Brexit

[Onelife]

Nearly three years out of date. Towny was talking about now

Still as relevant now as it was back in 2016.......remind me what were the polls predicting then?

[Onelife]

Week after week, the same old negative lines are trolled out. Things will be a bit different, of that there is no doubt. Better or worse. Time will tell.

So give us some good news.

I am well aware of how we are going to suffer from Brexit. Give us a reason to get behind Brexit, give me some pro's to counteract the con's.

Good news......l had £30 on a 11/1 shot this evening.......l won't tell you about all the losers but then you above all know what that's like

[Jack Staff]

Oh Jack! Change the blo'dy record. We've been down this road so many times. You are unfortunately getting extremely boring. Please try a bit harder to engage.

So no good news, yet you still expect to win the next ref.

Brexiters will have to come up with something.

[Onelife]

So the remainer 'saboteurs' want an extention to article 50.

They keep telling us about the impending disasters and chaos Brexit is causing. I find it a little ironic that remainers put extention, 'disaster and 'chaos' in the same sentence when you consider the impact of calling for an extention is by definition going to cause more chaos .....have they even stopped to consider how begging for an extention will impact on business uncertainty? Have they considered how long negotiating an extention could take? Have they considered that Brussels will be in the driving seat when it comes to allocating the time frames for any extention?..We say "three months" they say "ten"....We say "no way" they say "no choice"

l personally don't go along with the view that it isn't in the EU interest to keep us in tied into the bloc..., they will keep us in for as long as they can while they think remainers have a chance of reversing Brexit......and why shouldn't they when we are paying their bills.

[Gill W]

Keith - you keep responding to my posts, so you are either keen to engage with me, or are just poking me with a stick to see if you get a reaction.

You were ‘man’ enough to refer to me as a ‘sabateur’ behind my back when you were talking to another forum member. Be man enough to apologise to my face, then we can on with communicating with each other.

[barney]

Oh Jack! Change the blo'dy record. We've been down this road so many times. You are unfortunately getting extremely boring. Please try a bit harder to engage.

So no good news, yet you still expect to win the next ref.

Brexiters will have to come up with something.

To be honest Jack, I don't and never have expected their to be another referendum this issue, so you cannot claim that I expect to win it !

The natural conclusion is that we leave the EU, as dictated by the electorate, and then after that, any Political Party can stand on a manifesto pledge of joining.
At the moment, the LibDems and Greens stand on that platform, as you well know.

If, as you claim, there is a majority in favour of the UK never leaving, then common sense dictates that they should be able to win a majority and form a Government, even as a coalition.
After that happens, they can apply to join the EU on behalf of the nation.

By 2022, there may well be another political party who have greater appeal than the poor old LibDems.
Who knows?

Maybe Chukka Umuna will follow through with his continued threats to leave Labour, and some will join him.

Maybe there will be a new centrist party with both disaffected Tories and Labour in it.

All that I know for a fact is that both major parties stood on a 2017 manifesto of seeing through the referendum result.
That may explain why they achieved over 80% of the vote between them.

I'm guessing that you voted LibDem, along with QB and GillW.

So, the term Tory Remainer MP or Labour Remainer MP is a paradox.
All Tory & Labour MPs stood on their party's manifesto, to the best of my knowledge.
That manifesto said that they would leave the EU.

Please feel free to correct any of the above if I've got it wrong.

[Jack Staff]

To be honest Jack,

Yet I am the one who is accused of clutching at straws!

We all know manifestos are worth diddly. I had assumed you were old enough and ugly enough to realise that.
There are simple reasons why. Things change. Public opinion changes.

They have tried to do it. We can cut them some slack there.
But it is clear it will wreck the country.
The primary responsibility of any government is to look after its' citizens. That trumps any manifesto pledges of a damaging Brexit.

[barney]

To be honest Jack,

Yet I am the one who is accused of clutching at straws!

We all know manifestos are worth diddly. I had assumed you were old enough and ugly enough to realise that.
There are simple reasons why. Things change. Public opinion changes.

They have tried to do it. We can cut them some slack there.
But it is clear it will wreck the country.
The primary responsibility of any government is to look after its' citizens. That trumps any manifesto pledges of a damaging Brexit.

I simply don't agree with you.
I see leaving the EU as a wonderful opportunity for this country, and due to the fact that it is happening, anyone who really cares should get behind it.
Standing on the sideline shouting Yaa Boo! achieves nothing.

