Brexit

[Onelife]

P.s if you think being called a 'saboteur' is bad, how do you think l feel being called a Sheep Sh*agger?

Keith, you fail to understand the significance of 'saboteur' in this instance.

I agree Jack...you can get hanged for being a saboteur and castrated for being a sheep botherer. ..btw...if you ever get to chat with Stephen you'l have yo excuse his high pitched voice

[Gill W]

P.s if you think being called a 'saboteur' is bad, how do you think l feel being called a Sheep Sh*agger?

Keith, you fail to understand the significance of 'saboteur' in this instance.

Don’t worry Jack, I won’t be bothering to engage with Onelife any longer. If he can’t see that directly referring to a named individual on this small forum as a ‘saboteur’ is out of order, then I wash my hands of him

[Jack Staff]

Don’t worry Jack, I won’t be bothering to engage with Onelife any longer. If he can’t see that directly referring to a named individual on this small forum as a ‘saboteur’ is out of order, then I wash my hands of him

It's just the Brexiter way. Treat everyone with contempt and then claim to be the victim. (look at the upcoming replies below!).
Trying to get away from anyone (or state, even) that doesn't agree with their agenda.
It's what England is being reduced to. I'm not sure it will even stop there.
They even do it to themselves here.

[Onelife]

P.s if you think being called a 'saboteur' is bad, how do you think l feel being called a Sheep Sh*agger?

Keith, you fail to understand the significance of 'saboteur' in this instance.

Don’t worry Jack, I won’t be bothering to engage with Onelife any longer. If he can’t see that directly referring to a named individual on this small forum as a ‘saboteur’ is out of order, then I wash my hands of him

Anyone got a tissue.......keefy onelife is heartbroken...but please no chocolates thank you

Gill wrote....

PS, I've noted that you, along with several Brexiters on this forum still insist on using emotive terms such as saboteur. It just makes you sound perpetually angry. It must be exhausting to have been so angry for three years


Is not making assumptions that l've been angry for the past three years... emotive and down right rude? Washing your hands doesn't make you whiter than white Gill.

Regards

keith

[screwy]

To be critical of being called saboteur is a bit ‘pot,kettle and black’and I’m not getting at anyone in particular,when leavers have been called out for being complicit in..starving the country and possibly killing people through not having drugs available.So please,come on start being Adult.Everyone.

[Quizzical Bob]

I could not agree more, though we can thank Brown (and Balls) for keeping us out of the Euro.

We dodged a bullet there, didn't we?

We dodged an enormous opportunity.

[barney]

I could not agree more, though we can thank Brown (and Balls) for keeping us out of the Euro.

We dodged a bullet there, didn't we?

We dodged an enormous opportunity.

I think that you are in a minority of one there Bob. The Euro has been an unmitigated disaster for all but the Germans. Even the most fervent Europhiles can see that. Given their time again the EU would not have proceeded with it.

[Jack Staff]

Is it this simple?
May can’t blame the disaster on the people who caused the disaster because it would finish the party.
So she’s conspiring with the people who caused the disaster to blame the disaster on the EU, secure in the support of media which helped cause the disaster.
James O'Brien

[barney]

Is it this simple?
May can’t blame the disaster on the people who caused the disaster because it would finish the party.
So she’s conspiring with the people who caused the disaster to blame the disaster on the EU, secure in the support of media which helped cause the disaster.
James O'Brien

That's not a great source to quote Jack. James O'brien is nothing more than a ShockJock. Personally I don't think he is the full shilling. Maybe he is and it's all part of his radio persona. If so, he's a great actor.

[barney]

Did you watch the documentary on BBC 2 last night. Fascinating. If not then get it on catchup. One thing it showed was how few of the major players are still in politics.

[Jack Staff]

Did you watch the documentary on BBC 2 last night. Fascinating. If not then get it on catchup. One thing it showed was how few of the major players are still in politics.

Yes, quite informative. Showed a lot of reasons as to why we are where we are.
I would never claim O'Brien was something he wasn't, I just thought he was right with that one.

[barney]

I think it highlighted how out of step the UK has been with the rest of the EU. It's not new. It's always been so since inception. That's why it's best we part company. Otherwise the animosity will just go on forever. They can go their way and we'll go ours. Friends and neighbours but not family.

