Brexit

[Manoverboard]

I can remember, pre EU, when Massey Ferguson tractors was based in Coventry … just saying

ps … we had to shut the pits to permit Poland to produce it cheaper and then they exported it back to us but don't tell Jack or he'll come back with some crap about Russian steam trains.







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[Jack Staff]

I think you missed the point OBF. You made three statements #4356. I said they were not quite true. merely stating facts.

[Jack Staff]

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They have warned us previously they would not be happy with us if we did Brexit and I know you do not take the Japanese word lightly.

You know that do you?
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Unfortunately I don't think this will be the last time either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-47102708

[screwy]

Think Ireland needed a hard border at the Rugby....C’mon England.

[screwy]

Maybe Jack should go to our fishing ports and tell them he doesn’t mind them losing their livelihoods for his blessed Eu.

[Jack Staff]

Maybe Jack should go to our fishing ports and tell them he doesn’t mind them losing their livelihoods for his blessed Eu.

Perhaps you should go to Sunderland and tell them you don't mind them losing their livelihoods for your blessed Brexit.

[Ray Scully]

Maybe Jack should go to our fishing ports and tell them he doesn’t mind them losing their livelihoods for his blessed Eu.

Perhaps you should go to Sunderland and tell them you don't mind them losing their livelihoods for your blessed Brexit.

Simps folks, stay in and no one loses anything, well apart from a bit of credibility

[oldbluefox]

The good people of Sunderland voted to leave the EU with a 61% majority. Tell them they all voted to lose their jobs. I feel sure they will believe you!!
Let's face it, the haves in the Remain camp don't give a damn for the have-nots in the rest of the country just as long as they can protect their own cosy interests. "I'm alright Jack" seems to be coming through clear and strong rather than what is best for the future of the country.

[Ray Scully]

The good people of Sunderland voted to leave the EU with a 61% majority. Tell them they all voted to lose their jobs. I feel sure they will believe you!!
Let's face it, the haves in the Remain camp don't give a damn for the have-nots in the rest of the country just as long as they can protect their own cosy interests. "I'm alright Jack" seems to be coming through clear and strong rather than what is best for the future of the country.

Let's face it, the haves in the Leave camp don't give a damn for the have-nots in the rest of the country just as long as they can protect their own cosy interests. "I'm alright Jack" seems to be coming through clear and strong rather than what is best for the future of the country.

[oldbluefox]

You would be right Ray but if you look at the bedrock of the Remain camp largely in London and the South East which has done very well from the EU and compare with the Leave votes in the North which has suffered lack of investment over many years your argument loses credence.
As John Mann, Labour MP was saying the other day, Brexit arose out of inequalities in UK where some communities did very well at the expense of others. But then, what do we care for them?

[Ray Scully]

You would be right Ray but if you look at the bedrock of the Remain camp largely in London and the South East which has done very well from the EU and compare with the Leave votes in the North which has suffered lack of investment over many years your argument loses credence.
As John Mann, Labour MP was saying the other day, Brexit arose out of inequalities in UK where some communities did very well at the expense of others. But then, what do we care for them?

OBF I would have thought that the decisions relating to lack of investment came about because of UK government policies, nothing to do with the EU. However, some of these areas did receive EU aid. Sadly I fear that they will not fair any better under a Tory Government with the right wingers pulling the strings whether in or out of the EU.

[oldbluefox]

Anything bad=government, anything good =EU?
Let's look at our fishing industry as one example. Some think it's acceptable to sacrifice fishing to satisfy our EU neighbours. It is not only the fishermen who lose their livelihoods but the infrastructure which surrounds them. Whole communities are destroyed with little opportunity of other work. In time the young leave to seek work but there is good news as little cottages become vacant to be snapped up as holiday homes by those who are doing very nicely thank you and have the financial clout to outbid the locals. The result? Dead communities. But to some of our Remainer friends this is inevitable and acceptable. Hence my "I'm alright Jack" comment.
It is not just Tories to blame. Successive governments and lamentable PMs such as Major and Blair have sat back and allowed it to happen. The responsibility lies with the EU and government who have stood by and allowed it.

[Jack Staff]

Fishing is a red herring (!) as far as this country is concerned. Now minor industry because of over fishing, something the EU tries to rectify.
Brexit will not help.
We have already eaten all the fish we like to eat. Those fish are gone.
There are fish left that Europeans like to eat.
Brexit will cause tariffs for our fishermen.

The fish we do like to eat are further afield in European waters.
To buy them we will have to pay tariffs.

I agree some of the problems in fishing are due to the British governments (of varying colours). Other problems should have been sorted by our fishing representative at the EU. But none of that alters the fact that it is such a minor industry, it's importance in Brexit is infinitesimal.

