Current Affairs

[Onelife]

I agree with both of the above....

[Manoverboard]

It was never going to be easy.

I voted to leave and would do so again .... spoiling tactics and a poor decision ( albeit with hindsight ) by the PM has changed nothing as far as I am concerned. The departure date remains as was.

[Gill W]

Considering the negotiations haven't started yet I see no reason to change my mind. After 40 years of the EU and seeing how they were veering towards a federal Europe I just wish they would get on with the process of leaving.
The problem we have is as a consequence of Mrs May conducting a kamikaze election of unbelievable proportions and Jezzer making promises which were attractive but we could not afford.

If the vote had gone Remain, we would never have had the kamikaze election. Dave would still be PM, and Jezza would still be regarded as unelectable.

The clock is ticking on the negotiation period, and we are nowhere near ready to even think about starting negotiations. We're unlikely to even get a Queens speech until 26th June, and what with everyone going off on their summer holidays, we probably won't get anything meaningful done until the autumn.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I suspect summer hols will be cancelled for those directly involved in Brexit

[Gill W]

True. But if Jezzer ever gets in we'll be paying dearly for that.

People round here are slagging off the Tories over the NHS They forget that Labour cut the number of beds in our new hospital by 200 and saddled us with a huge annual PFI payment. And bodged the GP contract. That's why the NHS is in crisis.

Is that along with all the other mess that we are currently in?

This whole sorry mess is basically down to one person - Jezzer. If he had stood "shoulder to shoulder" with call me Dave during the referendum then we would not be going down the Brexit route, we would not have just had a disastrous General Election and the Government of the day would be running the country rather than all the in fighting that is currently going on.

I think the one thing we all are agreed on, is that we are in a sorry mess at the moment

If the referendum last year had resulted in a Remain result, none of this would have happened.

To all you Leavers, if you could have foreseen this debacle, would you have still voted Leave?

Discuss.

Gill, I think the debacle is very much in the minds of those in the media, especially all the Trots and Bolshies at the BBC.
Yes the election was botched but you can't really blame Brexit for that, it was very much an own goal by the Tories, or at least Theresa's advisors, and the main reason that the referendum is still headline news is again down to the media who keep feeding the sore remainers with false hope.
So to answer your question would I change my vote the answer is definitely no, the reasons for my decision are unchanged.
Back in 1975 I voted to stay in a free trade organisation, not a political union where an increasing number of MEPs have political and economical views which are light years away from mine, and the rotten apple in the EU barrel is the Euro which is requiring constant attention from the EU leaders and takes up far more effort from the bureaucrats than it should and is leading to ever higher demands for budget increases to keep it operational, over and above the huge input of finance to keep it afloat.

As I said to OBF, the election was a result of the outcome of the referendum. If the result had been Remain, Dave would never have resigned, we'd have never have had May and we'd have never had the recent GE.

Bearing that in mind, no wonder the Sore Remainers are feeling concerned, as a train of events has been put into place, leading back to 23rd June 2016. People aren't just going to forget about such an important event, especially as things haven't been going too well since!

[Gill W]

I will return in a few months time, when things have gone down the pan even further, and see how you all feel then

[qbman1]

Blimey, it's Jack in disguise !

Gill, you can't look at it as if the vote had been Remain. It wasn't. Rightly or wrongly, the consensus in the country as a whole as to Leave so leave we will. You could ask a million "what ifs" throughout history and, yes, things could be very different but what's happened has happened and we have to live with the consequences.

[Happydays]

I think Labour have been totally irresponsible throughout this election. They knew they had no hope of actually winning a majority and thus were able to promise the earth and sh*t miracles whilst knowing they would never have to deliver. This encouraged many impressionable voters, such as the very young and supposedly educated students (who should know better), to vote Labour for purely personal reasons. As a result, they have buggered it up for everyone!

I agree! Also I would NOT change my vote to leave the EU quicker the better....

[screwy]

Wouldnt change my Leave vote.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Remain lost the referendum because Dave took the electorate for granted.

The Tories lost their majority because Theresa took the electorate for granted.

But despite both those errors of judgement a majority still voted Tory rather than take Jezzer's unfunded and unsustainable bribes.

