Woolwich Attack

[Kendhni]

I feel sorry for the surgeons, doctors and nurses who have no choice but to help theses scumbags recover from their injuries....

Dunno about that .... it only takes a little flick of the wrist to reduce the amount of pain killers to virtually nothing ... oh dear, what a shame.



David, I agree with your idea of sending them to the country they claim to be fighting for .. introduce them to the Taliban who will probably strap explosives to them and allow them to be suicide bombers ... unfortunately that will probably mean more innocent, men, women and children will get hurt.

[david63]

I was thinking more along the lines of them being used as human bomb detectors - I know that it is possible that they may loose a few limbs doing that, but that would be better than our lads loosing theirs.

[Kendhni]

I now have visions of someone on an extending lead, leaning back with a finger in each ear and one leg extended and using the foot to tap the ground in front of them

[Silver_Shiney]

I was thinking more along the lines of them being used as human bomb detectors - I know that it is possible that they may loose a few limbs doing that, but that would be better than our lads loosing theirs.

sounds reasonable to me....

Dunno about that .... it only takes a little flick of the wrist to reduce the amount of pain killers to virtually nothing ... oh dear, what a shame.

one aspirin every other day should do it.....

[Dancing Queen]

This has absolutely appalled me, it's just a shame the police didn't take them out properly when they had the chance, prison will certainly be too good for them.

I hope they rot in hell.

[Silver_Shiney]

Jo, I'm glad the police did not kill them - they've now been denied the martyrdom and "hero worship" the deluded would have given them.

[david63]

Some of the reports that I have heard were actually saying that, unlike some other countries, our police are trained to not kill but to immobilise.

As for them going into prison I suspect that will not be a very welcoming place as I should imagine that even the most hardened of criminals will be repulsed by what they did.

[Silver_Shiney]

Some of the reports that I have heard were actually saying that, unlike some other countries, our police are trained to not kill but to immobilise.

As for them going into prison I suspect that will not be a very welcoming place as I should imagine that even the most hardened of criminals will be repulsed by what they did.

You cannot shoot to immobilise. To begin with, you'd be aiming at a much smaller target, so the chances of missing altogether (and possibly hitting an innocent victim) are much higher. Secondly, chances are high that the target would still be able to shoot back or detonate a bomb. No, you shoot to kill, aiming at the centre of the chest, the largest target area. If he survives, and can then face justice, bonus. If he dies, no loss.

[karenandbob]

I agree with Silver Shiney - if the police had shot them (which is what they wanted) they would have been made maytrs. They and all their ilk should be sent back to their own countries, and these men should be sent to Afghanistan, I am sure our brave soldiers out there would be so PLEASED to see them!!! Why should we pay for them to be imprisoned in this country.

[Mo2013]

I'm not sure that people realise that at least one of these killers is of Nigerian descent but BRITISH born, to devout Christian parents.

It is a shocking horrible thing that has happened and I hope that Muslim leaders will band together to rout out the teachers of hate and deal with them as they see fit because they bringing shame and disgrace upon the Islam faith. Rightly or wrongly, Britain has involved itself in things and therefore this country and its servicemen have become a target. Islam is a religion of peace but British soldiers have killed Muslims and in their minds some Muslims will consider themselves at war, and Jihad (holy war) justifies them in killing 'the infidel'. Just as the Bible states 'an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth, they have taken that as read. How do you deal with this extremism? On this thread people have expressed hatred and a wish for the men to be tortured by being used as human bomb detectors. How brutal, savage and inhuman are those thoughts from civilised, well adjusted people? Food for thought.

[david63]

I'm not sure that people realise that at least one of these killers is of Nigerian descent but BRITISH born, to devout Christian parents.

I cannot speak for anyone else but yes I am fully aware of that fact.

On this thread people have expressed hatred and a wish for the men to be tortured by being used as human bomb detectors. How brutal, savage and inhuman are those thoughts from civilised, well adjusted people?

I cannot see where anyone has used the term "tortured" - but I agree that the thoughts may be considered brutal and inhuman by some however that scenario will be a lot more humane, and shorter, than being sent to prison for the rest of their lives which, if they live that long, is what will happen to them.

[Onelife]

Mo2103

If it is an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth then our armed police need to brush up on their shooting skills... they missed!!

[AngieT]

I am quite surprised at the media showing the footage of the terrorists after the slaughter of this poor young man - surprised for several reasons but mainly for the fact that they will now have barristers (if they get to court) who will argue that their clients can't get a fair hearing because of the media coverage! We don't want to hand them a defence on a plate.

They may also want to claim that a racial crime was perpetrated against them by having a FEMALE police officer shoot them - how demeaning was that for those who hold females as the lowest form of living being?

