The EU - what next?

[Gill W]

Ah, now you are looking in a different place, and this one is mighty odd.

It doesn't look right at all.

Or it could be that Gove is a nasty back stabber.

Or both.

Andrew Marr gave Gove a real grilling on TV this morning.

[barney]

It is interesting how things are being reported around the world

RT News (Russian) reported yesterday's rally in London as a massive anti-democracy rally while France 24 reported that there was enough evidence to hold another referendum as this was seen by some as un-democratic because the Leave campaign did not tell the truth.

Shock horror !!!!! Politicians sometimes don't tell the truth !!!!!

I must admit that our son is somewhat out on a limb in his peer group for voting out.
His is well educated, with a degree and holds an elevated post within Kent Police so has to be very careful what he says publicly.
Many of his long time friends, particularly the ones who live and work in London are near to meltdown.
However, when he asked some of them what would materially change for them personally, none could give an answer.
One said that it would restrict his opportunity to work abroad, so my son asked him if he wanted to or ever intended to work abroad.
That's not the point came back the reply. I couldn't if I wished to, he said.

So, the argument could be it will stop me retiring to France.
Do I want to retire to France. Well no! I don't.
But, this single act has denied me the right to do something I didn't want to do.
A rather bizarre argument by any standards.

Much of the press is also reporting that it is London and the South East who voted to stay.
That is factually incorrect.
The South East voted quite overwhelmingly to leave with only Tunbridge Wells (blue rinse) in Kent voting to stay.
Everywhere else in the county voted out.

The simple fact is that the majority of those who voted, voted to Leave the EU.
Suck it up all you bad losers and get on with your life.

[oldbluefox]

And now Bliar has thrown his two penn'orth in by saying the electorate could change their minds on Brexit and we may not need to leave the EU.
This is a bit rich coming from the one who offered us a referendum in order to get into power and then denied it as "the terms had been changed as a consequence of the Lisbon Treaty " . You wouldn't buy a bag of Smarties from this character.
It's about time the Remainers accepted the result and got on with it. Of course London voted to Remain and where are the country's press located? Just saying..............

[Onelife]

Hi foxy.....We must have been listening to the same radio program....He and other failed PM's should keep their views to themselves or at least not keep using the media to incite remainers into thinking there is a chance of forcing another referendum.

Keith

[Gill W]

Much of the press is also reporting that it is London and the South East who voted to stay.
That is factually incorrect.
The South East voted quite overwhelmingly to leave with only Tunbridge Wells (blue rinse) in Kent voting to stay.
Everywhere else in the county voted out.

The simple fact is that the majority of those who voted, voted to Leave the EU.
Suck it up all you bad losers and get on with your life.

Both geographically and within my peer group, I'm in the minority.

My 'side' lost, and I've come to terms with it. It's not what I wanted for the future but now I've got to go forward with everyone else.

If the 'Leaves' are getting tired of being told they are 'stupid, a bigot, a racist, uneducated and a little Englander' (to quote a recent post of yours), the Remains are getting fed up of people assuming they are all bad losers, and being told to suck it up.

Most Remains know there's nothing that can be done about the result now - most want to get Brexit done in the best possible way for our country, to remove all the uncertainty.

[towny44]

And now Bliar has thrown his two penn'orth in by saying the electorate could change their minds on Brexit and we may not need to leave the EU.
This is a bit rich coming from the one who offered us a referendum in order to get into power and then denied it as "the terms had been changed as a consequence of the Lisbon Treaty " . You wouldn't buy a bag of Smarties from this character.
It's about time the Remainers accepted the result and got on with it. Of course London voted to Remain and where are the country's press located? Just saying..............

I doubt that Nestle would let Blair anywhere near a Smartie franchise.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Those who are protesting about this result and those who protested about the result of the last General Election need to learn a basic truth of our democratic system. A date is set for the election. Those who can't be bothered to get off their bottoms and vote have no right to any say on the result. Those who vote for the losing side need to reflect they are in the minority of those who did bother. Yes in this case 48% voted to stay in. But that doesn't mean we stay 48% in. It still means they lost.

