Brexit

[oldbluefox]

The one that mattered..................

[Mervyn and Trish]

But you knew what you were voting for.
You had the majority.
Perhaps it just wasn't a good idea?

Thank you Jack. I did. I'm grateful for a step forward from at least one remainer in acknowledging that I did indeed know what I was voting for and that I was not a poor deluded fool deceived by buses etc. expecting unicorns.

I never expected it to be easy. I expected the EU negotiators to make it as tough as possible in order to deter others thinking of leaving. I didn't expect us to get all the "benefits" of membership once we left. But I also didn't expect MPs who had voted to give us a referendum, decided the question, and after the result stood on pledges to implement the result, to then obstruct the departure at every juncture.

[Gill W]

I am not mocking anyone on here (I have said before I accept others opinions even if I do not agree with them), but nor am I joking.

If Brexit is a disaster it will not be because we voted for it, but because some MPs within our elected parliament, in which both main parties stood on a mandate of getting Brexit done, have since done everything In their power to obstruct. I apply that to both Remainer MPs trying to scrap the whole thing and Leaver MPs not supporting the government line because they think they can do better.

I wrongly assumed yours was one of the former Gill. It seems they're maybe one of the latter. Both equally culpable. Well maybe they can, but maybe they can't. You've reminded us Gill that the EU says the deal is not open for renegotiation. I hope you'll tell your MP that if you bump into them and encourage them to get behind the PM.

My MP is personally a Remainer, but has respected their voters wishes and voted for the deal. That I respect.

The WA, as it stands at the moment is awful. It makes us rule takers, with no unilateral way of exiting from the agreement.

It is universally unpopular amongst Leavers and Remainers. Any mp that voted for the deal in its current format is voting against the wishes of their constituents.

The only place I’ve seen support for the WA as it stands at the moment, is on this forum. But not Barney, of course!

[towny44]

I am not mocking anyone on here (I have said before I accept others opinions even if I do not agree with them), but nor am I joking.

If Brexit is a disaster it will not be because we voted for it, but because some MPs within our elected parliament, in which both main parties stood on a mandate of getting Brexit done, have since done everything In their power to obstruct. I apply that to both Remainer MPs trying to scrap the whole thing and Leaver MPs not supporting the government line because they think they can do better.

I wrongly assumed yours was one of the former Gill. It seems they're maybe one of the latter. Both equally culpable. Well maybe they can, but maybe they can't. You've reminded us Gill that the EU says the deal is not open for renegotiation. I hope you'll tell your MP that if you bump into them and encourage them to get behind the PM.

My MP is personally a Remainer, but has respected their voters wishes and voted for the deal. That I respect.

The WA, as it stands at the moment is awful. It makes us rule takers, with no unilateral way of exiting from the agreement.

It is universally unpopular amongst Leavers and Remainers. Any mp that voted for the deal in its current format is voting against the wishes of their constituents.

The only place I’ve seen support for the WA as it stands at the moment, is on this forum. But not Barney, of course!

As far as I understand it all your concerns are only relevant if the backstop is implemented, and even the EU don't seem to want this to be used.
If you have any specific information to the contrary please share it with us, because as far as I can see it ticks most if not all the boxes for me. But it will all hinge on what sort of trade deal we are able to negotiate.

[Onelife]

My thoughts exactly John.....l'm sure there will be some devils in the details but hell is only a dark place for those who can't see a brighter future.

[Gill W]

I am not mocking anyone on here (I have said before I accept others opinions even if I do not agree with them), but nor am I joking.

If Brexit is a disaster it will not be because we voted for it, but because some MPs within our elected parliament, in which both main parties stood on a mandate of getting Brexit done, have since done everything In their power to obstruct. I apply that to both Remainer MPs trying to scrap the whole thing and Leaver MPs not supporting the government line because they think they can do better.

I wrongly assumed yours was one of the former Gill. It seems they're maybe one of the latter. Both equally culpable. Well maybe they can, but maybe they can't. You've reminded us Gill that the EU says the deal is not open for renegotiation. I hope you'll tell your MP that if you bump into them and encourage them to get behind the PM.

My MP is personally a Remainer, but has respected their voters wishes and voted for the deal. That I respect.

The WA, as it stands at the moment is awful. It makes us rule takers, with no unilateral way of exiting from the agreement.

It is universally unpopular amongst Leavers and Remainers. Any mp that voted for the deal in its current format is voting against the wishes of their constituents.

The only place I’ve seen support for the WA as it stands at the moment, is on this forum. But not Barney, of course!

As far as I understand it all your concerns are only relevant if the backstop is implemented, and even the EU don't seem to want this to be used.
If you have any specific information to the contrary please share it with us, because as far as I can see it ticks most if not all the boxes for me. But it will all hinge on what sort of trade deal we are able to negotiate.

My concerns? You are saying it like it''s just me!

Ask Barney - it's more relevant, as he's a Leaver, like you. But he doesn't approve of the WA in its current format. He originally thought that Remainers would love it, as it was like staying in! (I put him right on that, as Remainers would prefer to Remain - the WA puts us in a worse position than we are now)

[towny44]

My concerns? You are saying it like it''s just me!

