Facebook Groups

[JohnTheDog]

I prefer forums like this myself, I am happy to contribute to both sorts though. FB's problem is a lack of sections & archive like web based forums

[Delboy]

Well I will try to explain again but please don't accuse me of repeating myself....
The group formed was done so to avoid all the nastiness on the old one, it was & still is very good with over 300 members, 70+ more that when there was a split because one person left before he was removed due to increasingly bizzare posts & behaviour. You Delboy would not know anything about the content of these groups, as I may be wrong, but you are not a member? I have alluded to why the original person of the group stood down, bereavement & other life changing events, this has to be respected even though difficult to follow. The original group formed could be described as breakaway I suppose, but it was really just a way to avoid those who usually spoil such groups. I tend to agree that it is better to be open, but the members wanted to keep it closed mainly due to being concerned about being able to speak freely, remember that on FB people have to use their real names or at least most have to.

I do not knock fb groups, as I often look in but rarely post, much preferring forums.

I do not dispute what you say about this persons bizarre posts and behaviour, but If that was the case, who decided his posts were so. Taking into account the admin team, the site originator and about another 100 members also joined him when he left, which has now increased to over 200 members.
I know the reasons the originator stood down, but was still one of the first members to join this persons group and is still a member.
Don't get me wrong I am not defending this person, just making the point that closed fb groups are not immune to the same problems as open fb groups or forums. The grass is not always greener on the other side as some would try to have us believe.
Also in closed fb groups posters can post what they like about others, without them having a right of reply.

[Kendhni]

Apart from my personal Facebook page which only family and friends can see, I have found that members of Facebook groups are equal to each other, that is, I haven't experienced cliques and groups which have excluded me within the Facebook pages I am a member of.

I think you missed the irony in my post, Mo.
The whole existence of Facebook is based upon a collection of private and public groups which is how it is meant to be. However for some reason when people go onto forums, MOST of which have similar private and public groups, then suddenly they get called 'cliques' ?? It is a bit like a pub .. you see a group of people sitting having a chat, you can barge into the middle of them and they may or may not pass pleasantries with you ... but if they ignore you then you just shrug your shoulders and walk on ... Facebook, forums and other social media sites are the same ... why some expect virtual worlds to be any different is beyond me.

[Mo2013]

Apart from my personal Facebook page which only family and friends can see, I have found that members of Facebook groups are equal to each other, that is, I haven't experienced cliques and groups which have excluded me within the Facebook pages I am a member of.

I think you missed the irony in my post, Mo.
The whole existence of Facebook is based upon a collection of private and public groups which is how it is meant to be. However for some reason when people go onto forums, MOST of which have similar private and public groups, then suddenly they get called 'cliques' ?? It is a bit like a pub .. you see a group of people sitting having a chat, you can barge into the middle of them and they may or may not pass pleasantries with you ... but if they ignore you then you just shrug your shoulders and walk on ... Facebook, forums and other social media sites are the same ... why some expect virtual worlds to be any different is beyond me.

Ken, yes, it would appear that your irony went over my head. Sorry.
Whilst I would not barge into a group of people in a pub, but as a member of a particular group I would expect to be treated equally with the other members of the group. Cliques are those who share in-jokes about which others have no knowledge so cannot share the humour, and cliques are closed groups where you may not be allowed to join, I'm pretty sure that lots will have been said within those groups about those who were denied membership and so had no right of reply.

[Kendhni]

Cliques are those who share in-jokes about which others have no knowledge so cannot share the humour, and cliques are closed groups where you may not be allowed to join, I'm pretty sure that lots will have been said within those groups about those who were denied membership and so had no right of reply.

Which is no different to closed groups on the likes of Facebook .. .that is the point many are making ... Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIN, forums etc. are all forms of social media .. all have their closed and open areas ... who knows what is going on behind many of those? People seem to apply the concept of 'clique' freely to social media but totally ignore that it exists in real life, whether that be closed doors in an office; churches; schools; dance classes etc. ... they are all 'private clubs' and nobody has a right of entry.

To be honest I think in many cases people have more of a fear about what is said in them than actually does occur. I remember one group I was a member of being accused of talking about someone, the reality was that the person was so insignificant and irrelevant that we didn't waste time on discussing them.

It is like the school gate story ... if you get more than two mothers standing there talking then they will stand there for ages because the one that moves first knows that the remainder will be talking about her.

[Mo2013]

Delboy wrote "Also in closed fb groups posters can post what they like about others, without them having a right of reply." The same is true of banned members of an open forum who do not have the right of reply.

[Manoverboard]

... The same is true of banned members of an open forum who do not have the right of reply.