[oldbluefox]

Theresa May would not now be PM if David "We're not quitters!" Cameron had not resigned the moment he lost the referendum. He did indeed take the electorate for granted and when it all went pear shaped he picked up his bat and slinked off. George Osborne, Dave's right hand man, whose prophecies about Brexit have been shown to be alarmist and unfounded also took his bat home and is not sitting in judgement at the Evening Standard.
I've no time for either of them.

[screwy]

And so Tiny Tim has bitten the Bullet and stepped down, very honourable of him. McDonnell on the Andrew Marr show before the Election said that " If Labour lost the Election " then it would be right for the leadership to stand down..! Hmm, not seen much sign of that happening, Principled and men of their word....Not.

[Mervyn and Trish]

So step forward Vince Cable?

[towny44]

I think Ed Davey would be a better choice for the Lib Dems, although mad Vince might be a good choice for the Conservatives come the next GE.

[qbman1]

Mrs Krankie next to fall on her Claymore ? No chance, she's too self-centered and thick-skinned for that.

[qbman1]

Brexit is a reality - Britain is making a run for it !!

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[oldbluefox]

Much as I thought Tiny Tim was deluded I feel it is wrong that he has had to resign as party leader because of what has been said about his religious beliefs, especially when we know of another leader who has held very contentious beliefs and is now being lauded from many quarters as the country's next saviour. Whilst I personally have no problem with LBGT I sometimes feel it is being rammed down our throats by gay activists in the media.
Controversially I wonder if the same pressure would have been applied had he been a Muslim?

[barney]

A mere excuse in my opinion Foxy.

Tim went 'all in ' with his gamble to attract the 48%

Unfortunately for him, the 48% is now about 15%, so he failed big time and fell on his sword.

Tactical voting never really caught on and he only gained 3 MPs

[qbman1]

....and managed to reduce the Lib Dem's share of the vote in the process ! I, for one, won't miss his silly smirk and annoying whine on the telly every 10 minutes !

[screwy]

Much as I thought Tiny Tim was deluded I feel it is wrong that he has had to resign as party leader because of what has been said about his religious beliefs, especially when we know of another leader who has held very contentious beliefs and is now being lauded from many quarters as the country's next saviour. Whilst I personally have no problem with LBGT I sometimes feel it is being rammed down our throats by gay activists in the media.
Controversially I wonder if the same pressure would have been applied had he been a Muslim?

A little tale from my Locking people up days.

A Jewish prisoner asked if the Prison was doing anything for Roshahana ? which was fast approaching. I said i would make enquiries. After speaking to the Chapel, Race Relations Offr and Kitchen it appeared no-one knew. I therefore Asked the Deputy Gov who said " wouldnt think so, there's only a handfull of Jews in the Jail" I asked her if that would be the same if there were only a handfull of Muslims ? Her reply was " Thats a different matter " I informed her that i would take it up with head office and was told not to.. I later got called into my Line manager who told me to stop being Bolshie. Say's everything..

[oldbluefox]

I can go along with the reason being that he was unrealistic in his targets (and irritatingly so) but I felt uneasy at the way the media hounded him as a consequence of his Christian beliefs, a scrutiny which nobody else was subjected to.
On the contrary the ridicule which Diane Abbott attracted, and got, was put down to racism!!! What!?!!!!

[qbman1]

But that's the Leftie way - any criticism of anyone of any minority persuasion brings the immediate "racism" cry

[Mervyn and Trish]

I may be accused on being homophobic by the liberal elite (I'm not by the way, and have a number of gay friends with whom I am totally comfortable, whose company I enjoy enormously and whose sexual preferences I respect), but I can no longer watch Holby City on the TV. There is more militant gay propaganda than medical issues on the programme now.

[Jan Rosser]

I may be accused on being homophobic by the liberal elite (I'm not by the way, and have a number of gay friends with whom I am totally comfortable, whose company I enjoy enormously and whose sexual preferences I respect), but I can no longer watch Holby City on the TV. There is more militant gay propaganda than medical issues on the programme now.

Know what you mean Merv - really fed up of the storyline now - where's the blood and guts gone By the way my best male friend is gay and I love his company and that of his friends so no I'm not homophobic either.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I thought your best mate was Cubie. Are you just saying. ........