Brexit

[Stephen]

I thought he was won in a raffle......just saying

[barney]

A Brexiter speaks

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... hink-again

And he’s taking sense.

The most inaccurate statement in that whole piece is the first.
Peter Osborne was never a hard Brexiteer.
After the referendum, he accepted the result, but has sniped from the sidelines ever since, advocating a soft as possible brexit.
He has hardly changed stance.
He is/was a massive advocate for May/EU deal so to pretend that he has had some sort of epiphany is bulls*it.

[Quizzical Bob]

What is almost certain is that if our country had have all pulled in the same direction after the referendum result, things would have been different. The simple point that many could and would not accept the result changed an awful lot.

You've got a nerve. You have piled a huge heap of guano on top of us and then ask us to dig ourselves out of it.

No matter how much pulling together there is we shall all still be poorer and weaker as a result of it. This is your vote - own it.

[Quizzical Bob]

I think that time is up for the brexit we expected. If TM and Jezza cannot cobble a part remain deal together or the EU refuse extension, then that is when Parliament will revoke A50. Whatever now happens, brexit is over. Sorry but that is my assessment of the situation.

Mine too Barney but not too bothered since anything further watered down from TMs political declaration will not, IMO, be a real Brexit, so we may as well stay in and create disruption from within.

'Real Brexit'?

You didn't vote for that

[Onelife]

It sounds like Peter Osbourne blows with the wind….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... BORNE.html

[Jack Staff]

Might be an interesting week.....

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/

[Gill W]

A Brexiter speaks

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opende ... hink-again

And he’s taking sense.

The most inaccurate statement in that whole piece is the first.
Peter Osborne was never a hard Brexiteer.
After the referendum, he accepted the result, but has sniped from the sidelines ever since, advocating a soft as possible brexit.
He has hardly changed stance.
He is/was a massive advocate for May/EU deal so to pretend that he has had some sort of epiphany is bulls*it.

Being a massive advocate of the EU/May deal is being a strong Brexiter - or are you telling Onelife that he's not a strong Brexiter?

I posted the piece to indicate that the sands are shifting - but, deep down, I knew it'd be futile.

[Gill W]

What is almost certain is that if our country had have all pulled in the same direction after the referendum result, things would have been different. The simple point that many could and would not accept the result changed an awful lot.

You've got a nerve. You have piled a huge heap of guano on top of us and then ask us to dig ourselves out of it.

No matter how much pulling together there is we shall all still be poorer and weaker as a result of it. This is your vote - own it.

Well said Bob, but they won't. Most have fixed themselves in a position from June 2016, and are incapable of budging, no matter what has happened since.

The tides are now shifting, but they remain in their bunker, unable to move with current events.

I have tried to tak about it with them, but had to give it up, as it was like banging my head against a brick wall.

They are on the wrong side of history, but can't see it yet, and maybe never will.

[Gill W]

Might be an interesting week.....

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/

All I know is that 'something will happen this week.

I'm expecting a long extension - then, who knows.

[Jack Staff]

Might be an interesting week.....

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/

All I know is that 'something will happen this week.

I'm expecting a long extension - then, who knows.

I'm very much inclined to agree. But it would only take one sovereign member state to exercise it's right to say 'non' and it leaves Tressa with little choice but to revoke - on Thursday(?).

[barney]

Might be an interesting week.....

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/

All I know is that 'something will happen this week.

I'm expecting a long extension - then, who knows.

I'm very much inclined to agree. But it would only take one sovereign member state to exercise it's right to say 'non' and it leaves Tressa with little choice but to revoke - on Thursday(?).

I'm also very much inclined to agree Jack & Gill
Brexit is over.
Remain lost the vote but eventually won.

[towny44]

I am still very concerned that TM might give in to pressure from Labour to water down her Brexit even more. It amazes me that any leave voter or supporter would consider that leaving in a customs union is of any use at all, and yet the Govt. position seems to rule out staying and undertaking guerilla action as the better option of the two.

[barney]

Unfortunately john, this parliament will revoke A50 before agreeing to leave under normal WTO terms.
The default position technically remains that we leave on the 12th but the reality is that is not going to happen.

The most likely scenario is an extension, granted by the EU, with conditions attached.

