London Fire

[Mervyn and Trish]

It's open season at present for all the Marxist luvvies and their fellow travellers in the BBC to stir things up. I am fed up with politics on TV. It is a feeding frenzy for the media and the end is nowhere near in sight.

Ok Frank I'll take the bait. I'm not sure why you had to single out the BBC there. As far as I could see the agitation in London was widely reported on ITV, and Sky, and in every single national newspaper this morning. Have the Marxists infiltrated the Torygraph and the Daily Wail too?

[Kendhni]

I'm getting angrier by the minute with the extremist mob trying to make capital out of this tragedy. People have died. People have life changing injuries. People have lost their homes. And among the stuff I've seen today are scum laying in to the Red Cross for launching an appeal to help. All to score political points.

I agree M&T, I lost a lot of sympathy with some when I saw the rent-a-mob 'demanding' answers and information. They must know that it is going to take weeks, months or even years to get those answers. Also playing the 'we are poor so nobody cares' attitude wore thin the first time it was used.

You have to ask who or what is riling them up ........

Jezzer was fast enough to arrive and start hugging people. Good on him for that. But why is he not also appealling for calm and space for hard pressed agencies to do their work?

And that may have answered my last question. Corbyn is very untrustworthy both in words and deeds; he has a machiavellian nature who is willing to lie, mislead and sell every principle he has to meet the needs of his puppet masters.

My only question to the authorities is that since the govt has released an immediate £5m and London has more hotels than any other city in this country why are the victims still sleeping on floors?

A very good question, but it isn't just money that is required it is advice and guidance and orchestration to move the people to where they need to be.

[david63]

Just a thought - I wonder how may of the residents had contents insurance?

[towny44]

It does appear that the authorities seem to have adopted the worst aspects of P&O's customer service in the way they are not organising the relief work, I am finding it difficult to think how they could have handled it any worse

[david63]

I can, up to a point, have some sympathy with the Council as there is no precedent for handling such a disaster - but on the other hand I thought that all councils had various "disaster" plans in place.

There is a video on the BBC website of a reporter at the Town Hall which is deserted even though there are many items that have been donated and cannot be distributed. Now it may well be that the video was shot at 5 this morning before anyone arrived and by now it is hub of activity.

I see the Government are now sending a team in to take over the organisation - probably better late than never!

[Frank Manning]

It's open season at present for all the Marxist luvvies and their fellow travellers in the BBC to stir things up. I am fed up with politics on TV. It is a feeding frenzy for the media and the end is nowhere near in sight.

Ok Frank I'll take the bait. I'm not sure why you had to single out the BBC there. As far as I could see the agitation in London was widely reported on ITV, and Sky, and in every single national newspaper this morning. Have the Marxists infiltrated the Torygraph and the Daily Wail too?

I was really thinking about the BBC, Mervyn. Where 80% of the news bulletins are highly political with an obvious left wing bias. If their news was as good as some of their other programmes it wouldn't be so bad. The Wail and Torygraph seem to be the opposite, and seem to have a thinly disguised objective to get a very right wing MP of their choice into No 10. The Wail is still having a regular pop at Cameron, not to mention endless muckraking about the injustices real and imagined to the late Princess Diana. That Simon Heffer is one of their headbangers. I buy The Times which is pretty neutral, and keep an eye on the Wail, Torygraph, and Guardian on line just to see what the extremists are spouting.

Right, back under the stone.

Au revoir (We are having French lessons ready for the Brexit debacle to unfold, so we can go somewhere for Strong and Stable government)

[Meg 50]

Just a thought - I wonder how may of the residents had contents insurance?

but, no doubt, the insurance co. won't pay up w/o a policy number - assuming the poor s*ds can remember which co. they are with

[Manoverboard]

Wouldn't you think that anybody with half a brain at the Council Offices could, and deffo should, have organized a list of all the tenants / owners in the block and then matched that with those who have survived else are known to have perished or are in hospital etc.

Most likely they are all in the West Country having a well earned rest .... shocking and totally uncaring and inefficient.

[oldbluefox]

Wouldn't you think that anybody with half a brain at the Council Offices could, and deffo should, have organized a list of all the tenants / owners in the block and then matched that with those who have survived else are known to have perished or are in hospital etc.

Most likely they are all in the West Country having a well earned rest .... shocking and totally uncaring and inefficient.

................................. and wouldn't Mrs May have advisers who would be telling her what she should, and should not be doing.
Mind you, having seen the calibre of the two advisers who wrote up the manifesto and some of the policies it is not surprising she may have got it all wrong. Personally I would rather have somebody with a firm hold of the tiller than another wandering around offering platitudes and giving away free hugs. Sadly Mrs May seems to have done neither.

On the subject of coverage on the BBC and Sky News I wonder how many of these little left wing luvvies of reporters live in Kensington and don't fancy having their windows smashed or aggravation on the streets if they say anything about the mob. Sadly I see a trend towards mob rule. We saw it in the Scottish referendum, following on from the Brexit result and now throughout and since the election with objectors shouting out on TV debates, angry exchanges and protests on the street by those who lost. Corbyn is now being declared 'Prime Minister in waiting' and O'Donnell is calling for millions to take to the streets to oust May. It appears mob rule is overtaking democracy.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Let's hope Corbyn waits a good long time!

And let's hope too that the anti-democratic mob rule tactics backfire.

To achieve what he did in the election he must have picked up some middle of the road voters probably disenchanted by the poor Tory manifesto and campaign. And many of those may have been protest votes when it looked like the Tories were going to win again.

Next time round, whether it's in 5 years or 5 months, with the possibility of Jezzer actually winning and after a few months of strife and disruption egged on my the Marxist mob, maybe they'll think again.

To win in the UK you need the floating voters as well as the extremists on your side of the fence.

