Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack...The only thing that is consistent and transparent is that the EU had no other option other than stand their ground in order to stop further decay within the EU bloc.

Exactly. "The EU had no other option other than stand their ground.." because that is what the EU is. They are not going to dismantle the very thing we helped to build.

If you want further decay take a look at what the Brexiters are doing to our once great country.

[barney]

History will judge the EU very badly. It is now seen by millions as some sort of prison. The EU are handling it all very badly. We have reached out the hand of friendship and they spat in Mays face.

[barney]

May seems to have gone 'all in' with her proposal so I expect she will say something like "This is it."
It will stay on the table and wait to see if the EU are serious about actually doing a deal.

Who blinks first?

[oldbluefox]

If you want further decay take a look at what the Brexiters are doing to our once great country.

If you were to be believed the Liberals and the Greens, fighting on a Remain ticket should be absolutely thriving with people flocking to join them to fight this scourge on our country. The silent pitter patter of their feet is deafening.

[oldbluefox]

Somebody on QT last night was saying that the EU has such a stranglehold on this country maybe we should have been aware of this before the referendum.
What a disgraceful state of affairs and what an indictment on our politicians who have helped create the situation. All the more reason to leave now before the EU grip gets ever tighter.

[Jack Staff]

Oooooh, full lectern job. With flags, should be fun!

[barney]

As expected, the Prime minister has shamed the EU team.

Maybe if she had shown this resolve in the first place, we would be much further down the line in our preparations.

Nice that she said that all EU citizens are welcome to stay. Will the EU do the same?
A guarantee that the UK will not put up a hard border in Ireland. Will he EU do the same?
The ball is well and truly in their court now.
Maybe they will just come out a say that they never intended doing a deal and we can just get on with leaving.

[Jack Staff]

A speech that will go down in history.

Along with Chamberlain in 1938, Eden in 1956 & Callaghan in 1979.

[barney]

Why ? I'm no lover of TM but that was quite impressive.
Yesterday the EU spoke tough.
Today May spoke tougher.

After the EU intentionally humiliating her, she's fought back.

Tusk's tweet and Junckers comments were disgraceful by any diplomatic means.
It was the sort of thing that you'd expect from Trump.

Your intense love of all things EU is frankly embarrassing Jack.
It's indefensible.

[Ray Scully]

Tusk's tweet and Junckers comments were disgraceful by any diplomatic means.
It was the sort of thing that you'd expect from Trump.

But Barney is not the Donald to be our new best friend when we crash out of the EU, and will give us the map guiding us to the 'sunny uplands.

But seriously, I don't see any compromise, both sides have intractable positions, So, Its all about taking the best advice to ensure that I can minimise the financial losses which will abound

[Manoverboard]

Tusk's tweet and Junckers comments were disgraceful by any diplomatic means.
It was the sort of thing that you'd expect from Trump.

But Barney is not the Donald to be our new best friend when we crash out of the EU, and will give us the map guiding us to the 'sunny uplands.

But seriously, I don't see any compromise, both sides have intractable positions, So, Its all about taking the best advice to ensure that I can minimise the financial losses which will abound

Come now, it's not all about you old chap

[Ray Scully]

Tusk's tweet and Junckers comments were disgraceful by any diplomatic means.
It was the sort of thing that you'd expect from Trump.

But Barney is not the Donald to be our new best friend when we crash out of the EU, and will give us the map guiding us to the 'sunny uplands.

But seriously, I don't see any compromise, both sides have intractable positions, So, Its all about taking the best advice to ensure that I can minimise the financial losses which will abound

Come now, it's not all about you old chap

Moby at this point that is all it is about, me and my family.

[Onelife]

Mighty impressive speech by our prime minister Theresa May.

Whilst l respect the views of those who think Theresa May should step aside l still maintain she has a tight grip on where she wants Brexit to go and will get us there, with or without the EU.

[Stephen]

She needs to get a bit more back bone though Keith and start putting those jumped up pompous Buffoons at Brussels in they're place.

[barney]

Tusk's tweet and Junckers comments were disgraceful by any diplomatic means.
It was the sort of thing that you'd expect from Trump.

But Barney is not the Donald to be our new best friend when we crash out of the EU, and will give us the map guiding us to the 'sunny uplands.

But seriously, I don't see any compromise, both sides have intractable positions, So, Its all about taking the best advice to ensure that I can minimise the financial losses which will abound

Not at all Ray.

Countries do trade with other countries, not with temporary leaders.

I agree that it will nigh on impossible to find a compromise.
Mays chequers proposal is the worst of all worlds for the Brexiteers.
A compromise could be the proposal of a straightforward trade agreement, as the EU have done with South Korea and Canada, although the Canadian one is still awiting ratification.
That probably wouldn't satisfy the Remainers.
As I've said all along, it's best if we just leave and then start talking deals, not the other way around.

