Brexit

[Ray Scully]

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Remainers should be getting behind the chequers deal...why?...because while we are being held ransom in the EU you remainers will have more time to keep us in.....Once out, we are out for good.....think a #bout it Jack.
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as should JRM and his band of 'cliff edge' extremists.

[oldbluefox]

I expect Osborne, Cameron, Clegg, Bliar and Major would agree with you, Ray. Now there's a bunch of bandits if ever there was one. Thank you very much I would rather stick with JRM & Co over that lot any day.
Of course anybody feeling strongly enough over Brexit has two political parties who are pro Remain so we should see their ranks swelled quite significantly. I must say I haven't noticed anything of note as yet but maybe those with sore feet will be signing up shortly.

[Ray Scully]

I expect Osborne, Cameron, Clegg, Bliar and Major would agree with you, Ray. Now there's a bunch of bandits if ever there was one. Thank you very much I would rather stick with JRM & Co over that lot any day.
Of course anybody feeling strongly enough over Brexit has two political parties who are pro Remain so we should see their ranks swelled quite significantly. I must say I haven't noticed anything of note as yet but maybe those with sore feet will be signing up shortly.

OBF I give in! I would have more success in getting an ardent Man U supporter to support Liverpool than an ideologically motivated Brexit supporter to change their view

[Jack Staff]

Hi Jack.....you won't get any sympathy from me for your pointless sore feet stroll around London.

So you were marching for a final say on the brexit deal....how bl**dy stupid was that..... how many times do you need to be told Jack "the lady ain't for moving"

P.s Epsom salts work well for sore feet.

I don't want your sympathy. Being with over half a million people who hold proper British values is more than enough to cure sore feet.

I'm all for British values Jack which is why l voted for Brexit...its just a shame remainers like you don't respect our British democratic processes.

It is you who doesn't respect "our British democratic processes". Until we get the dictatorship that you seem to want it is my right, in the British democracy, to fight for the future of my country.

Remainers should be getting behind the chequers deal...why?...

Because it's not as bad as full blown Brexit? No.
Any Brexit is toxic.

because while we are being held ransom in the EU

Get a grip.

you remainers will have more time to keep us in.....Once out, we are out for good.....think a out it Jack.

We will rejoin the EU again if we do leave. Brexit is and always was a failure.

[towny44]

I expect Osborne, Cameron, Clegg, Bliar and Major would agree with you, Ray. Now there's a bunch of bandits if ever there was one. Thank you very much I would rather stick with JRM & Co over that lot any day.
Of course anybody feeling strongly enough over Brexit has two political parties who are pro Remain so we should see their ranks swelled quite significantly. I must say I haven't noticed anything of note as yet but maybe those with sore feet will be signing up shortly.

OBF I give in! I would have more success in getting an ardent Man U supporter to support Liverpool than an ideologically motivated Brexit supporter to change their view

In my case it is definitely not ideology, just plain common sense. When you are on a bus travelling mainly in the wrong direction you need to get off at the earliest possibility so you can get back on the right track ASAP.

[Ray Scully]

I expect Osborne, Cameron, Clegg, Bliar and Major would agree with you, Ray. Now there's a bunch of bandits if ever there was one. Thank you very much I would rather stick with JRM & Co over that lot any day.
Of course anybody feeling strongly enough over Brexit has two political parties who are pro Remain so we should see their ranks swelled quite significantly. I must say I haven't noticed anything of note as yet but maybe those with sore feet will be signing up shortly.

OBF I give in! I would have more success in getting an ardent Man U supporter to support Liverpool than an ideologically motivated Brexit supporter to change their view

In my case it is definitely not ideology, just plain common sense. When you are on a bus travelling mainly in the wrong direction you need to get off at the earliest possibility so you can get back on the right track ASAP.

But John as to whether the bus is going in the correct direction depends on what you see as the destination.

[oldbluefox]

Certainly the bus heading in the direction of a federal Europe, led by people we did not vote in and can't vote out, is not the one I want to be sitting on. I don't think the unemployed youth of certain European countries want to be on it either.
But hey! Everything is hunky-dory in the fantasy which is the EU, a failing social project.
I am presuming a Federal Europe, dominated largely by France and Germany, is exactly what the Remainers want, is it?

[Gill W]

In my case it is definitely not ideology, just plain common sense. When you are on a bus travelling mainly in the wrong direction you need to get off at the earliest possibility so you can get back on the right track ASAP.

