No Smoking on balconies on P & O from April 2014.

[arcadialover]

Now this is where cruiselines could have compromised and banned smoking on balconies between the hours of say 9.00am - 9.00pm, of course there will always be the odd person who insists they want to sit on their balcony and look at the stars and it would spoil their enjoyment but why upset everyone when both sides could quite easily be catered for.

Jo

This is were P&O have shot themselves in the foot, something they seem quite accomplished at these days.
While smokers reluctantly went along with the indoor smoking legislation, I think this is a step too far by the cruise lines. They will lose business, and also have difficulties in policing the system. I am quite sure anyone wanting a cigarette on their balcony will be able to do so, unless it is the intention to install CCTV on each balcony. The Cabin Steward will not say anything for fear of his tip being removed. I think that P&O had a wonderful opportunity to manage the problem and at the same time keeping a marketing advantage with the majority of passengers happy.

I think the opposite could be the case for the cabin steward, if he or she doesn't report it. What if an officer inspects a cabin, as they do and the steward hasn't reported it then I would imagine they would be in trouble.

[Ray Scully]

As miss selling law is one of the legal areas I work in we may well find out but I dont think that P&O would let it go that far. I have the brochure from which we booked the cruise and it clearly says in the you need to know section "smoking is not permitted in cabins or public rooms, but will be permittedon balconies and designated areas of the open deck" Open and shut case I think

But does that part of the brochure actually fall within terms and conditions that you book the cruise under, I don't know I am not a lawyer. I know P&O don't always get it, but surely they have checked this out with their legal team.

Is it just me being cynical or is there a relationship between the announcement and the end of the 5% early bookings discount

[Dancing Queen]

Now this is where cruiselines could have compromised and banned smoking on balconies between the hours of say 9.00am - 9.00pm, of course there will always be the odd person who insists they want to sit on their balcony and look at the stars and it would spoil their enjoyment but why upset everyone when both sides could quite easily be catered for.

Jo

This is were P&O have shot themselves in the foot, something they seem quite accomplished at these days.
While smokers reluctantly went along with the indoor smoking legislation, I think this is a step too far by the cruise lines. They will lose business, and also have difficulties in policing the system. I am quite sure anyone wanting a cigarette on their balcony will be able to do so, unless it is the intention to install CCTV on each balcony. The Cabin Steward will not say anything for fear of his tip being removed. I think that P&O had a wonderful opportunity to manage the problem and at the same time keeping a marketing advantage with the majority of passengers happy.

I think the opposite could be the case for the cabin steward, if he or she doesn't report it. What if an officer inspects a cabin, as they do and the steward hasn't reported it then I would imagine they would be in trouble.

I fail to see if someone smokes on their balcony ( I'm talking the odd cigarette early am or late pm ) when most will be tucked up in bed how anyone can prove where that smell of smoke is coming from and lbh on a moving ship that smell soon disappears, unless P&O install cameras on all balconies ( can anyone see them going to that expense ) people will still smoke

[GillD46]

The worry then is how will they stub out their cigarettes? There'll be no ashtrays and throwing over board is a no no.

[Lynda and David]

Does anyone know where the smoking area is on Azura (other than the Prom deck)? Also on Queen Victoria?

Only ask because we are looking to book for next April and it will be a cruise on one or other of these ships. My husband would like to choose a cabin close to the stairs/lifts leading to the outside smoking area so that he can easily pop up for a cigarette when we are in our cabin.

Many thanks


Lynda

[Quizzical Bob]

Now this is where cruiselines could have compromised and banned smoking on balconies between the hours of say 9.00am - 9.00pm, of course there will always be the odd person who insists they want to sit on their balcony and look at the stars and it would spoil their enjoyment but why upset everyone when both sides could quite easily be catered for.

Jo

This is were P&O have shot themselves in the foot, something they seem quite accomplished at these days.
While smokers reluctantly went along with the indoor smoking legislation, I think this is a step too far by the cruise lines. They will lose business, and also have difficulties in policing the system. I am quite sure anyone wanting a cigarette on their balcony will be able to do so, unless it is the intention to install CCTV on each balcony. The Cabin Steward will not say anything for fear of his tip being removed. I think that P&O had a wonderful opportunity to manage the problem and at the same time keeping a marketing advantage with the majority of passengers happy.

