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Mervyn and Trish
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Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 10:03
Mervyn and Trish wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 09:24
Better that a Onelife tip!
If I remember correctly Sir Merv, you along with a few others on the forum were up until a couple of weeks ago still giving Boris the bennift of doubt…. that’s what I call backing a donkey. :thumbup: :D
Sadly you are misremembering. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt rather longer ago, when there was room for doubt, encouraging the Boris Bashers to await the outcome of the various reports and investigations. I've not been saying so for some time. What I have been reminding people more recently, though some are so blinkered they prefer to call it Whataboutery, is that he is not the worst liar among recent Prime Ministers, that this is not the worst government in the last 25 years, and that Sir Hindsight lacks any policy other than "I'm Not Boris" (until his U turn on Brexit this week of course).

I hope as our resident betting man you might offer Barney decent odds on whether Sir H might make it himself to the next election, now that his best chance of winning is gone and his party in their heart of hearts know it. My prediction is he'll be gone once the Tories appoint someone who is also Not Boris and the opinion polls begin to swing. Or earlier dependent on Durham Police of course.
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As an aside to all this I notice the signature burger in the Keel and Cow on Iona is called the Prime Minister. I wonder if they regret that!

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Ray B wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 09:58
Why do the TV news give that toss Dominic Cumming coverage of his tweets. He's the snake in the grass.
Boris about to say I'm off, get on with it
Talk about spin string it out to the very last.
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Kendhni wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 10:25
Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 10:20
Hi Ken, I would be delighted if this should happen but I fear I will be disappointed again. Perhaps now is the time to move away from personality politicians and move towards those who have a proven track record of getting things done.
Agree totally, we can see the mess and damage a 'personality politician' can do in only a few years.
Not sure Gove has crowned himself in glory though as the 'Minister for Levelling Up' ... I haven't seen much evidence of anything tangible being delivered.
Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither will the building of what I consider to be a sound Government policy (Levelling Up). Having accepted that many areas have fallen off the radar is the first step in putting things right. The Government have created the foundations to do this and now need time to build on what will be a long uphill road. With regard to Gove’s impute… no one really bothers about what the foundations look like but they are crucial if you want things to stand the test of time…this, I think is where Gove excels.
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Boris is gone. It's time to stop squabbling within the party and between parties and get on with making Brexit work and dealing with the big issues such as cost of living. No more time for petty point scoring.

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You wish ... if only that will be the way forward.

I posted in support of that during Teresa's reign but they ignored me :cry:
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Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 11:58
Kendhni wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 10:25
Onelife wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 10:20
Hi Ken, I would be delighted if this should happen but I fear I will be disappointed again. Perhaps now is the time to move away from personality politicians and move towards those who have a proven track record of getting things done.
Agree totally, we can see the mess and damage a 'personality politician' can do in only a few years.
Not sure Gove has crowned himself in glory though as the 'Minister for Levelling Up' ... I haven't seen much evidence of anything tangible being delivered.
Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither will the building of what I consider to be a sound Government policy (Levelling Up). Having accepted that many areas have fallen off the radar is the first step in putting things right. The Government have created the foundations to do this and now need time to build on what will be a long uphill road. With regard to Gove’s impute… no one really bothers about what the foundations look like but they are crucial if you want things to stand the test of time…this, I think is where Gove excels.
I agree with the policy and hope you are correct that there has been a lot of behind the scenes work going on ... it will be good to see the actual output and seeing it directly affecting the lives of people (hopefully positively).


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He ain't gone. He's staying until the party elect a new leader. Why doesn't the Deputy PM take over until then. What a joke this government is. Actually we ain't got a government, they've all resigned.