Taking the P&O site as an example there were a number of postings that were deleted by Admin that made reference by name to banned Members, problem I dare say is that they needed to be reported for Admin to be aware of them so some may have slipped through.

[Mo2013]

... The same is true of banned members of an open forum who do not have the right of reply.

Taking the P&O site as an example there were a number of postings that were deleted by Admin that made reference by name to banned Members, problem I dare say is that they needed to be reported for Admin to be aware of them so some may have slipped through.

Thank you Manoverboard, I recall reading a lot of unpleasant references to those who were not able to respond and I am not altogether sure that many people would have bothered to report them. Anyway, be that as it may, I was just drawing a comparison between what has been said about those with no right of reply.

[JohnTheDog]

Out of interest on the FB group I frequent most .....

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[Manoverboard]

No problem Mo2013 ...

So, that little matter has now been cleared up and reached its conclusion, I trust therefore that nobody else will need to mention banned Members in other sites.

[Mo2013]

Manoverboard, yes, I agree and by the same token I assume that there doesn't need to be any more mention of other people not having the right of reply to comments made on groups closed to them?

[JohnTheDog]

Well I will try to explain again but please don't accuse me of repeating myself....
The group formed was done so to avoid all the nastiness on the old one, it was & still is very good with over 300 members, 70+ more that when there was a split because one person left before he was removed due to increasingly bizzare posts & behaviour. You Delboy would not know anything about the content of these groups, as I may be wrong, but you are not a member? I have alluded to why the original person of the group stood down, bereavement & other life changing events, this has to be respected even though difficult to follow. The original group formed could be described as breakaway I suppose, but it was really just a way to avoid those who usually spoil such groups. I tend to agree that it is better to be open, but the members wanted to keep it closed mainly due to being concerned about being able to speak freely, remember that on FB people have to use their real names or at least most have to.

I do not knock fb groups, as I often look in but rarely post, much preferring forums.

I do not dispute what you say about this persons bizarre posts and behaviour, but If that was the case, who decided his posts were so. Taking into account the admin team, the site originator and about another 100 members also joined him when he left, which has now increased to over 200 members.
I know the reasons the originator stood down, but was still one of the first members to join this persons group and is still a member.
Don't get me wrong I am not defending this person, just making the point that closed fb groups are not immune to the same problems as open fb groups or forums. The grass is not always greener on the other side as some would try to have us believe.
Also in closed fb groups posters can post what they like about others, without them having a right of reply.

Delboy I must admit I have no idea why the groups administrator joined the new group, I GUESS & I say Guess that she was just joined up by the person who started it, she was also made admin but removed herself from that position.
As for the other group, I expect if I looked down the list of members probably maybe 20/30 are people I know from FB, & most if not all are still members of the original group, the rest have just joined because they don't know any different, though I would imagine someone taking one of my pictures without permission & posting it there for people to mock would give them a clue.
People do not post about others in the group I am in.

[HK phooey]

If you really want to start afresh with this forum could you please give it a rest with all the old grudges etc dragged over from old groups? All it does is create discord and boredom.

Wise words edited to include all members of the forum. Whatever has happened in the past should remain there.

[Delboy]

... The same is true of banned members of an open forum who do not have the right of reply.

Taking the P&O site as an example there were a number of postings that were deleted by Admin that made reference by name to banned Members, problem I dare say is that they needed to be reported for Admin to be aware of them so some may have slipped through.

I would also add MOB that if there were posts on the P&O forum referring to a named banned member, the posts would have been on the open forum and been able to have been read by the banned member, unlike in a closed fb group
That member although banned, would have still been able to have reported it, and drawn it to the attention of Admin by EMail
My last word on the matter, but needed to be made clear

[Mo2013]

There are so many groups out there people can join as many as they wish surely? If for example, the founder of one group is friends with someone who goes off and sets up another group, and joins them, there is nothing wrong with that surely? We all have choices. I recently felt uncomfortable at a thread on a FB group I was on which consisted of comments on a picture of someone which was posted without their permission. I didn't like the thread, and it was eventually pulled from that page because several people expressed dismay at it, but it remained on the unofficial P&O Facebook page. Now that would not be allowed on here and that is another reason why forums are better than Facebook. I have left both the unofficial Facebook page and the other group I was on and this is the only forum I'm on now.

[Manoverboard]

... I would also add MOB that if there were posts on the P&O forum referring to a named banned member, the posts would have been on the open forum and been able to have been read by the banned member, unlike in a closed fb group
That member although banned, would have still been able to have reported it, and drawn it to the attention of Admin by EMail
My last word on the matter, but needed to be made clear

Exactly Delboy, you are spot on .... on both counts.

[Manoverboard]

Ok ..... Time's up, it is starting to develop into a battle of wills rather than a discussion.

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