I think the opposite could be the case for the cabin steward, if he or she doesn't report it. What if an officer inspects a cabin, as they do and the steward hasn't reported it then I would imagine they would be in trouble.

I fail to see if someone smokes on their balcony ( I'm talking the odd cigarette early am or late pm ) when most will be tucked up in bed how anyone can prove where that smell of smoke is coming from and lbh on a moving ship that smell soon disappears, unless P&O install cameras on all balconies ( can anyone see them going to that expense ) people will still smoke

They just have to look for the source of the fire

[arcadialover]

P&O need to make it very clear that anyone found smoking on their balcony will be off loaded at the next port, no questions asked. I would certainly report my neighbour.

[david63]

... unless P&O install cameras on all balconies ( can anyone see them going to that expense ) people will still smoke

Might see more than they bargained for

[Quizzical Bob]

P&O need to make it very clear that anyone found smoking on their balcony will be off loaded at the next port, no questions asked. I would certainly report my neighbour.

Do they have to be smoking? There are some I would report for next to nothing.

[qbman1]

Might see more than they bargained for

Especially if Romig's on board !!

[Ray Scully]

P&O need to make it very clear that anyone found smoking on their balcony will be off loaded at the next port, no questions asked. I would certainly report my neighbour.

I would hope they would apply the same strict criteria to the sun bed hoggers who have a far greater impact on my enjoyment of a cruise than the odd odour of drifting tobacco smoke.

Ray

[Dancing Queen]

The worry then is how will they stub out their cigarettes? There'll be no ashtrays and throwing over board is a no no.

Gill, no responsible smoker would ever throw a lighted cigarette overboard wherever they were smoking.

[Dancing Queen]

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Jo[/quote]
This is were P&O have shot themselves in the foot, something they seem quite accomplished at these days.
While smokers reluctantly went along with the indoor smoking legislation, I think this is a step too far by the cruise lines. They will lose business, and also have difficulties in policing the system. I am quite sure anyone wanting a cigarette on their balcony will be able to do so, unless it is the intention to install CCTV on each balcony. The Cabin Steward will not say anything for fear of his tip being removed. I think that P&O had a wonderful opportunity to manage the problem and at the same time keeping a marketing advantage with the majority of passengers happy.[/quote]


I think the opposite could be the case for the cabin steward, if he or she doesn't report it. What if an officer inspects a cabin, as they do and the steward hasn't reported it then I would imagine they would be in trouble.[/quote]

I fail to see if someone smokes on their balcony ( I'm talking the odd cigarette early am or late pm ) when most will be tucked up in bed how anyone can prove where that smell of smoke is coming from and lbh on a moving ship that smell soon disappears, unless P&O install cameras on all balconies ( can anyone see them going to that expense ) people will still smoke [/quote]
They just have to look for the source of the fire [/quote]


QBob, it has never been proved that any fire on a ship has been caused by a smoker, most people refer to the fire on the Star Princess ( think that was the ship ) and whilst many would like to believe that as far as I'm aware it has never been proved conclusively, there is a lot of info about it on the internet but the last time I looked there was no conclusive evidence much of it was supposition.

[Ray Scully]

Can anyone help

Is there a correlation between anti smoking zealots and sunbed hoggers? It just seems that they display similar characteristics.

Ray

[arcadialover]

P&O need to make it very clear that anyone found smoking on their balcony will be off loaded at the next port, no questions asked. I would certainly report my neighbour.

I would hope they would apply the same strict criteria to the sun bed hoggers who have a far greater impact on my enjoyment of a cruise than the odd odour of drifting tobacco smoke.

Ray

I wish they would as well.

[Dark Knight]

how to stretch something to breaking point

this is all very interesting but as it is a done deal...then tough, get over it.
and make sure you don't try for a crafty smoke on your balcony, in the case the sneaky stool pigeon next door shops you to the captain

[arcadialover]

how to stretch something to breaking point

this is all very interesting but as it is a done deal...then tough, get over it.
and make sure you don't try for a crafty smoke on your balcony, in the case the sneaky stool pigeon next door shops you to the captain

So aren't we allowed to debate things on this site, or do we have to give up when you get bored. My advice is if YOU are fed up with the thread then STOP reading it.

There has been plenty of posts since I logged on at 3pm so obviously others are interested in the subject.