[towny44]

I agree some of the problems in fishing are due to the British governments (of varying colours). Other problems should have been sorted by our fishing representative at the EU. But none of that alters the fact that it is such a minor industry, it's importance in Brexit is infinitesimal.

Probably right Jack but it was a combination of all these little issues that led to the leave vote.

[Jack Staff]

I agree some of the problems in fishing are due to the British governments (of varying colours). Other problems should have been sorted by our fishing representative at the EU. But none of that alters the fact that it is such a minor industry, it's importance in Brexit is infinitesimal.

Probably right Jack but it was a combination of all these little issues that led to the leave vote.

And the Russian money.

[towny44]

I agree some of the problems in fishing are due to the British governments (of varying colours). Other problems should have been sorted by our fishing representative at the EU. But none of that alters the fact that it is such a minor industry, it's importance in Brexit is infinitesimal.

Probably right Jack but it was a combination of all these little issues that led to the leave vote.

And the Russian money.

Along with other leavers I already knew which way I would vote, quite possibly the millions spent on the DC brochure might have persuaded some leavers to change with its dire warnings of life outside the EU, but I doubt any remainers were persuaded to switch even with Russian finance and Boris's NHS pledge. Without any campaigning the leave victory could have been much higher.

[oldbluefox]

My mind was made up long before the referendum. I only had to look at the investment in infrastructure made on the continent and compare it with our own regions to see we were drawing the short straw one way or another. If EU investment was being put into the country it was certainly not being directed anywhere near where I live.

[Jack Staff]

Along with other leavers ....

What confuses me is that the generation that built and flew the V bombers, lived on camp in Germany or spent months on patrol underwater are the very ones that predominantly now side with Putin. Makes no sense, after all that effort to just throw it away.

[Ray Scully]

Anything bad=government, anything good =EU?
Let's look at our fishing industry as one example. Some think it's acceptable to sacrifice fishing to satisfy our EU neighbours. It is not only the fishermen who lose their livelihoods but the infrastructure which surrounds them. Whole communities are destroyed with little opportunity of other work. In time the young leave to seek work but there is good news as little cottages become vacant to be snapped up as holiday homes by those who are doing very nicely thank you and have the financial clout to outbid the locals. The result? Dead communities. But to some of our Remainer friends this is inevitable and acceptable. Hence my "I'm alright Jack" comment.
It is not just Tories to blame. Successive governments and lamentable PMs such as Major and Blair have sat back and allowed it to happen. The responsibility lies with the EU and government who have stood by and allowed it.

So how will leaving the EU alter anything? London centrist governments will see to that. Maybe Messrs Corbyn and McDonald have the answers. OBF the "I'm on the bus Jack ring the bell" is sadly an attitude prevalent across both leavers and remainers.

[Ray B]

Fishing is a red herring (!) as far as this country is concerned. Now minor industry because of over fishing,
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We have already eaten all the fish we like to eat. Those fish are gone.
There are fish left that Europeans like to eat.

The fish we do like to eat are further afield in European waters.


There is plenty of fish about, we have no trouble with the selection of fish on the slabs of our (very few now) fishmongers . I put it to you Jack, that maybe some of/a lot of the younger generation do not eat fish or know how to cook fish, and this may have led a lot to the demise of fish outlets.Just saying.
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[Jack Staff]

There is plenty of fish about, we have no trouble with the selection of fish on the slabs of our (very few now) fishmongers . I put it to you Jack, that maybe some of/a lot of the younger generation do not eat fish or know how to cook fish, and this may have led a lot to the demise of fish outlets.Just saying.
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We are still in the EU and so can currently get pretty much any fish we want tariff free from across the EU.
I don't know about fish outlets or the palette of the younger generation, but I would suspect the lack of fishmongers is due to the rise of supermarkets?

[oldbluefox]

So how will leaving the EU alter anything?

Well Ray, we won't be able to blame the EU!!!
We will know exactly who to blame and we won't be relying on the EU to send some of our money back to us.
....... and we won't be paying them for the privilege!!!

[barney]

Leaving the EU will probably have very little impact initially because we will still be in in all but name. Longer term, it will be more noticeable as we move further away. I'd like to see a policy of helping emerging countries particularly in Africa. At the moment,the protectionist EU shuts them out.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Along with other leavers ....

What confuses me is that the generation that built and flew the V bombers, lived on camp in Germany or spent months on patrol underwater are the very ones that predominantly now side with Putin. Makes no sense, after all that effort to just throw it away.

You've got me confused too now Jack. What has any of this got to do with siding with Putin?

[barney]

It wos the Russians wot dun it Merv. Didn't you know?