May has boxed herself into a corner and has no option but to accept it, then hopefully resign and unleash the dogs of war.

If she signs a legally binding agreement that castrates future governments, she will go down as the worst Tory PM ever.

It's all gone a bit t*ts up for Jezza as well, because he clearly wanted the Tories to take us out, and then ride in on his white steed to pick up the pieces. He is now part of the Great Brexit stitch up.

If the result is eventually overturned, which I now expect it will be, it drives a bus (pun intended) through his fiscal policies.
He needs us out of the EU to allow his nationalisation plans.
That is the centre of his policies, but is forbidden under EU competition law, (which by the way, has little or no impact on member states, or so some say)

[Jack Staff]

If the result is eventually overturned, which I now expect it will be, it drives a bus (pun intended) through his fiscal policies.
He needs us out of the EU to allow his nationalisation plans.
That is the centre of his policies, but is forbidden under EU competition law, (which by the way, has little or no impact on member states, or so some say)

I've never understood why Magic Grandpa thinks this.
Most of our railways are state owned already. Just happens to be French, German, Dutch state railways.

[Quizzical Bob]

All I know is that 'something will happen this week.

I'm expecting a long extension - then, who knows.

Blimey, I haven't had one of those in years!

[barney]

Whatever Jack, you'd better get used to it because I think he's a shoe in as the next PM after 2022. It may depend if Change UK can hold together which is unlikely in my opinion but whether it's a majority or coalition, Jezza will be likely be PM

[Quizzical Bob]

Brexit is over.
Remain lost the vote but eventually won.

Barney, I personally wouldn't see it as a matter of winning or losing but I would breathe a huge sigh of relief if matters were put on hold for the foreseeable future. We have been herded up a dead-end canyon which leads to nowhere but a cliff-edge. In my view we need to go back to the fork in the road and have a good long think about where we go next.

Where we are poised now is between a disaster for the country or a disaster for the Tory Party and I know which one I would prefer.

[Jack Staff]

Whatever Jack, you'd better get used to it because I think he's a shoe in as the next PM after 2022. It may depend if Change UK can hold together which is unlikely in my opinion but whether it's a majority or coalition, Jezza will be likely be PM

Don't know about that. When the Article 50 hits the fan I would imagine almost a complete change of (significant) politicians, in both parties.
Corby is now seen as a Tory enabler.

[Manoverboard]

The ' eleventh hour ' is almost upon us ….. stay calm

ps …. Barney-eh's sound alike is in Ireland, presumably discussing the finer details of an addendum.



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[Ray Scully]

I'm also very much inclined to agree Jack & Gill
Brexit is over.
Remain lost the vote but eventually won.
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But at least LEAVE introduced us to the ERG and Mark (“Up yours”) Francois, the Essex Brexit bovver boy.

[anniec]

But at least LEAVE introduced us to the ERG and Mark (“Up yours”) Francois, the Essex Brexit bovver boy.

One of life's mysteries is that JRM allows him anywhere near a camera.

A question for the experts out there: If the Letwin/Cooper bill passes into law tonight, what happens if there is no deal by Friday and the EU refuses an extension? Could we still leave without a deal on Friday?

[Jack Staff]

A question for the experts out there: If the Letwin/Cooper bill passes into law tonight, what happens if there is no deal by Friday and the EU refuses an extension? Do we still leave without a deal on Friday?

While not qualified to answer, If she is not allowed to leave no deal and the EU says no extension, then she has only one choice - to revoke Article 50.

[oldbluefox]

I'm also very much inclined to agree Jack & Gill
Brexit is over.
Remain lost the vote but eventually won.

But at least LEAVE introduced us to the ERG and Mark (“Up yours”) Francois, the Essex Brexit bovver boy.
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And the bleating Yvette Cooper and raving Anna Soubry

[anniec]

And the bleating Yvette Cooper and raving Anna Soubry

Absolutely. I wouldn't allow Soubry near a camera either, but doubt the leader of the Tiggers (or whatever they're called now) fancies telling her. I certainly wouldn't.

[anniec]

'While not qualified to answer, If she is not allowed to leave no deal and the EU says no extension, then she has only one choice - to revoke Article 50.

Thanks Jack. So if the Cooper/Letwin bill becomes law, that supersedes the previous legal default position?