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They were guilty of murder ... we should be able to put them on trial and legally execute them.

Our way would be civilised but their way was not ... they deserve to die but the soldier did not.

Several differences actually.

Taking another's life is murder and murder is murder. They will be tried and punishment will be delivered but some people want to kill these men which makes them no better than, well murderers.
Some people may want to kill them ... right now, albeit on a cruise Forum but they will not be on the Jury and neither will they have to balls to commit the act of murder.

It is just a reaction ... as were some of the responses to your postings.
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These two individuals lost any right to compassion when they ran down an innocent man and hacked him to death with machetes and cleavers. What is civilised about that?

I abhor what these men did and I didn't say it was civilised. It was a barbaric act, which is rooted in their warped beliefs. But I believe the responses were not civilised. People are having knee-jerk reactions and it is interesting to note how very easily retaliatory violence and hatred surfaces, which makes people not as civilised as they like to think they are. People would be so quick to gather a lynch-mob, and whilst some may think such an action is justified, it is not civilised.


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But there is going to be hatred and venom. These men are savage animals, they are capapble of hacking an innocent man to pieces in public, a man they did not know or have a personal issue with. They will as long as they live be a threat to just about every man, woman and child in the UK and abroad inluding yours and mine. Why is it deemed 'civilised' to maintain this threat to millions of innocent people ?

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But there is going to be hatred and venom. These men are savage animals, they are capapble of hacking an innocent man to pieces in public, a man they did not know or have a personal issue with. They will as long as they live be a threat to just about every man, woman and child in the UK and abroad inluding yours and mine. Why is it deemed 'civilised' to maintain this threat to millions of innocent people ?
Eh? Did I say that it was civilised to maintain this threat to millions of innocent people? Unfortunately for us Islam wants to rule the world but what to do about it? Outlaw the religion? Ban any marches, protests? Close all the mosques? Who has the answer to this cancer eating into our societies? But hatred and venom and killing them is not the answer. Reading this afternoon, it is said that Britain is now the enemy because we have supported the US against Muslims. British soldiers have killed Muslims and the extremists believe they are at war. Whatever the rights and wrongs, it is a very worrying situation. The majority of Muslims need to root out the people who are sowing the seeds of hatred.


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My apolagies, you wrote 'But I believe the responses were not civilised' in replies to the posters stating that they should be executed to which i assumed that your idea of being civilised was to keep them alive and as such a continuing threat to many innocent people.

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My apolagies, you wrote 'But I believe the responses were not civilised' in replies to the posters stating that they should be executed to which i assumed that your idea of being civilised was to keep them alive and as such a continuing threat to many innocent people.

Keeping them alive does not mean that they would pose a continuing threat to innocent people. We have to be very careful since we don't want to make martyrs of them in any shape or form. But they will still take credit for killing one of the 'infidel' and be lauded by their peers. As a country we have interfered in the affairs of others and hung on to the coat tails of America, and the truth is that we are now are seen as the enemy. What we do about it is the million dollar question.
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Islam has a near endless list of martyrs to chose from, a couple more won't change much other than to ensure they never hack another innocent man to pieces in public.


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And i'm sorry to say this but as long as they are alive they will be a threat. Every person who has to come into contact with them would be at risk, prison guards, doctors you name it and there would be a risk of escape or knowing Britian today every member of the public once thay are released.

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Islam has a near endless list of martyrs to chose from, a couple more won't change much other than to ensure they never hack another innocent man to pieces in public.
These two won't, and I hope such a thing never happens again.

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And i'm sorry to say this but as long as they are alive they will be a threat. Every person who has to come into contact with them would be at risk, prison guards, doctors you name it and there would be a risk of escape or knowing Britian today every member of the public once thay are released.

Anyone who has feelings regarding the death penalty should consider writing to their MP and ask for a debate on its restoration but then, if these men were put to death, then their colleagues would want to avenge their deaths too. A life for a life, a tooth for a tooth, a vicious circle, without end.

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I'm with Mo2013 on this one.
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For the last 40 years public opinion has been in favour of the death penalty for certain crimes. It is occasionaly debated in parliment but has as we all know never come back into law.

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And why don't we have the death penalty anymore? Is it because it is considered barbaric and uncivilised? Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill' and if you do then it's 'an eye for an eye', so ...... if we are not going to take God's word as literal, then what are we to do with these psychopaths ? If we end their lives we open ourselves up to further attacks of revenge and retribution.