I know I said I wasn't going to post, but you are making me do it!

If you are on a bus heading towards a cliff edge you also get off at the earliest opportunity!

[Ray Scully]

In my case it is definitely not ideology, just plain common sense. When you are on a bus travelling mainly in the wrong direction you need to get off at the earliest possibility so you can get back on the right track ASAP.

I know I said I wasn't going to post, but you are making me do it!

If you are on a bus heading towards a cliff edge you also get off at the earliest opportunity!

Gill What would happen to the Brexit driver would be of little concern. It would be the effects on the unsuspecting passengers that would worry me

[towny44]

In my case it is definitely not ideology, just plain common sense. When you are on a bus travelling mainly in the wrong direction you need to get off at the earliest possibility so you can get back on the right track ASAP.

I know I said I wasn't going to post, but you are making me do it!

If you are on a bus heading towards a cliff edge you also get off at the earliest opportunity!

If the suicide terrorist driving the bus was JCJ then you might have a point Gill.

[barney]

As I've said on numerous occasions, it all about the money.
Text below is copy and pasted from a US site.

“A top US regulator has threatened to prevent European banks from accessing US futures markets over EU plans for the oversight of clearing houses after Brexit.

Speaking at the Futures and Options Expo in Chicago, Christopher Giancarlo, head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, called the EU plans to amend European Market Infrastructure Regulation “unprecedented and wholly unacceptable” and warned they could create “costly burdensome regulatory requirements” in the US.
Mr Giancarlo said that if the EU did not change the existing plans he would have “no choice” but to select from a wide range of actions that includes barring EU banks from using US financial infrastructure such as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

“These are blunt and strong tools”, he said. “We are fully aware of the devastating impact they would have on market access and trading liquidity provision on national markets in which they would be applied.”
Mr Giancarlo added that was keen to negotiate changes to the planned EMIR amendments: “I am ready to jump on even more planes, trains, and automobiles bound for any European capital to work out a sensible approach.”

The tussle for control of a serious chunk of the clearing market has emerged as one of Brexit’s key battlegrounds.
London is the focal point for clearing derivatives in the US dollar and the euro, but the European authorities want all activity in euros to take place within the EU after Brexit.

Some 90pc of the EU-based firms use the UK for interest rate swaps, one of the most common forms of derivative contract.
Earlier this month, the Bank of England warned that up to £41tn of derivatives contracts maturing after Brexit are at risk unless European officials urgently address regulatory uncertainty.

It said the EU had made only “limited progress” on the crucial issue of regulating crossborder derivatives contracts and warned that the status of these contracts can only be resolved by rapid action from the European Commission.“


In a nutshell I the EU's hurry to 'punish' the UK for leaving, they are unexpectedly leaving European business very exposed when trying to raise finance.
By asserting that after Brexit, only EU countries can clear Euro derivatives they are taking themselves down the route of the Indian Rupee.

Another unintended consequence Mr. Barnier
The politicians should really stop interfering with things that they know nothing about.

The clock is ticking !

[Ray Scully]

If as seems to be increasingly likely PM May gets the boot, who within the Tory party has the required negotiating skills to replace her and make a success of the Brexit negotiations, being mindful that the negotiations will still be on two fronts.

[barney]

I reckon that she could be gone by the end of this week Ray.
I'm surprised that she has hung on thus far.

As for her successor ?
No idea really !
Whoever it is should change the tone immediately.
She has rolled over once too many times to be taken seriously.

Any 'negotiation' skills are totally un-necessary as the EU have shown no inclination to negotiate anything.

If the EU don't want free access to the market of the fifth richest country in the world, then they can go hang as far as I'm concerned.
It's their loss.

[Ray Scully]

Sadly Barney we will also take some losses, mainly affecting those unable to take the hit

As for no obvious replacement for Mrs. May, who would want the poisoned chalice? Why not JRM putting his money where his mouth is

[barney]

Sadly Barney we will also take some losses, mainly affecting those unable to take the hit

As for no obvious replacement for Mrs. May, who would want the poisoned chalice? Why not JRM putting his money where his mouth is

That is conjecture and speculation, unless of course you have a crystal ball Ray.

Nobody can say exactly what the future holds either way.

