem. I must check later to see if my music has come across - I hadn't thought about that as I only use it occasionally.

I can't say I am over impressed but I must admit it took me a while to get used to Windows 8 so it's just me being a technophobe. It hasn't helped that this week my husband's mobile phone conked out and we bought the cheapest PAYG phone we could find which is unfortunately a touch screen. I think we have managed to wipe out or cut off most phone calls although rather annoyingly a lot of them have been cold calls which we have sussed out are from the Vodaphone sales team.

Maureen.

[Stephen]

Alan

If you can't get Outlook working, download Live Essentials (Live Mail). It's similar to Outlook and works fine with Windows 10, or at least it did until I reverted back to 7.

Unless everyone is already aware, you only have 30 days to automatically revert back to your previous operating system if you decide it's not for you. Outside of the 30 days your stuck with it unless you delete it and reinstall your old OS and everything else manually.

[Manoverboard]

Alan ... I had a whole bunch of e-mails residing on Outlook ( albeit Express ) on an XP machine so I created a couple of descriptive e-mail accounts for the transfer and then e-mailed the useful stuff to myself on Windows Live Mail from the XP machine. Zero risk I thought and although obviously time consuming it worked out ok for me, would it do likewise for you ?

[Silver_Shiney]

Thank you, gentlemen, I shall have a look at those later. The thought that just came to me is to email myself with the required archive emails as attached "Outlook items", which I could then try saving back into the Inbox so I can still see where they originated from. I'll let you know what happens. I'll also make a diary note to remind me to consider uninstalling after 25 days, if I haven't pulled the plug by then!

[Silver_Shiney]

lump of turf it. I'm upgrading the desktop to Windows 7

[Kendhni]

Has anybody found the contacts list on Windows 10 mail or managed to import contacts. They have hidden it so well I can't find it. I suspect I will stick with Live Mail even though it's not perfect.

OBF, the contacts are held in the 'People' app ... should be in your app list, just search for 'People'

[Kendhni]

Well, I have now bitten the bullet and installed W10 on my "new" desktop, which came with 8.1. I first copied all my files across from the Win 7 laptop and created a secondary login for the Lady C. Although the new account was created easily enough, it doesn't show on booting up, it goes straight into my login account.

A couple of things to try ... do you have a password on your account?
At the search type in 'netplwiz' which should show the 'User Accounts' dialog. and make sure that the 'Users must enter a password ...' checkbox is selected.
From the start menu select 'settings' -> accounts -> sign-in options and ensure the 'Require sign-in' is not set to 'never'

I have always taken my own advice and never use Outlook on my home computer (just gmail and yahoo mail) so I can't help there. The 'Mail' client in Windows 10 isn't bad.

Windows 10 is a huge step forward over XP, 7, 8 and 8.1 ... however if you are using older versions of software it may take a while to get used to. I would say to stick with it for a while longer and give it a chance.

[Silver_Shiney]

Thanks Ken, but I've already got Win 7 on order. For me, the tiles etc in 8/10 are a step too far - more style over substance; "hey, look what we can do, therefore this is what you will have". It wouldn't be so bad if they gave users the choice. Also, there was a ruling a couple of years ago that, when installing, Microsoft had to give you the choice of which browser to use. That wasn't given. I will run with 7 for as long as possible, then when I am absolutely forced to change will go either Apple or Ubuntu.

[Quizzical Bob]

Thanks Ken, but I've already got Win 7 on order. For me, the tiles etc in 8/10 are a step too far - more style over substance; "hey, look what we can do, therefore this is what you will have". It wouldn't be so bad if they gave users the choice. Also, there was a ruling a couple of years ago that, when installing, Microsoft had to give you the choice of which browser to use. That wasn't given. I will run with 7 for as long as possible, then when I am absolutely forced to change will go either Apple or Ubuntu.

I saw a recent article showing that Apple laptops were consistently more reliable than other makes and had a much longer life. They cost a bit more, of course.

[Silver_Shiney]

They do seem to be, QB, but they are a lot more expensive. My other big problem is that I have a lot of Windows based software, which would need replacing. This means hoping that there is an equivalent available in Open Source or Apple (which also means more expense). My model railway controller only runs on Windows but, as that will by then be a superfluous laptop, it can just have internet access disabled.

Also I need to be able to occasionally work from home and tap into the database, so I am obliged to stick with Windows for at least the time being.

[towny44]

I am persevering with Win 10 despite some issues, however the recent problems seem to have been with win updates, the auto function does not seem as robust as it did on 7, but once I went into settings and installed them manually its back to normal operation.
Not sure I understand Shiney's comments about tiles, all my regularly used functions are on the task bar as they were in 7 and file explorer also now seems to offer improved functions, so apart from switching off, checking settings or searching for something lodged in the back of my mind, but I've forgotten where it is, I hardly ever need to use the start button.
I do think though that MS could have made that little wheel feature more user friendly, surely it should know when it can't fulfill the task and give you prompts and options to get out of it, instead of just going round forever!

[oldbluefox]

Has anybody found the contacts list on Windows 10 mail or managed to import contacts. They have hidden it so well I can't find it. I suspect I will stick with Live Mail even though it's not perfect.

OBF, the contacts are held in the 'People' app ... should be in your app list, just search for 'People'

Thanks Ken. Found it!

[Silver_Shiney]

John, I agree that frequently used programme can be pit on the taskbar but clicking on the Start button brings up loads of tiles instead of a concise list. This may be better for smartphone and smaller tablets but I'd have been less unimpressed if they gave us the option of how do display - for example, in Control Panel, we had the choice of the categorised or the classical view.

[Quizzical Bob]

They do seem to be, QB, but they are a lot more expensive. My other big problem is that I have a lot of Windows based software, which would need replacing. This means hoping that there is an equivalent available in Open Source or Apple (which also means more expense). My model railway controller only runs on Windows but, as that will by then be a superfluous laptop, it can just have internet access disabled.

Also I need to be able to occasionally work from home and tap into the database, so I am obliged to stick with Windows for at least the time being.

I use several machines in the line of my business and on my MacBook Air I have installed Windows Fusion software that uses the same hardware and runs the standard Windows as a virtual machine. You can access files from the other operating system.

[Silver_Shiney]

Thanks QB, I have heard of that - it's just more expense!!

[towny44]

John, I agree that frequently used programme can be pit on the taskbar but clicking on the Start button brings up loads of tiles instead of a concise list. This may be better for smartphone and smaller tablets but I'd have been less unimpressed if they gave us the option of how do display - for example, in Control Panel, we had the choice of the categorised or the classical view.

Shiney, as you use Win 10 your most used functions do show as a list, similar to how Win 7 works, as for the tiles on my machine I can't say that I ever expect to use them, most seem a bit superfluous as I already have webpages covering the content, and they do seem to take forever to load.
Bottom line is for what I use the laptop for it seems to function almost the same as Win 7, although I have turned off most of the features that track your usage method and supposedly give you an improved operation. I'd rather MS did not know what I was up to!!!!!!

[Silver_Shiney]

Thanks for that, John, I, too, turned off the MS tracking. It's bad enough Google/Android snooping without Redmond's finest joining the party.