I'm loving this, history is being made, the next few weeks are going to be fun.
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Since we are in the middle of a financial crisis, that the government has really not got to grips with, I think it would be better to temporarily reinstate the previous ministers back into their roles to provide some form of continuity. They are the ones with the knowledge as opposed to new faces that have no experience in running the offices... and most will be booted out within a few months as the new PM does a reshuffle.
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That makes perfect sense Ken but last I heard he's inside Number 10 appointing a new cabinet.
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Bensham33 wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 12:53
That makes perfect sense Ken but last I heard he's inside Number 10 appointing a new cabinet.
Just another Boris-botch-up

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So who will step up to the plate, apparently there are a few who are willing to, but it's a hard act to follow. We need a leader who can lead with a good team behind him, and a government who will toe the line and not bring our wonderful institution into disrepute. We now need respect at home and abroad for our government, which ever party is in power.
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Kendhni wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 12:43
Since we are in the middle of a financial crisis, that the government has really not got to grips with, I think it would be better to temporarily reinstate the previous ministers back into their roles to provide some form of continuity. They are the ones with the knowledge as opposed to new faces that have no experience in running the offices... and most will be booted out within a few months as the new PM does a reshuffle.
My wife was saying just that this morning :thumbup:

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The resigning PM staying on until a new party leader is elected is not unusual. David Cameron and Theresa May both remained as PM until their successor was decided.
I agree that in the current circumstances this is not ideal, but maybe it helps to understand why BJ feels he should remain in office until a new leader is appointed
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Christ, none stop Boris today, just wondering if there is any other news and weather forecasts.
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Bensham33 wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 12:38
He ain't gone. He's staying until the party elect a new leader. Why doesn't the Deputy PM take over until then. What a joke this government is. Actually we ain't got a government, they've all resigned.

I'm loving this, history is being made, the next few weeks are going to be fun.
Watch this space.
He’s out manoeuvred the 1922 committee by resigning as leader so therefore they cannot replace a leader who doesn’t exist.
He’s staying on as PM and if Labour call for a no confidence vote in Parliament and the Tories vote with that, it will trigger an election that the Tories can’t fight without a leader.
As Jonny Mercer said, “what a sh”tshow
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No way will the Tories back a no confidence motion. Why shoot yourself in the foot? They now have the opportunity to choose a new leader they believe can see of Sir H.

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Ray B wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 13:49
Christ, none stop Boris today, just wondering if there is any other news and weather forecasts.
Patience Ray. They will move on in due course. Let's hope this forum can too.
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Has the Queen got anything to say in this? Isn't it the monarch that appoints the Prime Minister , can she not now sack him?
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Bensham33 wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 14:38
Has the Queen got anything to say in this? Isn't it the monarch that appoints the Prime Minister , can she not now sack him?
The answer is that she could, however the Royal family generally take a non-interference approach.

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Kendhni wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 15:26
Bensham33 wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 14:38
Has the Queen got anything to say in this? Isn't it the monarch that appoints the Prime Minister , can she not now sack him?
The answer is that she could, however the Royal family generally take a non-interference approach.
I thought she could only react to what the PM tells her, and offer advice, but not dictate anything.
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Time to wheel out Jeremy Hunt.
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oldbluefox wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 16:26
Time to wheel out Jeremy Hunt.
A bit risky with a surname like that. :)

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What I noticed about Johnson's speech was that it made no mention of resignation, merely that he had agreed with the 1922 Committee that they can start the process to find a new leader.

I also noted that there was no contrition or humility for the numerous things that have led to this point. In fact he was blaming others for the situation, for example the 'herd instinct' of the ministers who resigned.

The speech was full of the usual blah about Brexit, vaccine roll out and 'coming out of lockdown'. Just like every other time he speaks.

It seemed to me that this wasn't a resignation speech at all, he was trying to do what he normally does, kick the can down the road for a few weeks and see what turns up.

It's probably been buried under the rest of the news, but at the liaison committee the other day, after being put under a lot of pressure, he admitted that he had met with Lebedev weeks after the Salisbury poisonings, which no other officials present. Who knows what was said between them. At worse, he's a security risk. Even if not a security risk, there's lots of of damage he can still cause between now and when he is eventually removed from No 10. He is thoroughly discredited - in these circumstances Raab should take over as caretaker PM (and I'm no Raab fan)

I still would not be surprised if Johnson has to be forcibly evicted from Downing St (Or Chequers - he's got a big party planned in a few weeks as a delayed wedding celebration - and it would be most inconvenient if he departed now and didn't have the use of Chequers)
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oldbluefox wrote: 07 Jul 2022, 16:26
Time to wheel out Jeremy Hunt.
Lord help us. :wtf:
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