[Dancing Queen]

Does anyone know where the smoking area is on Azura (other than the Prom deck)? Also on Queen Victoria?

Only ask because we are looking to book for next April and it will be a cruise on one or other of these ships. My husband would like to choose a cabin close to the stairs/lifts leading to the outside smoking area so that he can easily pop up for a cigarette when we are in our cabin.

Many thanks


Lynda

Hi Lynda

From what I recall the smoking area on QV is the same deck that Churchill's is on ( deck 8/9 ?? ) but of course Cunard accommodate their smokers with Churchill's so one can sit and have a cigarette in peace, I think there is also another smoking area possibly on deck 3.

[Quizzical Bob]

QBob, it has never been proved that any fire on a ship has been caused by a smoker, most people refer to the fire on the Star Princess ( think that was the ship ) and whilst many would like to believe that as far as I'm aware it has never been proved conclusively, there is a lot of info about it on the internet but the last time I looked there was no conclusive evidence much of it was supposition.

It's by far the most likely explanation. Even the potential for a fire sends the willies up the ship's crew. Balcony fires are very difficult to fight because of the restricted access. Most ships now have a sprinkler system but these need to be triggered and in an outside environment it's unlikely to be by the heat if the flames.

Lighting little bonfires and breathing in the smoke has always seemed crazy to me, and many, many fires have been started by a discarded cigarette. Out of interest, what's wrong with the chewing gum or electronic thingies?

[GillD46]

The worry then is how will they stub out their cigarettes? There'll be no ashtrays and throwing over board is a no no.

Gill, no responsible smoker would ever throw a lighted cigarette overboard wherever they were smoking.

Sadly, I have seen it many times - sure nobody here would though.

[Dark Knight]

not a problem acradialover

to elucidate, I have seen many a thread about smokers on this and other fora, and in the past I have tried , as a smoker, to add balance, but have repeatedly been slyly insulted and called lots of childish names by the anti smoking facists, so rather than bang my head against a metaphorical wall, it is easier to treat the threads with , I admit, slightly caustic humour, rather than have a full blown row, with one or two bigoted people

[The Monocled Mutineer]

QB:

Or a patch. Not banned in any part of the ship and no smoke. Even gives the addict a nicotene dose while they're eating, bathing and sleeping!

[Dancing Queen]

QBob, it has never been proved that any fire on a ship has been caused by a smoker, most people refer to the fire on the Star Princess ( think that was the ship ) and whilst many would like to believe that as far as I'm aware it has never been proved conclusively, there is a lot of info about it on the internet but the last time I looked there was no conclusive evidence much of it was supposition.

It's by far the most likely explanation. Even the potential for a fire sends the willies up the ship's crew. Balcony fires are very difficult to fight because of the restricted access. Most ships now have a sprinkler system but these need to be triggered and in an outside environment it's unlikely to be by the heat if the flames.

Lighting little bonfires and breathing in the smoke has always seemed crazy to me, and many, many fires have been started by a discarded cigarette. Out of interest, what's wrong with the chewing gum or electronic thingies?

Most likely does not make it fact Bob.

People will still smoke on balconies they do on ships that have the restrictions already in force, I am more concerned that the irresponsible will not give a second thought to throwing lighted cigarettes overboard and that is a far greater fire hazard than someone who has an ashtray in which to dispose of a cigarette.

As I've already said there could have been a reasonable compromise, even the most ardent anti smoker surely couldn't object if someone smoked on their balcony within restricted times it wouldn't have a great impact on those who wish to take advantage of their balcony during the day.

[Ray B]

Like the dress code this one runs on and on but smoking on balconies is going to be a no no for all cruise lines soon.
I see that as from November 15 the Disney cruise line is banning smoking on balconies and any passenger found smoking will face a charge to clean the room to the tune of $250.
Now did they say this would happen months ago to give bookers a choice, as to book a cruise for after Nov would stop the smoker from enjoying a drag, or is this a new rule. The thing being is, is that PandO have given a years notice so smokers may have longer to make up their minds as to take a cruise with PandO or another line.
Disney will still allow smoking in open deck areas the same as PandO.

Ray

[Dark Knight]

looking at other sites etc
some people have actually gone as far as to cancel their cruise because of this, which seems a bit OTT considering all you have to go is walk up on deck for a sly benson

nowt as queer a folk, well apart from a platypus, which is most odd