[johnds]

Wouldn't you think that anybody with half a brain at the Council Offices could, and deffo should, have organized a list of all the tenants / owners in the block and then matched that with those who have survived else are known to have perished or are in hospital etc.

Most likely they are all in the West Country having a well earned rest .... shocking and totally uncaring and inefficient.

The problem is that the Council do not know who the occupants were. I believe that in London illegal sub-letting is very prevalent.

[Stephen]

Another London attack. Possibly terrorist related.

One person dead, ten more injured.

Finsbury Park Mosque: Man dies as van hits worshippers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40322960

[Kendhni]

Did anyone else see Corbyn's crocodile tears when being interviewed about Finsbury - what a vile manipulative creature he is.

[CaroleF]

And he could end up being our Prime Minister!

[screwy]

Reported on the Biased Broadcasting Corp that 180 families from the Grenfell Tower Disaster have received help from the Govts' Disaster Fund...
As there were 120 Apts in the building how doesthat work..??
I'm sure someone will be able to come to an answer..

[towny44]

Reported on the Biased Broadcasting Corp that 180 families from the Grenfell Tower Disaster have received help from the Govts' Disaster Fund...
As there were 120 Apts in the building how doesthat work..??
I'm sure someone will be able to come to an answer..

Good question screwy, however I think some families in nearby apts which are deemed unsafe because of Grenfell Tower have had to vacate their properties, so this figure might include them.

[Mervyn and Trish]

And some apartments may have contained members of more than one family. One issue the leftie mob are ducking when they complain about delay in confirming how many have died is that there is some suggestion that people with unclear immigration status may have been lodging there. It is no less tragic if they have lost their lives but would contribute to uncertainty about who exactly was living there. They won't have been on the electoral roll or the rent book.

[Manoverboard]

No but the person who does pay the rent / rates would surely be obliged to provide the information ... albeit it could well be inaccurate in order to conceal the illegals who are living in his flat

[Mervyn and Trish]

In theory I'm sure yes Moby. But if they haven't and sadly all the occupants of a flat, or indeed whole floors of the building, have died there's no one to ask. Which is why it's so difficult.

[qbman1]

Reported on the Biased Broadcasting Corp that 180 families from the Grenfell Tower Disaster have received help from the Govts' Disaster Fund...
As there were 120 Apts in the building how doesthat work..??
I'm sure someone will be able to come to an answer..

Apparently, Diane Abbott did the count !

[Quizzical Bob]

Reported on the Biased Broadcasting Corp that 180 families from the Grenfell Tower Disaster have received help from the Govts' Disaster Fund...
As there were 120 Apts in the building how doesthat work..??
I'm sure someone will be able to come to an answer..

Some of the apartments were illegally sub-let.

From The Independent:

Undocumented migrants and illegal subtenants who survived the Grenfell Tower blaze may be unaccounted for and are not seeking state support due to fears over their immigration and housing status, charities and legal experts have warned. Underreporting of illegal subtenants could also mean the death toll is higher than currently assumed, it is feared.

Volunteers and charities working for the support effort in the local community have come across a number of undocumented migrants or asylum seekers who have lost everything following the blaze, but are afraid to seek help from authorities for fears that they could be referred onto police or the Home Office.

Members of the community have also raised concerns that large “swathes” of foreign nationals who lived in the block and may have been undocumented have simply “disappeared” and are not on any missing lists, raising concerns that they have either fled the site or are among the dead but unaccounted for.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Reported on the Biased Broadcasting Corp that 180 families from the Grenfell Tower Disaster have received help from the Govts' Disaster Fund...
As there were 120 Apts in the building how doesthat work..??
I'm sure someone will be able to come to an answer..

Some of the apartments were illegally sub-let.

From The Independent:

Undocumented migrants and illegal subtenants who survived the Grenfell Tower blaze may be unaccounted for and are not seeking state support due to fears over their immigration and housing status, charities and legal experts have warned. Underreporting of illegal subtenants could also mean the death toll is higher than currently assumed, it is feared.

Volunteers and charities working for the support effort in the local community have come across a number of undocumented migrants or asylum seekers who have lost everything following the blaze, but are afraid to seek help from authorities for fears that they could be referred onto police or the Home Office.

Members of the community have also raised concerns that large “swathes” of foreign nationals who lived in the block and may have been undocumented have simply “disappeared” and are not on any missing lists, raising concerns that they have either fled the site or are among the dead but unaccounted for.

Can't see the loony left accepting that. But sadly probably pretty much the truth of a dreadful situation

[david63]

I see that McDonnell has been shouting his mouth off again claiming that it was murder. I am getting fed up to the back teeth with all this political "point scoring" over the tragedy - not only is it irresponsible and possibly compromising the inquiry, it is also implicating his own party.

Yet another sign that the current Labour leadership is "not fit for purpose".

[oldbluefox]

Flats in Plymouth have reportedly been found to be clad in combustible materials. These were installed twenty years ago. I presume this was Theresa May's fault as well.
What I fail to understand is why these materials were sanctioned at the planning stage and how have these flats got successive fire safety approval over the years.
It is a disgrace that the Labour Party leaders are using this tragedy to stir up civil unrest for their own political needs.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I see that McDonnell has been shouting his mouth off again claiming that it was murder. I am getting fed up to the back teeth with all this political "point scoring" over the tragedy - not only is it irresponsible and possibly compromising the inquiry, it is also implicating his own party.

Yet another sign that the current Labour leadership is "not fit for purpose".

I hate the point scoring too. And McDonnell needs to check his history before he does it. First there were worries expressed in 2009. Just let me think. Who was the government then? And a lot of the blocks now being found to be clad in the same or similar stuff are in Labour controlled authority areas. Better to check the wind direction before slinging mud.