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[CaroleF]

There's something I don't understand, maybe one of you can explain it. Corbyn says he is ready to form a Government. Well how? With all the seats of parties who would support him added up it's still not a majority. Neither the Tories, nor the DUP will agree to any legislation he tries to put through Parliament so how would it work?

[qbman1]

It's probably the same way he will fund all his pre-election promises - the Magic Socialist Fairy will flutter down and everything will be well with the world !

One thing that puzzles me - extreme right-wing supporters are labelled "nazis" but the much greater numbers of hard left activists are "party faithful" ?!

[oldbluefox]

There's something I don't understand, maybe one of you can explain it. Corbyn says he is ready to form a Government. Well how? With all the seats of parties who would support him added up it's still not a majority. Neither the Tories, nor the DUP will agree to any legislation he tries to put through Parliament so how would it work?

Diane Abbott has clearly done the sums.
Btw I am devastated!! I looked in on the BBC News today and there's no Laura Kuennsberg, the toxic little socialist. Has she gone on holiday? Is she having a rest or have they decided to shunt her backstage for awhile hoping we will all forget about her?

[Jack Staff]

There's something I don't understand, maybe one of you can explain it. Corbyn says he is ready to form a Government. Well how? With all the seats of parties who would support him added up it's still not a majority. Neither the Tories, nor the DUP will agree to any legislation he tries to put through Parliament so how would it work?

If TM the PM cannot get her Queen’s Speech through Parliament at the first attempt – constitutional law makes Jeremy Corbyn the Prime Minister by default, without the need for him to do the same.

How he continues from there is up to him, (if he can).

[oldbluefox]

Does this answer your question Carole. I would guess that since the DUP would not want a Corbyn led Labour government they would want want the Tories to be defeated, with or without an agreement being reached.

[towny44]

There's something I don't understand, maybe one of you can explain it. Corbyn says he is ready to form a Government. Well how? With all the seats of parties who would support him added up it's still not a majority. Neither the Tories, nor the DUP will agree to any legislation he tries to put through Parliament so how would it work?

If TM the PM cannot get her Queen’s Speech through Parliament at the first attempt – constitutional law makes Jeremy Corbyn the Prime Minister by default, without the need for him to do the same.

How he continues from there is up to him, (if he can).

Reading Foxy's link I don't think I agree with your assumption Jack, an alternative conservative leader could possibly try to form a Govt. ahead of Jeremy.
As far as your final sentence goes I would imagine that JC would face an immediate vote of confidence and I cannot believe the DUP would support Labour, unless he agree to abolish Sinn Fein and send them all back down south.

[Jack Staff]

There's something I don't understand, maybe one of you can explain it. Corbyn says he is ready to form a Government. Well how? With all the seats of parties who would support him added up it's still not a majority. Neither the Tories, nor the DUP will agree to any legislation he tries to put through Parliament so how would it work?

If TM the PM cannot get her Queen’s Speech through Parliament at the first attempt – constitutional law makes Jeremy Corbyn the Prime Minister by default, without the need for him to do the same.

How he continues from there is up to him, (if he can).

Reading Foxy's link I don't think I agree with your assumption Jack, an alternative conservative leader could possibly try to form a Govt. ahead of Jeremy.
As far as your final sentence goes I would imagine that JC would face an immediate vote of confidence and I cannot believe the DUP would support Labour, unless he agree to abolish Sinn Fein and send them all back down south.

From Foxy's link "....the question is whether Jeremy Corbyn would be the one to form a new government or refuse (refusals have occurred in UK government history), or whether the Conservatives would argue they could try again under a new prime minister."
So I think Foxy and I agree for once. Jeremy gets first dibs, where he can refuse.
As for my final sentence, I don't think he stands a chance! (Which is why I put "if he can").

[oldbluefox]

Reading Foxy's link I don't think I agree with your assumption Jack, an alternative conservative leader could possibly try to form a Govt. ahead of Jeremy.
As far as your final sentence goes I would imagine that JC would face an immediate vote of confidence and I cannot believe the DUP would support Labour, unless he agree to abolish Sinn Fein and send them all back down south.

From Foxy's link "....the question is whether Jeremy Corbyn would be the one to form a new government or refuse (refusals have occurred in UK government history), or whether the Conservatives would argue they could try again under a new prime minister."
So I think Foxy and I agree for once. Jeremy gets first dibs, where he can refuse.
As for my final sentence, I don't think he stands a chance! (Which is why I put "if he can").