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Just out of curiosity Mo what do you think should become of them ?
I don't know. If you execute them they will become martyrs. But if this country had the death penalty then they should receive the death penalty. What I am talking about is people delivering their own brand of justice which makes them no more civilised than raging extremists. It is interesting to see how little below surface lies barely controlled hatred and venom. So how civilised are we really ? I have been reading about Islam and some who go to extremes believe that they have a God-given right to carry out punishments, including beheading. We have to look to the Muslim community to prevent people from being radicalised and to deal with those who have gone haywire in their teachings.
Nobody is advocating torture or hatred for the murderers, but hatred for the actual deed. However, these "men" (and I do not express hatred towards them by saying that, but pointing out that men do not act like that) seem to think that it is acceptable to kill someone in that manner. If it was good enough for Lee to suffer in that way, then it is surely acceptable (in their own eyes) to suffer a similar death. Perhaps if that option was available to people like these, then perhaps more of them would think twice about committing the offence. Even you spoke about an eye for an eye. Lee did not know he was going to meet his end this way. If, as has been suggested, these two were sent out as human mine detectors, they wouldn't know when they'd meet their end. Poetic justice?

I agree it is a very difficult, and emotive topic, and I firmly believe in ultimate forgiveness, I also believe that you should take the consequences of your actions and that involves suffering any due penalty. As I said, if it was good enough to give, it's good enough to get.
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Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'

No it doesn't.
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Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'

No it doesn't.
I thought it was one of the Commandments ?

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My last message on this subject has gone astray so will repeat.
After watching the latest film footage of the shooting I cannot understand why the police did not shoot to kill, and now think they should have taken the second option and shot them in the balls.


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Evil thrives within the tolerance of society.


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MrsB. They'd have to have been very good shots as these cowards look to be the types with very very tiny balls.

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For all we know, he may well have been shot in the balls ....... I expect then he would sue the police for depriving him of the right to father children ....... the world has gone mad .....

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I'm not sure that people realise that at least one of these killers is of Nigerian descent but BRITISH born, to devout Christian parents.

It is a shocking horrible thing that has happened and I hope that Muslim leaders will band together to rout out the teachers of hate and deal with them as they see fit because they bringing shame and disgrace upon the Islam faith. Rightly or wrongly, Britain has involved itself in things and therefore this country and its servicemen have become a target. Islam is a religion of peace but British soldiers have killed Muslims and in their minds some Muslims will consider themselves at war, and Jihad (holy war) justifies them in killing 'the infidel'. Just as the Bible states 'an eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth, they have taken that as read. How do you deal with this extremism? On this thread people have expressed hatred and a wish for the men to be tortured by being used as human bomb detectors. How brutal, savage and inhuman are those thoughts from civilised, well adjusted people? Food for thought.
I'm not sure what difference you think being Nigerian makes or that this "killer" has devout Christian parents, no-one is questioning the credibility of his parents.

If anyone has seen tonights news where the family of the poor murdered ( yes MURDERED ) soldier bravely faced the camera's the only people who deserve to be descibed as brutal, savage and inhuman are the MURDERERS !!!
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Silver_Shiney wrote:
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Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'

No it doesn't.
I believe the 7th commandment is thou shalt not kill.

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ChesterfieldJohn wrote:
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Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'

No it doesn't.
I believe the 7th commandment is thou shalt not kill.

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If it is John then it's a shame the murdering b******s who were Nigerian but British by birth weren't aware of it considering they'd had a good christian upbringing, if they were then a young soldier might still be alive, a mother would still have her son, a wife would still have her husband and 2 year old Jack would still have his daddy.
I defy anyone to defend these monsters they are the scum of the earth !!
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Dancing Queen wrote:
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Yet the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'

No it doesn't.
I believe the 7th commandment is thou shalt not kill.

John
If it is John then it's a shame the murdering b******s who were Nigerian but British by birth weren't aware of it considering they'd had a good christian upbringing, if they were then a young soldier might still be alive, a mother would still have her son, a wife would still have her husband and 2 year old Jack would still have his daddy.
I defy anyone to defend these monsters they are the scum of the earth !!
Couldn't agree more and cowards as well.

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