[oldbluefox]

Not sure I would trust Trump but would I trust Barack 'You'll go to the back of the queue if you vote Brexit' Obama. 'Errr not the result you hoped for Call Me Dave. No I've changed my mind we will still trade with you as before!!!'

The EU have already suggested a Canada ++ agreement. Why is May complicating everything unless it's to pacify the Remainers?

Nice to see Ray thinking merely about himself and his family. I was thinking more about the future direction of the country, and that does not include being perpetually tied to the apron strings of the EU.

Interesting comment from Geoffrey Archer following a visit he made to the north. He said he voted Remain but if he lived in the north and realised the difference in living standards he too would have voted to leave. Sounds like a case of the Haves vs the Have Nots.

[Ray Scully]

Nice to see Ray thinking merely about himself and his family. I was thinking more about the future direction of the country, and that does not include being perpetually tied to the apron strings of the EU.

OBF Having lost all faith in a credible future following Brexit, that is all that I am left with

Not my usual style, as for most of my life I have been involved in providing for and assisting others, mostly on a voluntary basis.

[barney]

Never having ventured to The North, I wouldn't know that

One thing that I do know is that the UK has been massively disrespected and we are unlikely to forgive that quickly.

Tusk is the Polish equivalent to Tony Blair.
Massively despised and rejected in his own country, but has carved a niche for himself as President of something or other at the EU.
Juncker was in charge of Luxembourg.
Yep !
Mighty Luxembourg.
Population about 400K and a well known haven for tax dodgers.

What Tusk and Juncker and Macron for that matter seem to forget so conveniently, is that if it wasn't for the troublesome UK and it's Commonwealth allies, along with the USA, they would all be speaking German now and the EU would never have existed.

The EU has shown itself up for what it really is.
A protective talking shop, looking after the interests of a largely unelected elite.

Many people who voted remain will no doubt be asking themselves if they would wish to be associated with such a despicable organisation.

[Jack Staff]

Never having ventured to The North, I wouldn't know that

One thing that I do know is that the UK has been massively disrespected and we are unlikely to forgive that quickly.

Oh yes, May’s Government has showered the EU with respect over the last two years.
Go whistle, liberation, white flags, independence, citizens of nowhere spring to mind.
Minister for Brexit treating Barnier with disdain.
Our government’s approach has been abominable.

Tusk is the Polish equivalent to Tony Blair.
Massively despised and rejected in his own country, but has carved a niche for himself as President of something or other at the EU.
Juncker was in charge of Luxembourg.
Yep !
Mighty Luxembourg.
Population about 400K and a well known haven for tax dodgers.

What Tusk and Juncker and Macron for that matter seem to forget so conveniently, is that if it wasn't for the troublesome UK and it's Commonwealth allies, along with the USA, they would all be speaking German now and the EU would never have existed.

You seem to have conveniently forgotten the 20 million Russian dead.

The EU has shown itself up for what it really is.
A protective talking shop, looking after the interests of a largely unelected elite.

Just who is unelected Barney?

Many people who voted remain will no doubt be asking themselves if they would wish to be associated with such a despicable organisation.

Many people who voted remain will no doubt be asking themselves if they would wish to be associated with such a despicable Government as ours.

[barney]

Your Anti-British credentials are long established on this forum.
Stockholm Syndrome is a recognised condition but is treatable.

Once again you appear out of step with the majority who have condemned this move by the EU.
The world press have vilified them for this tactic.

If we get back to the facts of the matter, the UK has now offered numerous alternatives to the EU.
The EU have rejected them all out of hand.
The latest slight is that Chequers (which I don't like by the way) compromises the single market.
So, my question is, how?
Surely these 'top negotiators' are obliged to explain to the world why this would be the case.

It took the EU five hours to rustle up a vague statement about all being friends and such rubbish.
They were clearly caught on the hop and tried to blame May for her aggressive stance.
Please !
Do me a favour!
They we not expecting her reaction?
What did they expect when they publicly humiliate the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, both financially and militarily.
Did they think that we would roll over and have our tummy tickled?
They have seriously underestimated the British is that is the case.

The EU have given the illusion that there is a negotiation to be done, when in reality, they have and never have had any intention of negotiating anything with the UK.
It seems to me that it is either accept what is on offer I.E. a Norway deal or no deal.
By now, they expected the UK to capitulate, as all other countries have done.
This is clearly not going to happen.
There is no saviour for the remainers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ith-brexit

That is why millions are happy to accept leaving and trading on standard third country terms.

Once we are fully out and the world hasn't collapsed, we can then negotiate in good faith on both sides.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... heresa-may

I know this is from the Express so is easily discounted, but there is a fair element of truth in it.
The UK is a major customer of some EU countries and they have much to lose.

I wonder how the Irish will eventually feel towards the EU, for throwing them under the bus financially, for the sake of their political ambitions.
Maybe they can compensate them from this new enormous EU budget.
"Beef exports, some 50 per cent of which go to the UK, grew by 5 per cent to €2.5 billion, making beef the largest single component of the State’s food trade."