[Jack Staff]

Sorry Barney, no. It was just part of the Conservatives that created the differences, then fuelled by the media.
It is only some of the UK that is out of step.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Sorry Barney, no. It was just part of the Conservatives that created the differences, then fuelled by the media.
It is only some of the UK that is out of step.

So nothing at all to do with Blair or Brown then Jack? I'm sorry but the metropolitan elite across all parties have been as bad at ignoring anything outside their little bubble and allow concerns to go unaddressed.

[barney]

Sorry Barney, no. It was just part of the Conservatives that created the differences, then fuelled by the media.
It is only some of the UK that is out of step.

17.4 million are out of step. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they others like the EU. After over 40 years of membership the remain team could not muster enough support.

[barney]

I assume that you have heard of Lexit Jack. That is, labour supporters for Brexit. There are millions of them.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Sorry Barney, no. It was just part of the Conservatives that created the differences, then fuelled by the media.
It is only some of the UK that is out of step.

17.4 million are out of step. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they others like the EU. After over 40 years of membership the remain team could not muster enough support.

And the rest Barney, who were already so disenchanted with politics they couldn't be bothered to vote in the referendum. I really don't accept the idea that everyone who failed to vote to leave automatically wants to remain. My guess is they're split in pretty much the same proportion as those who did make the effort.

[Jack Staff]

I assume that you have heard of Lexit Jack. That is, labour supporters for Brexit. There are millions of them.

Of course. I have even heard of Liberal Leave (absolutely no one likes them!).

Millions huh? Bearing in mind that 70-90% of Labour members want a new referendum, I doubt that.

[barney]

I assume that you have heard of Lexit Jack. That is, labour supporters for Brexit. There are millions of them.

Of course. I have even heard of Liberal Leave (absolutely no one likes them!).

Millions huh? Bearing in mind that 70-90% of Labour members want a new referendum, I doubt that.

Members Jack, not voters.

If we accept that Labour has about 450,00 members then those demanding another referendum equates to about 400,000 people.
That's a tiny percentage out of all the eligible voters.
Even if you include the Metropolitan Liberals who took to the streets for a fun day out in London, it's still a tiny amount.

You can argue for as long as you like for another vote, but there seems little appetite for one, either in the house or in the public in general.
That my friend, seems dead in the water.

I would add that 63% of Labour constituencies voted to leave the EU.
An inconvenient fact ?

[Jack Staff]

Members Jack, not voters.

Yes, I knew what you were saying. That's why I specifically said members.

If we accept that Labour has about 450,00 members then those demanding another referendum equates to about 400,000 people.
That's a tiny percentage out of all the eligible voters.
Even if you include the Metropolitan Liberals who took to the streets for a fun day out in London, it's still a tiny amount.

73.3% did not vote for Brexit. See? I can twist figures to promote my view too.

You can argue for as long as you like for another vote, but there seems little appetite for one, either in the house or in the public in general.
That my friend, seems dead in the water.

and I am not unduly upset by that at all. I have stated before and will doubtless need to again. Referendums are the tool of tyrants and despots. They have no place in British democracy, especially ones that are corrupted by foreign money and other electoral illegalities.
But we have got ourselves into this mess, it may be the only way out.

I would add that 63% of Labour constituencies voted to leave the EU.
An inconvenient fact ?

Just google "labour constituencies now remain" - An inconvenient fact ?

[barney]

Those who didn't vote are irrelevant Jack. It's only votes that count, not non votes. I would also add that opinion polls are slightly irrelevant. Remember the opinion polls before brexit. They are not even a barometer of opinion on this subject. Many who voted leave keep their own counsel.

[Jack Staff]

Those who didn't vote are irrelevant Jack. It's only votes that count, not non votes. I would also add that opinion polls are slightly irrelevant. Remember the opinion polls before brexit. They are not even a barometer of opinion on this subject. Many who voted leave keep their own counsel.

So another vote is required then, isn't it?

[screwy]

Well, your obviously not Brenda from Bristol then Jack.

[Jack Staff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3PKE8uTSp8

[towny44]

I assume that you have heard of Lexit Jack. That is, labour supporters for Brexit. There are millions of them.

Of course. I have even heard of Liberal Leave (absolutely no one likes them!).

Millions huh? Bearing in mind that 70-90% of Labour members want a new referendum, I doubt that.

Labour members Jack not Labour voters, I would guess that quite a large majority of voters will be leave supporters.