Ask Barney - it's more relevant, as he's a Leaver, like you. But he doesn't approve of the WA in its current format. He originally thought that Remainers would love it, as it was like staying in! (I put him right on that, as Remainers would prefer to Remain - the WA puts us in a worse position than we are now)

Gill, they were concerns you put in writing, I was merely using "your" as the most appropriate pronoun, please stop being so touchy, even with your emoji.
One thing I do accept is that the WA possibly puts us in a worse economic situation than being in the EU, in fact I have several times accepted that any leave scenario probably puts us in an inferior economic situation than remaining in the EU, but I hope that by now you have come to realise that for leavers the non economic benefits of leaving the EU outweigh the possible short term negative economic affects.

[Gill W]

As Barney says, the current WA is more like staying, but having no say in the rules, and the potential to be stuck like it for years. That sounds worse off to me.

It surprises me that many on this forum are so keen on it

PS where’s your sense of humour gone. It’s apparrantly fine for the Leavers to say what they want under the guise of ‘humour’, but if I make a light hearted comment, signalled by an emoji, I’m ‘touchy’.

I really should stop posting on this forum - whatever I do is wrong

[david63]

Only yesterday you were praising Jacob Rees Mogg, a man who is hell bent on leaving the EU, yet voted against the deal.

The Conservatives are rife with ERG types who are doing everything they can to thwart Mays deal. Why not have a rant about them?

Why single out one non ERG MP? Oh, yes, it's probably because I think he's basically a good egg

I commented og JRM's debating skills not his actions when voting. I specifically stated that I do not agree with his views.

Please stop trying to make out things that are not there for sensationalism.

And for the record I totally approve of the actions taken by my MP during all of these votes.

[Jack Staff]

After last Thursday, I'm saying nothing.

[david63]

After last Thursday, I'm saying nothing.

Is that a threat or a promise?

[screwy]

After last Thursday, I'm saying nothing.

If only...just saying.

[Manoverboard]

According to BBC's Breakfast time News it seems that a bunch of disillusioned Labour MPs have finally had enough of JC and his little ways, question is will they be voting with TM or against her after she achieves a legal tweak to her proposed deal.

[david63]

question is will they be voting with TM or against her after she achieves a legal tweak to her proposed deal.

On the basis that one of their reasons for leaving is that they want a second referendum/people's vote then I would suspect that they will not be supporting TM.

[towny44]

According to BBC's Breakfast time News it seems that a bunch of disillusioned Labour MPs have finally had enough of JC and his little ways, question is will they be voting with TM or against her after she achieves a legal tweak to her proposed deal.

Chukka Umuna is a staunch remainer and wants to stop brexit, so he is hardly likely to support TMs deal, tweaks or no tweaks, don't know about the rest.

[Onelife]

I agree with the above posts but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they could abstain if Theresa keeps her deal or no deal on the table......seven less saboteurs is a win win for our Country.

[barney]

They may well be the backbone of Jack's new Centrist Party.
I wonder if a few more will now join them.
They only need 36 in total to become third party.

[Manoverboard]

According to BBC's Breakfast time News it seems that a bunch of disillusioned Labour MPs have finally had enough of JC and his little ways, question is will they be voting with TM or against her after she achieves a legal tweak to her proposed deal.

Chukka Umuna is a staunch remainer and wants to stop brexit, so he is hardly likely to support TMs deal, tweaks or no tweaks, don't know about the rest.

question is will they be voting with TM or against her after she achieves a legal tweak to her proposed deal.

On the basis that one of their reasons for leaving is that they want a second referendum/people's vote then I would suspect that they will not be supporting TM.

The chances of remaining in the EU or getting a second referendum are zilch but there has to be a chance that a number of them would vote in favour of TM's deal to avoid the ' No Deal ' scenario.

[Onelife]

Whilst they may be few in numbers it would only take the likes of David Millaand to put in an appearance and you would see the numbers grow significantly.

I'll put money on that Theresa lasts longer than what Corbyn will.

[Jack Staff]

Honda. Nothing to do with Brexit.

[Onelife]

Honda. Nothing to do with Brexit.

I thought that as well Jack

[oldbluefox]

Honda. Nothing to do with Brexit.

"The Japanese carmaker will shut the plant in 2022 but retain its European headquarters in Bracknell, Berkshire".
"local Conservative MP Justin Tomlinson said he had spoken to Honda, which confirmed it was consulting with "all staff".
"There is not expected to be any job losses, or changes in production until 2021," Mr Tomlinson said.
"In a tweet, Mr Tomlinson said: "Honda are clear this is based on global trends and not Brexit, as all European market production will consolidate in Japan in 2021."
(BBC News)

Jack's right!!!

[Manoverboard]

A report is on their local news ( inc Swindon ) right now ( 16:00 hrs ) and it was stated that although a ' No Deal ' Brexit was a concern it was the decline in sales and their heavy investment in diesel engines that is the problem.

ps … good spot Jack



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[Jack Staff]

"local Conservative MP Justin Tomlinson said ...

"Honda are making preparations for any scenario, they remain committed to Swindon.
As the Snr Vice President of Europe has reinforced; Swindon is crucial part of their entire global production network.
I have worked closely with them and they fully support the PMs Brexit deal."
10 Jan 2019

[barney]

"local Conservative MP Justin Tomlinson said ...

"Honda are making preparations for any scenario, they remain committed to Swindon.
As the Snr Vice President of Europe has reinforced; Swindon is crucial part of their entire global production network.
I have worked closely with them and they fully support the PMs Brexit deal."
10 Jan 2019

Shows that you can't trust those pesky foreigners, doesn't it ?

Meanwhile, back in La La Land

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... ish-waters

And we thought that they were our friends