Everybody (with very few exceptions) would prefer an orderly withdrawal, but if that cannot be achieved, due to EU dogma, then we must have the right to unilaterally leave. That is/was the point of Article 50.

The EU can avoid us leaving without a WA by adding one single senatnce into it.
You know, I know, they know it.
so, the question that you have to ask is why they will not do it.
I think that the rerason is that they still think that the UK will back down and ask to stay in.
If so, they have miscalculated badly, because even should that happen, the UK will forvever be a thorn in it's side, and will throw it's full weight behind all of the other EU Sceptic parties, which will grind it to a halt.
https://www.politico.eu/article/italys- ... arliament/

[Onelife]

Keith - you keep responding to my posts, so you are either keen to engage with me, or are just poking me with a stick to see if you get a reaction.

You were ‘man’ enough to refer to me as a ‘sabateur’ behind my back when you were talking to another forum member. Be man enough to apologise to my face, then we can on with communicating with each other.

Hi Gill,

I haven't singled you out for any preferential treatment and to my knowledge never poked a lady with a stick. As for apologising?.... l only do so when l feel l have something to apologies for.


Keith

[Stephen]

I can hear a mod siren any minute now.

[towny44]

Could this be an addendum to the #Me Too movement?

[barney]

So, that's that then.

All sorted .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... orary.html

[Onelife]

So, that's that then.

All sorted .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... orary.html

Sounds promising Barney.......at the very least it's a step forward

[Gill W]

I'm guessing that you voted LibDem, along with QB and GillW.

Guess again

[barney]

EU investors considering moves to the UK because of Brexit

The narrative of a mass exodus of City jobs has already been consigned to the Project Fear dustbin of history, with just 2,000 jobs now expected to move in the event of no-deal, compared to wild predictions of over 230,000 before the referendum.

Now the FT of all places is reporting that EU asset managers are actually considering moving to the UK because of Brexit.
That wasn’t in the script…

EU fund managers are up in arms over EU rules which would force them to trade dual-listed shares on uncompetitive EU exchanges after Brexit if the Commission refuse to give them access to London after Brexit. –

source - Guido Fawkes

[barney]

I'm guessing that you voted LibDem, along with QB and GillW.

Guess again

OK.
Green ?

[Gill W]

I'm guessing that you voted LibDem, along with QB and GillW.

Guess again

OK.
Green ?

No

[anniec]

Guess again

OK.
Green ?

No

UKIP?

[barney]

Guess again

OK.
Green ?

No

Spoiled paper ?

[Gill W]

I can hear a mod siren any minute now.

Not needed on my behalf. Onelife has set out his stall.

Brexit has normalised all sorts of things that wouldn't have happened before. but c'est la vie

[Manoverboard]

OK.
Green ?

No

Spoiled paper ?

Conservative … in a predominately ' Remain ' constituency

[barney]

No

Spoiled paper ?

Conservative … in a predominately ' Remain ' constituency

Impossible MoB.

Gill lives in Medway.
The only area that voted Remain in Kent was Royal Tunbridge Wells.
I lived outside Maidstone at the time of the vote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... m-36616172

[Gill W]

OK.
Green ?

No

Spoiled paper ?

No!

I had every intention of voting Lib Dem, but the candidate was a limp lettuce and I couldn't bring myself to do it. I disagreed with the Labour candidate on a matter unrelated to Brexit, so I couldn't vote for him. I couldn't even find out anything about the Green candidate.

In the end, I had to leave Brexit out of the equation, and vote solely on who would would be the best candidate for my local community.

I voted for the Conservative candidate, who I know to be a decent and honourable person, who I've spoken to personally before and he does a lot of work in the local area without party political posturing.

He's resigned his government role over Brexit, and voted against May's deal - so broadly speaking I approve of his stance on the deal

[Gill W]

No

Spoiled paper ?

Conservative … in a predominately ' Remain ' constituency

As you will see from previous replies, I voted Conservative, in a rabidly Leave area - but the only way I could make my decision was to leave Brexit out of my deliberations

[barney]

We had Anne Widdy for 23 years and she was an excellent constituency MP.
Replaced by Helen Grant who's a bit of a wet rag who has had her 'fingers in the till' ref expenses.

A good mate of mine is MP for Sittingbourne & Swale.

I do like Tracey Crouch as well, and Rehman Chishti seems ok.

I don't know much about the chap down here in North Devon, but know he was very vocal when Babcock pulled out of Appledore shipyard.
They decided to close it, irrespective of work.
Still, they are a private company and up to them I suppose.