There is a caveat there, Jack, which you have not mentioned - " or whether the Conservatives would argue they could try again under a new prime minister". Corbyn as PM would not be automatic.
I also repeat my claim that the DUP would not vote against the government and allow the upper hand to the Labour party who would need the support of the SNP, something Mrs Krankie has said she would not do in the past. However, in politics, what a politician says today is not necessarily what they say tomorrow. Corbyn's hold on government, if he were to achieve it, would be less tenuous than the Tories.

[Jack Staff]

Reading Foxy's link I don't think I agree with your assumption Jack, an alternative conservative leader could possibly try to form a Govt. ahead of Jeremy.
As far as your final sentence goes I would imagine that JC would face an immediate vote of confidence and I cannot believe the DUP would support Labour, unless he agree to abolish Sinn Fein and send them all back down south.

From Foxy's link "....the question is whether Jeremy Corbyn would be the one to form a new government or refuse (refusals have occurred in UK government history), or whether the Conservatives would argue they could try again under a new prime minister."
So I think Foxy and I agree for once. Jeremy gets first dibs, where he can refuse.
As for my final sentence, I don't think he stands a chance! (Which is why I put "if he can").

There is a caveat there, Jack, which you have not mentioned - " or whether the Conservatives would argue they could try again under a new prime minister". Corbyn as PM would not be automatic.
I also repeat my claim that the DUP would not vote against the government and allow the upper hand to the Labour party who would need the support of the SNP, something Mrs Krankie has said she would not do in the past. However, in politics, what a politician says today is not necessarily what they say tomorrow. Corbyn's hold on government, if he were to achieve it, would be less tenuous than the Tories.

From what I am reading and your link, if the vote is lost, Corbyn is asked to become Prime Minister. He could refuse (I think we agree he wouldn't) then the Conservatives have another chance. Corbyn's hold on government would indeed be tenuous.

For the record, as some here seem to see me as a bit of a lefty, I should like to point out that I am as left as Theresa May until 23rd June, Kenneth Clark, George Osborne, David Cameron and Micheal Hesletine today. I have no desire to see Corbyn in power as such.

[Manoverboard]

I thought that Jeremy could cause the Queens speech to be defeated and that then ..... he can present his own but that also has to be voted on - ish ?

Yes / No ?

ps ... welcome back Jack, hope you had a great cruise.

[Jack Staff]

I thought that Jeremy could cause the Queens speech to be defeated and that then ..... he can present his own but that also has to be voted on - ish ?

Yes / No ?

ps ... welcome back Jack, hope you had a great cruise.

If the Queens speech is defeated, the Queen then asks the leader of HM Opposition to form a government. He (Corbyn in this instance) does not have to produce a Queens speech.
If he refuses the invitation, it then goes back to the original government (Conservative here) to try again. At this stage it is obvious that the HoC is in trouble and another election (if not before!).

Had a lovely time thanks!

[Stephen]

True or not. You decide

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6eTKqx9_rE

[screwy]

Maybe they could work on Corbyn and co..

[Stephen]

If the price is right I'm sure they would. Might even do it for nothing

[Jack Staff]

I thought she looked very smart and regal, but it seems both the Express and Mail are having a fit online, inspiring a Daily Mail commenter to call the Queen a "Lefty liberal luvvie traitor!!!"

They may be right to be upset, as I know the message has been received in Brussels.

[screwy]

And so it seems the Summer of Discontent has started . The Rail Unions restarting their Strike action,funny how they held of till after the Election..?

We were talking to a Train Driver recently on Britannia who stated that the Driver only Trains would only be a problem if there were morethan 8 carriages. He also stated that it was the Drivers who did well out of Privatising the Railways as they got a large salary increase.

[david63]

He also stated that it was the Drivers who did well out of Privatising the Railways as they got a large salary increase.

So when Jezzer re-nationalises the railway they will be taking a pay cut then?????

[Mervyn and Trish]

I guess that's why Jezzer attracts young voters. They don't remember how bleep awful the trains were before privatisation

[qbman1]

Are we going back to steam-hauled trains ?

[Mervyn and Trish]

And coaches with no corridors

[Stephen]

Are we going back to steam-hauled trains ?

Hope so.

[Mervyn and Trish]

And toilets that dumped poo on the lines?

[Stephen]

It's called compost

[screwy]

Are we going back to steam-hauled trains ?

Why not, after all he will probably re-open the mines,coal will be needed. I rather liked the old steam trains, with the carriages with corridors.

I guess that's why Jezzer attracts young voters. They don't remember how bleep awful the trains were before privatisation

I see he's off to Glastonbury to reach out to more of the great unwashed.

[Frank Manning]

Read Nick Clegg 's statement about populism, Paul Dacre, hedge fund managers, newspaper proprietors, and the far right. Strikes a cord with me somehow.