Brexit

[oldbluefox]

And by your own logic your Remainers are even more outnumbered by those who didn't vote to stay. There is no logic in assuming those who couldn't be bothered to vote, chose not to vote, were unable to vote or were ineligible to vote were aligned with one side or the other. In particular any Remainers who chose not to vote only have themselves to blame if they don't like the outcome.

I have heard this argument used before by those who are deluded and desperate to find a reason why their argument was lost. Amazing that the arguments are still going on whilst they struggle to accept the outcome.

[Stephen]

Who remembers the 'Magic Roundabout'!

[Jack Staff]

Who remembers the 'Magic Roundabout'!

Yes, as nobody is able to answer the simple question "What Leave claim was not a lie?"

Lets move on.

DUP Irish border anyone?

[david63]

Whether any of us like it or not Brexit is going to happen. I stand more chance of winning the Lottery on Saturday than Brexit not happening.

It has been obvious from the start what the deal will be - we will pay into the EU coffers approximately the same that we are paying now for access to the Single Market/Customs Union which will come with strings attached (mostly the strings that we have now) and without the ability to influence any future decisions.

The world will still go round, the UK will survive and every problem that UK government/economy encounters for the next 20 years will be blamed on Brexit.

[towny44]

I have to disagree with you David, IMO there is no way that the Govt can agree to stay in the single market or the customs union with the ECJ continuing to have the final say in all our trading relations. There would be uproar and rebellion if that was proposed.

[david63]

I have to disagree with you David, IMO there is no way that the Govt can agree to stay in the single market or the customs union with the ECJ continuing to have the final say in all our trading relations. There would be uproar and rebellion if that was proposed.

Did I say that the deal would be accepted?

[Stephen]

Is there any point in this thread continuing. All we seem to be doing is going round in circles saying the same old thing and trying to score points off each other.

LIike it or not we are leaving the EU and what will be will be. end of.

[screwy]

Well said Stephen, time to lock it Mod.

[Jack Staff]

Is there any point in this thread continuing. All we seem to be doing is going round in circles saying the same old thing and trying to score points off each other.

LIike it or not we are leaving the EU and what will be will be. end of.

An interesting idea. Shutting down any discussion that does not fit the narrative. Where are we, China?

But more importantly, I think this and it's predecessor are the most busy on the site.
This traffic is counted by search engines.
While these threads may not attract new members (me being the exception perhaps), the search engine results do.

[oldbluefox]

I see no problem with the topic.
My view is to leave it open for those who want to continue the spiral and those who are curious but if anybody is fed up with it just don't post. Simple,
Personally the more I read from Jack and friend(s) the more convinced I am that I made a good decision in voting to leave. I also know that whatever I say Jack will never agree.
As Newton says 'For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction' (or something like that!).

[Jack Staff]

whatever I say Jack will never agree.

Oh yes I will!

[oldbluefox]

whatever I say Jack will never agree.

Oh yes I will!

Point proven!!!

[towny44]

whatever I say Jack will never agree.

Oh yes I will!

Point proven!!!

Good to know the pantomime season is almost upon us, at least that seems to be one British tradition that Jack likes.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I hope this thread stays open if only to keep others Brexit free so those who are bored with the topic can avoid.

[towny44]

An interesting article about Brexit and the baby boomers from Tom Uttley in today's mail, now I doubt that Jack and Ray will agree with any of it but it ticked most of my boxes about why I voted leave.

Just a further thought about the euro and the protectionist policy of the EU, my view on why the euro came about is that the Germans were getting fed up and a little afraid with the Med countries continually devaluing and thus undercutting German sales prices, especially in the automotive sector. The ERM certainly seemed to bring the Spanish car industry to its knees and paved the way for VW to take over SEAT, and then later Skoda as well.
You see Jack we Brexiteers can come up with our own conspiracy theories.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... wrong.html

[Manoverboard]

I won't be ' Locking ' it ... so if it's not liked then ignore it, simples.

Over to you Jack for a contradiction

[Jack Staff]

Only one Daily Fail story I'm interested in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42177916

[Jack Staff]

I won't be ' Locking ' it ... so if it's not liked then ignore it, simples.

Over to you Jack for a contradiction

You put me in a tricky situation there!

[towny44]

Only one Daily Fail story I'm interested in...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42177916

I am rather surprised that DMGT figures in your share portfolio Jack!

[Manoverboard]

I would however add that if any references are made to Brexit on any other Topics such comments will be deleted.

[Ray B]

Issue 1. The bus said that we send £350 million a week to the EU - technically untrue agreed because of rebates etc - but it never said that the government would spend it on the NHS.

There was a lot of alluding to the money being used in the NHS which suckered a lot of support for it. Mugs.

[oldbluefox]

Issue 1. The bus said that we send £350 million a week to the EU - technically untrue agreed because of rebates etc - but it never said that the government would spend it on the NHS.

There was a lot of alluding to the money being used in the NHS which suckered a lot of support for it. Mugs.

Whatever is said to the contrary it appears it is only the Remoaners who believed it considering how often they quote it. Some need a good dose of realism but I know they can twist any argument around to suit their deluded and desperate opinions.

[towny44]

I agree Foxy, the £350m was always the total savings and even that was disputed, so anyone who thought the Govt should commit it all to the NHS was a few shillings short of the full pound, which does not say much for the intelligence of the average remainer.

[Jack Staff]

We all know that politicians, of any colour, only really care about getting/retaining power (and the money/benefits it brings).
To stay in power the Conservatives must sort the NI border problem. I think these are the options.

If they create a hard border, they lose the support of the DUP and therefore lose power in Westminster.

If they create a soft border (probably not possible according to DeXEU), to retain DUP support (maybe), they leave an open border to smugglers and immigrants to just stroll on into the UK. Not popular with the taxman and Leave voters and therefore they lose power in Westminster.

If they create no border and say let the Irish/EU sort it, it rules out us trading on WTO rules as it is a requirement. Not possible.

If they make NI a 'special case' and it stays in the customs union/free trade area, they lose the support of the DUP and therefore lose power in Westminster.

Alternatively, the whole UK stays in the CU/FTA and they just hope to pull in enough Remain votes to stay in power.

Have I missed any?

[barney]

Last month it was all about the money.

This month it's all about Ireland.

Next month it will all be about the ECJ and EU citizens rights.

Then if by some miracle, all is agreed by the EU 'negotiators, it still has to be ratified by all 27 AND the European Parliament.

It would be easier trying to knit wire wool.

This is exactly why the useless government should never have agreed to these upfront terms.

We should simply leave in 2019, and then discuss any trade deals.

If that takes ten years, so what?

Nearly all of the world trades on WTO, why should the UK be any different.

The EU can then continue exporting to the UK under WTO terms and the UK can continue exporting to the EU under WTO terms.
I cannot for the life of me see what's so difficult about that.

And at the risk of sounding very flippant, I couldn't give a monkeys about the impact on the Irish economy.
They have hardly been a friendly face among all this, have they?
They have chucked their hat in with the EU and will soon realise that they will become sacrificial lambs to the 'project'