Next labour leader?

[barney]

She has very little chance John.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Labour doesn’t continue on it’s hard left agenda because they are convinced that they can convince.

I’m more curious to find out if Libdems will continue with their remain stance with a new leader given that they speak for the majority.

[Manoverboard]

The Lib Dems, me thinks, will pursue a SOFT Brexit, an extra penny on Income Tax and Proportional Representation

ps … have no idea who the new Labour leader will be but unlikely to be middle of the road, sadly.

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[Onelife]

Both Libdems and labour's stance on Brexit were party political and had nothing to do with us leaving the EU....people saw through both of them and voted accordingly.

[Onelife]

The Lib Dems, me thinks, will pursue a SOFT Brexit, an extra penny on Income Tax and Proportional Representation

ps … have no idea who the new Labour leader will be but unlikely to be middle of the road, sadly.

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I think you are right Mob......l struggle to get my head around why Rebbeca long-Bailey is being touted as the new labour leader when left wing politics have just witnessed the biggest defeat it has had in years......she would carry on where Corbyn and Mcdonald left off so why her?

Lisa Nancy would at least take the party in a different direction which surly it must do if it wishes to survive as a political party.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Re the electoral system which I see is being brought into question again, by the losers of course (I wonder why they didn't change it when they were the winners? )

We had a referendum about that in 2011 where the status quo won by a big majority.

Voteyref2 anyone? It seems the pattern whenever we have one to demand a rerun.

[oldbluefox]

We had a referendum about that in 2011 where the status quo won by a big majority.

Perhaps we didn't know what we were voting for?

[johnds]

She's Lady Nugee, isnt she, her husband is a high court judge.
That's sounds about right for an MP from Islington.

I didn't realise that about the patronising, smug, self congratulating 'lady'. I suppose taking her title doesn't fit in with her Labour ideology. They wouldn't like to be found out as champagne socialists, now would they? For all their bluster when they were last in power the gap between the rich and the poor got wider. It appears that was conveniently swept under the carpet.

I recall that some time ago Boris referred to her as Lady Nugee in the House of Commons and was
strongly rebuked by a John Bercow ( remember him? )

[oldbluefox]

They said it was sexist but I couldn't see it myself. Seems to me she is happy to be Lady Nugee when it suits her and Emily Thornberry when addressing the common man.Personally I'd rather trust Boris than the likes of her. At least with Boris you know what you're getting.

[Gill W]

She has very little chance John.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Labour doesn’t continue on it’s hard left agenda because they are convinced that they can convince.

I’m more curious to find out if Libdems will continue with their remain stance with a new leader given that they speak for the majority.

Well, it’d be a bit stupid, as we are almost certainly leaving on 31st January.

[Gill W]

I think Keir Starmer has the gravitas to take on Johnson at the dispatch box - That would be interesting viewing.

I also like Jess Phillips. She is forthright, and I think is somebody who genuinely wants to help people.

I'm not sure if the Labour membership has yet realised they need to move away from far left types, in order to appeal to a broader range of people.

The new leader simply cannot be anyone who had too much involvement in the discredited remain campaign, which as we now all have to agree was a disaster and hugely out of step with the majority of voters.

Fortunately, the remain campaign has died a death and the stop Brexit man can take his flags and megaphone back to his cave.

As for the next leader, it will be a Corbynista because Momentum will be doing the selection.

Steve Bray and his megaphone are still active. He appeared to be using it this afternoon to call out Boris Johnson as a liar

[Onelife]

I would imagine both leavers and remainers are sick to the back teeth of listening to this public nuisance spouting what we already know about most politicians.

I, and l dare say most people don't give a fig about what mis- truths he has spouted as long as he gets the job done

[Mervyn and Trish]

A politicIan who lies? Shock horror. Of course no Labour Prime Minister has ever done it?

Dodgy dossier anyone?

I think taking us into a dubious war that has affected our security ever since is more serious than a few exaggerated numbers painted on a bus. And they worry about Boris and Trump!