Along with feeling thoroughly shocked & upset by this atrocity I also feel very scared for all our fine young members of the Armed Forces who put their lives on the line in combat & should be able to feel safe in their own country. My nephew is home on leave from the army this weekend & he told us that they have been warned not to wear anything in public that marks them out as being in the forces. Firstly - why should they have to hide what they do when they & we are all proud of their service to this country - by trying to hide it, these Muslim fanatics are scoring a point against us. Secondly - it's hard to hide what they are - my nephew looks & has the stature of the proud, fit, professional soldier that he is so whatever he wears won't make a difference. We unfortunately live in an area next to where some of the 7/7 bombers lived so does that now mean we have to hide the fact that a young squaddie lives here in case he gets targeted? Nowhere will feel safe for them anymore.

[Mo2013]

One would like to think that we British are more civilised than ranting fundamentalists yet people are quite happy to want these men dead one way or another, just as the men want dead those they consider the enemy in a holy war. Both sides want to kill other humans. We needed those men alive to find out if they were working alone and/or have knowledge of any other terrorist activity. Tortured ? Fastening these men to a 'lead' and making them walk in front to inevitably step on a device is not torture? We are supposed to be civilised; thoughts like this are savage but justified in some people's minds.

[Kendhni]

Mo, since you are obviously referring to my post (quelle surprise!) I thought the TIC was so obvious it did not need to be added.

Besides that nobody suggested they should be put on a lead, I just said that following Davids post I had a ridiculous picture in my mind (what is it about people and reading these days) .... I actually thought I was being quite kind by not handcuffing them so that they could put their fingers in their ears.

[HK phooey]

Mo, stop trying to make excuses for the evil scumbags that beheaded one of our soldiers here in England. There is nothing that could happen to them that they wouldn't deserve. Perhaps you could spare a thought for the family of the innocent man that they butchered.

[Mo2013]

Mo, since you are obviously referring to my post (quelle surprise!) I thought the TIC was so obvious it did not need to be added.

Besides that nobody suggested they should be put on a lead, I just said that following Davids post I had a ridiculous picture in my mind (what is it about people and reading these days) .... I actually thought I was being quite kind by not handcuffing them so that they could put their fingers in their ears.

I would have thought you would have enjoyed a reasoned conversation and the fact that you are obviously happy to just find some sick humour in such a situation beggars belief.

[Mo2013]

They murdered one of ours - let's go murder one of theirs ......... someone tell me the difference ......... we've caught two of them, let murder them ....... someone tell me the difference ......

[Manoverboard]

They were guilty of murder ... we should be able to put them on trial and legally execute them.

Our way would be civilised but their way was not ... they deserve to die but the soldier did not.

Several differences actually.

[Mo2013]

If people could get hold of these two men they would tear them apart limb from limb and kill them, making themselves murderers .......... someone tell me what the difference is between murder (believed justified) and murder (believed justified). ?

[Mr-big-bits-mk2]

Just out of curiosity Mo what do you think should become of them ?

[Mo2013]

They were guilty of murder ... we should be able to put them on trial and legally execute them.

Our way would be civilised but their way was not ... they deserve to die but the soldier did not.

Several differences actually.

Taking another's life is murder and murder is murder. They will be tried and punishment will be delivered but some people want to kill these men which makes them no better than, well murderers.

[Kendhni]

Mo, since you are obviously referring to my post (quelle surprise!) I thought the TIC was so obvious it did not need to be added.

Besides that nobody suggested they should be put on a lead, I just said that following Davids post I had a ridiculous picture in my mind (what is it about people and reading these days) .... I actually thought I was being quite kind by not handcuffing them so that they could put their fingers in their ears.

I would have thought you would have enjoyed a reasoned conversation and the fact that you are obviously happy to just find some sick humour in such a situation beggars belief.

I am always up for reasoned conversation, but given the inability of some to read and comprehend and all they want to do is be sanctimonious ... it is getting harder.

This was never going to be a thread of reasoned responses ... but if you want one, they have been arrested by the police at tax payers expense; they will be treated by our NHS at tax payers expense; if they survive they will then be kept on remand in one of our prisons at tax payers expense, they will then go through a trial at tax payers expense, when some lawyer will probably make up some mitigating circumstances and claim heavy handed policing; they will then go to jail at tax payers expense; and that will be the last we hear of them until they have an accident in jail, or have served their time and are released, or some do-gooder tells us that they have realised the error of their ways and are reformed and should be allowed out. That is basically it and what most people expect .. it does not however prevent them form venting and letting off a bit of steam on the internet!

[qbman1]

These two individuals lost any right to compassion when they ran down an innocent man and hacked him to death with machetes and cleavers. What is civilised about that?

[Mo2013]

Just out of curiosity Mo what do you think should become of them ?

I don't know. If you execute them they will become martyrs. But if this country had the death penalty then they should receive the death penalty. What I am talking about is people delivering their own brand of justice which makes them no more civilised than raging extremists. It is interesting to see how little below surface lies barely controlled hatred and venom. So how civilised are we really ? I have been reading about Islam and some who go to extremes believe that they have a God-given right to carry out punishments, including beheading. We have to look to the Muslim community to prevent people from being radicalised and to deal with those who have gone haywire in their teachings.