I deal in fact ( and opinion)

The facts are that the UK economy is inconveniently strong, despite the 'predictions' of the doom and gloom merchants.
Unemployment is historically low.
Inflation is pretty much on target.
Business is generally doing well.
These are actual facts.
Unemployment in the UK is 4% against the EU average of 7%

Maybe things will go down hill after we leave.
Maybe they will get better.
No one really knows at this stage.

But why let a few silly facts get in the way of rhetoric.

[Ray Scully]

Barney I hope all goes well and I have got it all wrong. Anyway!! you have not given me a name for the PM's replacement.

[Stephen]

The Kleenex snowflake issue has been solved. Available March 29th. Read and weep

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[Ray Scully]

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Came today ready for our Caribbean cruise at the end of the year

[oldbluefox]

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Came today ready for our Caribbean cruise at the end of the year

Would that be the new 'UK in Federal Europe' flag which we voted to decline?

[Ray Scully]

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Came today ready for our Caribbean cruise at the end of the year

Would that be the new 'UK in Federal Europe' flag which we voted to decline?

Not a clue

[towny44]

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Came today ready for our Caribbean cruise at the end of the year

Would that be the new 'UK in Federal Europe' flag which we voted to decline?

Not a clue

It looks more like the EU as a subservient part of the UK, which I would be more than happy to adopt.

[barney]

Project Fear is going into over drive
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-dayl ... est-of-uk/

More likely that northern and southern Ireland will be on different time zones.

I'm expecting any day now that the EU will dictate that Ireland will have to change to left hand drive.

Can you imagine the Dublin financial centre closing one hour ahead of London?
That would go down well in Ireland.

The EU is hanging Ireland out to dry and they will realise too late.

However, many still think that all is wonderful in the land of milk and honey

[Jack Staff]

Project Fear is going into over drive
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-dayl ... est-of-uk/

More likely that northern and southern Ireland will be on different time zones.

It's a good idea. We even tried it in the early 70's.
It's what you wanted, it's what you voted for, we can now do whatever we want with 'our' time.
The problem arises in that due to Brexit we will no longer have a say in what the EU does.

I'm expecting any day now that the EU will dictate that Ireland will have to change to left hand drive.

If you are expecting that, then it does expose your lack of knowledge of other EU countries like Malta and Cyprus.

Can you imagine the Dublin financial centre closing one hour ahead of London?
That would go down well in Ireland.

Can you imagine the London financial centre opening one hour behind of Dublin?

The EU is hanging Ireland out to dry and they will realise too late.

Blaming the EU for our vote to leave? Brexiters need to accept the damage they are doing to not only their own country but how this will affect relations in their brave new world.

However, many still think that all is wonderful in the land of milk and honey

However, many still think they can come up with utter tosh, to try and hold on to their Brexit fantasy.

[barney]

Oh give us a break Jack

You are obviously nearing desperation point.

It's a plain as the nose on your face that the EU have taken a gamble on the UK changing it's mind and the gamble has failed.

So, it's now time for them to get down to some serious talking.
It's just a shame that they didn't do this eighteen months ago.
it should all have been sorted by now, one way or the other.

However, there is still hope for you
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-br ... may-2018-3

All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.
Maybe move to scotland, as the SNP certainly will.

[Jack Staff]

Oh give us a break Jack

I think you might get bored if I did.

You are obviously nearing desperation point.

Well yes, everyday this goes on, more and more damage is being done to my country and its' reputation.

It's a plain as the nose on your face that the EU have taken a gamble on the UK changing it's mind and the gamble has failed.

I rather think it is us that has taken a gamble and failed.
The British Brexiters thought the EU would just cave in. They haven't.

So, it's now time for them to get down to some serious talking.
It's just a shame that they didn't do this eighteen months ago.
it should all have been sorted by now, one way or the other.

But eighteen months ago we did not know what we wanted. How could the EU respond?
The real demise of Brexit will be that even today we still can't decide what we want.

However, there is still hope for you
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-br ... may-2018-3

Haven't I always said that if we do leave, we will rejoin? Brexit is a failed and costly enterprise. The real end of Empire and the influence of the UK in the modern world.

All you've now got to do is find a political party that is willing to put this in their manifesto.

The party that does will be the next government. (I assume we are only talking Con/Lab here).

Maybe move to scotland, as the SNP certainly will.

So even you think that Brexit will lead to the end of the United Kingdom?