PS, please feel free to dissect line by line

[Jack Staff]

Your Anti-British credentials are long established on this forum.
Stockholm Syndrome is a recognised condition but is treatable.

Once again you appear out of step with the majority who have condemned this move by the EU.
The world press have vilified them for this tactic.

If we get back to the facts of the matter, the UK has now offered numerous alternatives to the EU.
The EU have rejected them all out of hand.
The latest slight is that Chequers (which I don't like by the way) compromises the single market.
So, my question is, how?
Surely these 'top negotiators' are obliged to explain to the world why this would be the case.

It took the EU five hours to rustle up a vague statement about all being friends and such rubbish.
They were clearly caught on the hop and tried to blame May for her aggressive stance.
Please !
Do me a favour!
They we not expecting her reaction?
What did they expect when they publicly humiliate the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, both financially and militarily.
Did they think that we would roll over and have our tummy tickled?
They have seriously underestimated the British is that is the case.

The EU have given the illusion that there is a negotiation to be done, when in reality, they have and never have had any intention of negotiating anything with the UK.
It seems to me that it is either accept what is on offer I.E. a Norway deal or no deal.
By now, they expected the UK to capitulate, as all other countries have done.
This is clearly not going to happen.
There is no saviour for the remainers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ith-brexit

That is why millions are happy to accept leaving and trading on standard third country terms.

Once we are fully out and the world hasn't collapsed, we can then negotiate in good faith on both sides.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... heresa-may

I know this is from the Express so is easily discounted, but there is a fair element of truth in it.
The UK is a major customer of some EU countries and they have much to lose.

I wonder how the Irish will eventually feel towards the EU, for throwing them under the bus financially, for the sake of their political ambitions.
Maybe they can compensate them from this new enormous EU budget.
"Beef exports, some 50 per cent of which go to the UK, grew by 5 per cent to €2.5 billion, making beef the largest single component of the State’s food trade."

PS, please feel free to dissect line by line

Brexiters are destroying this country's standing in the world, making us a laughing stock. Indeed you are destroying this country, with the loss of its' component nations and territories.


How dare you call me anti-British.

[Onelife]

Your Anti-British credentials are long established on this forum.
Stockholm Syndrome is a recognised condition but is treatable.

Once again you appear out of step with the majority who have condemned this move by the EU.
The world press have vilified them for this tactic.

If we get back to the facts of the matter, the UK has now offered numerous alternatives to the EU.
The EU have rejected them all out of hand.
The latest slight is that Chequers (which I don't like by the way) compromises the single market.
So, my question is, how?
Surely these 'top negotiators' are obliged to explain to the world why this would be the case.

It took the EU five hours to rustle up a vague statement about all being friends and such rubbish.
They were clearly caught on the hop and tried to blame May for her aggressive stance.
Please !
Do me a favour!
They we not expecting her reaction?
What did they expect when they publicly humiliate the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, both financially and militarily.
Did they think that we would roll over and have our tummy tickled?
They have seriously underestimated the British is that is the case.

The EU have given the illusion that there is a negotiation to be done, when in reality, they have and never have had any intention of negotiating anything with the UK.
It seems to me that it is either accept what is on offer I.E. a Norway deal or no deal.
By now, they expected the UK to capitulate, as all other countries have done.
This is clearly not going to happen.
There is no saviour for the remainers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ith-brexit

That is why millions are happy to accept leaving and trading on standard third country terms.

Once we are fully out and the world hasn't collapsed, we can then negotiate in good faith on both sides.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... heresa-may

I know this is from the Express so is easily discounted, but there is a fair element of truth in it.
The UK is a major customer of some EU countries and they have much to lose.

I wonder how the Irish will eventually feel towards the EU, for throwing them under the bus financially, for the sake of their political ambitions.
Maybe they can compensate them from this new enormous EU budget.
"Beef exports, some 50 per cent of which go to the UK, grew by 5 per cent to €2.5 billion, making beef the largest single component of the State’s food trade."

PS, please feel free to dissect line by line

Excellent post Barney, not so sure about our Jack being anti-british but as long as he keeps his anti-brexit views to this forum they'll be no harm done

[Jack Staff]

Excellent post Barney, not so sure about our Jack being anti-british but as long as he keeps his anti-brexit views to this forum they'll be no harm done

Harm has been done.

[Ray Scully]

UPDATE

Well I am getting some good advice as to where to put my 'spare cash' in the event of a looming hard Brexit. Not surprisingly others are making similar decisions. Interestingly, with shrewd informed investing, a hard Brexit could be a nice little earner.

[Onelife]

UPDATE

Well I am getting some good advice as to where to put my 'spare cash' in the event of a looming hard Brexit. Not surprisingly others are making similar decisions. Interestingly, with shrewd informed investing, a hard Brexit could be a nice little earner.

Hi Ray, its your best mate Keith here........where should l be putting my money?