[oldbluefox]

And now Bliar has thrown his two penn'orth in by saying the electorate could change their minds on Brexit and we may not need to leave the EU.
This is a bit rich coming from the one who offered us a referendum in order to get into power and then denied it as "the terms had been changed as a consequence of the Lisbon Treaty " . You wouldn't buy a bag of Smarties from this character.
It's about time the Remainers accepted the result and got on with it. Of course London voted to Remain and where are the country's press located? Just saying..............

I doubt that Nestle would let Blair anywhere near a Smartie franchise.

I presume Smartie production has left our shores............. along with virtually everything else.

[Raybosailor]

Its interesting how the people in the city i.e. the bankers and finance houses are shouting from the rooftops that the lower waged less educated people have put the UK into a downward spiral.

Have they forgot that those lower waged less educated tax paying people had to bale the banks out and suffer austerity while the fat cats got richer despite bringing the UK to its knees ?.

[Ray Scully]

Its interesting how the people in the city i.e. the bankers and finance houses are shouting from the rooftops that the lower waged less educated people have put the UK into a downward spiral.

Have they forgot that those lower waged less educated tax paying people had to bale the banks out and suffer austerity while the fat cats got richer despite bringing the UK to its knees ?.

and those self same people will end up losing out if Brexit goes wrong

[Raybosailor]

Its interesting how the people in the city i.e. the bankers and finance houses are shouting from the rooftops that the lower waged less educated people have put the UK into a downward spiral.

Have they forgot that those lower waged less educated tax paying people had to bale the banks out and suffer austerity while the fat cats got richer despite bringing the UK to its knees ?.

and those self same people will end up losing out if Brexit goes wrong

Yes and those selfish same fatcats will still come out smelling of roses.

[oldbluefox]

And where was the EU when everything did go belly up, thanks to the bankers? So much for the Euro Community standing solid in the face of adversity or a case of every man for himself.

[Ray Scully]

And where was the EU when everything did go belly up, thanks to the bankers?

Hmmm interesting how the bankers messed it up for everyone

[Raybosailor]

And where was the EU when everything did go belly up, thanks to the bankers? So much for the Euro Community standing solid in the face of adversity or a case of every man for himself.

[Ray Scully]

And where was the EU when everything did go belly up, thanks to the bankers? So much for the Euro Community standing solid in the face of adversity or a case of every man for himself.

The EU as with the UK government where just small part players trying to salvage what they could when the WORLD bankers messed up

[oldbluefox]

At least with Brexit we will be spared the embarrassment of voting for somebody we have never heard of and will never hear of again and the knowledge that the taxes of the lower paid man in the street will not be going to subsidise the lavish lifestyle of the fat cats in Brussels and Strasburg.

[Raybosailor]

And where was the EU when everything did go belly up, thanks to the bankers? So much for the Euro Community standing solid in the face of adversity or a case of every man for himself.

The EU as with the UK government where just small part players trying to salvage what they could when the WORLD bankers messed up

So lets get this right ? The EU have been telling us what we can do with our money for over fourty years then the WORLD banks shafted us. Just about sums things up.

[Ray Scully]

At least with Brexit we will be spared the embarrassment of voting for somebody we have never heard of and will never hear of again and the knowledge that the taxes of the lower paid man in the street will not be going to subsidise the lavish lifestyle of the fat cats in Brussels and Strasburg.

As if all is perfect in our own country. To paraphrase Mr Gove .
and as long as the rewards go not to risk takers and job creators but insiders in our OWN financial system and big business who have rigged the market in their interests. Hired managers are paid huge sums as if they were successful entrepreneurs putting their own money on the line. In many cases they do a poor job, then get huge pay-offs and pension contributions and then go on to lecture people on average and below average wages about the need for greater labour market flexibility.

[oldbluefox]

And who has overseen this. It was no different in the 13 years of Labour rule where we saw the gap between rich and poor widen despite the cynical rhetoric of Harmann and Cooper & Co.
Politicians, economists, businessmen, bankers are all guilty of self interest in order to feather their own particular nests. Was it coincidental that the majority of them were predicting Armageddon if we voted out? Is it coincidental that those areas which had received the most voted Remain whilst those who had been neglected voted to come out for it is noticeable that it was the poorer areas of the land where the Brexit vote was strongest? The writing was on the wall and the politicians ignored them, they just did not listen. Instead they labelled them racists, bigots, Little Englanders. They were so smug that the vote would go in their favour because they thought they could scare the vote in their favour. And their smugness continues because they think the result can be overturned. The sight of the smarmy Tony Blair advocating a rethink exemplifies what a smug lot they are.
For once I felt every vote in the referendum actually counted for the ordinary man in the street.