[Frank Manning]

Interesting to read an article in the Guardian, blaming the Lib Dems for Labours defeat. They just dont get it. As a past Tory voter I can not vote for a party which is so far right of centre. Vote Labour? Much as I sympathise with Jack Straw, Alan Johnson etc I can not vote for closet Marxists currently in control. So I voted Lib Dem even with reservations about their Cancel Brexit/No referendum policy, they were closest to my beliefs. It's just a pity that the media, and the political system does them no favours. We need centrist government, but I fear with Johnson we have no chance of getting it.

[towny44]

Interesting to read an article in the Guardian, blaming the Lib Dems for Labours defeat. They just dont get it. As a past Tory voter I can not vote for a party which is so far right of centre. Vote Labour? Much as I sympathise with Jack Straw, Alan Johnson etc I can not vote for closet Marxists currently in control. So I voted Lib Dem even with reservations about their Cancel Brexit/No referendum policy, they were closest to my beliefs. It's just a pity that the media, and the political system does them no favours. We need centrist government, but I fear with Johnson we have no chance of getting it.

It's all a question of what is centrist Frank, ask Jeremy and his momentum chums and, IMO, he will say state ownership and redistribution of wealth, Boris will probably say ensuring economic growth so that higher tax revenues will pay for better public services, since the LibDems and others have no chance of forming a government they can say what they like. Personally I much prefer the Conservative idea of centrist, but there is room for all points view, as long as they are argued peacefully.

[Frank Manning]

Interesting to read an article in the Guardian, blaming the Lib Dems for Labours defeat. They just dont get it. As a past Tory voter I can not vote for a party which is so far right of centre. Vote Labour? Much as I sympathise with Jack Straw, Alan Johnson etc I can not vote for closet Marxists currently in control. So I voted Lib Dem even with reservations about their Cancel Brexit/No referendum policy, they were closest to my beliefs. It's just a pity that the media, and the political system does them no favours. We need centrist government, but I fear with Johnson we have no chance of getting it.

It's all a question of what is centrist Frank, ask Jeremy and his momentum chums and, IMO, he will say state ownership and redistribution of wealth, Boris will probably say ensuring economic growth so that higher tax revenues will pay for better public services, since the LibDems and others have no chance of forming a government they can say what they like. Personally I much prefer the Conservative idea of centrist, but there is room for all points view, as long as they are argued peacefully.

Well we shall have to disagree John. I know of some centre ground Tories, and some Labour, but not at the top of either party, or among their backers. They dont represent my views. We need proportional representation to balance things imho.

[anniec]

Well we shall have to disagree John. I know of some centre ground Tories, and some Labour, but not at the top of either party, or among their backers. They dont represent my views. We need proportional representation to balance things imho.

Proportional representation would lead to endless hung parliaments, and most of us have had enough of those.

Oh, and many of Johnson's views are pretty much to the centre.

[towny44]

Well we shall have to disagree John. I know of some centre ground Tories, and some Labour, but not at the top of either party, or among their backers. They dont represent my views. We need proportional representation to balance things imho.

Proportional representation would lead to endless hung parliaments, and most of us have had enough of those.

Oh, and many of Johnson's views are pretty much to the centre.

Totally agree Annie, I have flirted with the idea of PR, but when you analyse the possible outcomes, therein lies chaos.
I also agree about Boris being centrist, and I just hope the economy stays buoyant enough for him to bring in all the beneficial changes he is talking about.

[anniec]

A politicIan who lies? Shock horror. Of course no Labour Prime Minister has ever done it?

Dodgy dossier anyone?

I think taking us into a dubious war that has affected our security ever since is more serious than a few exaggerated numbers painted on a bus. And they worry about Boris and Trump!

So do I. Then there's the damage done to the Iraqi people and those in the region.

How Blair and Campbell have the effrontery to lecture us all on decency and truthfulness is one of life's enduring mysteries.