[oldbluefox]

btw Smarties are no longer made in Uk. They're made in Germany. Well there's a surprise!!!!

[Silver_Shiney]

At least with Brexit we will be spared the embarrassment of voting for somebody we have never heard of and will never hear of again and the knowledge that the taxes of the lower paid man in the street will not be going to subsidise the lavish lifestyle of the fat cats in Brussels and Strasburg.

As if all is perfect in our own country. To paraphrase Mr Gove .
and as long as the rewards go not to risk takers and job creators but insiders in our OWN financial system and big business who have rigged the market in their interests. Hired managers are paid huge sums as if they were successful entrepreneurs putting their own money on the line. In many cases they do a poor job, then get huge pay-offs and pension contributions and then go on to lecture people on average and below average wages about the need for greater labour market flexibility.

I remember in 1996, working for a firm if financial advisers, one of the wannabe daycare phoning up and positively wailing that his bonus was only £800k. Not his salary, his bonus. He didn't know how he would be able to cope.

Point 1: NOBODY is worth that much money
Point 2:. If he was relying on such over-inflated bonuses to live on, he was clearly living way beyond his means and has no business working in the financial sector.
Point 3:. This sort of profligacy is clearly continuing and, with inflation, the figures are most likely to be much higher.

This sort of remuneration level is worldwide.

I submit that the financial crises of recent years owe an awful lot to greed on the part of those to whom we entrust our investments. If salaries and bonuses were at a more modest level, the situation may well be a lot different. And as for the fatcats in Brussels....

[Ray Scully]

At least with Brexit we will be spared the embarrassment of voting for somebody we have never heard of and will never hear of again and the knowledge that the taxes of the lower paid man in the street will not be going to subsidise the lavish lifestyle of the fat cats in Brussels and Strasburg.

As if all is perfect in our own country. To paraphrase Mr Gove .
and as long as the rewards go not to risk takers and job creators but insiders in our OWN financial system and big business who have rigged the market in their interests. Hired managers are paid huge sums as if they were successful entrepreneurs putting their own money on the line. In many cases they do a poor job, then get huge pay-offs and pension contributions and then go on to lecture people on average and below average wages about the need for greater labour market flexibility.

I remember in 1996, working for a firm if financial advisers, one of the wannabe daycare phoning up and positively wailing that his bonus was only £800k. Not his salary, his bonus. He didn't know how he would be able to cope.

Point 1: NOBODY is worth that much money
Point 2:. If he was relying on such over-inflated bonuses to live on, he was clearly living way beyond his means and has no business working in the financial sector.
Point 3:. This sort of profligacy is clearly continuing and, with inflation, the figures are most likely to be much higher.

This sort of remuneration level is worldwide.

I submit that the financial crises of recent years owe an awful lot to greed on the part of those to whom we entrust our investments. If salaries and bonuses were at a more modest level, the situation may well be a lot different. And as for the fatcats in Brussels....

they are all tarred with the same brush

[Silver_Shiney]

If Mishcon de Reya's action, to ensure that Article 50 can only be triggered after legislation is passed, is successful and such legislation is not passed, where does that leave us? Will the EU just say "business as usual" where Britain is concerned?

[Mervyn and Trish]

There are some parts of the EU, Germany among them, which are beginning to realise the Brexit vote is founded in deep mistrust and that things have to change. With other countries becoming increasingly eurosceptic this story has a long long way to run before we leave the door.

[Onelife]

If Mishcon de Reya's action, to ensure that Article 50 can only be triggered after legislation is passed, is successful and such legislation is not passed, where does that leave us? Will the EU just say "business as usual" where Britain is concerned?

Hi Mr Shiney.....

And what's the betting that this group of businesses have a group of disgruntled X MP's such as Hesltine and Major backing this move.

The way these toffee nosed little gits are acting is disgraceful.