Brexit

[oldbluefox]

I thought Cameron said this was a "once in a lifetime" opportunity irrespective of what Farage said. It has already been said that Farage does not lead a political party so I would think that whatever he said was immaterial.

Clearly Remainers are concerned by his presence on the political scene but the use of words such as 'suggest', 'could be' and 'seems' hold little water unless there is evidence to support the claims made about/against him.
I remain cynical about the motives of many of our politicians who seem obsessed with protecting their own interests and have ulterior motives which are not necessarily for the good of their constituents or the country but that is a different story.
The Brexit Party and the spent force which is UKIP are the only ones now campaigning to bring about the Brexit we voted for. I would prefer we left with a deal but if that is not possible we leave on WTO terms and negotiate with the EU from there.

[Ray Scully]

The Brexit Party and the spent force which is UKIP are the only ones now campaigning to bring about the Brexit we voted for. I would prefer we left with a deal but if that is not possible we leave on WTO terms and negotiate with the EU from there.

OBF Our negotiating position against the 27 has always been weak, crashing out and the turmoil this would cause would weaken it further. The EU has already stated that any deals would have to include the back stop. However crashing out would see off the Unicorns of the hard right and the Brexit party,

[oldbluefox]

So they say Ray.........
In 2016 Osborne predicted that in the event of voting to leave sterling would fall by 12%, unemployment would rise by 520,000, average wages would fall by 2.8% and house prices would be hit by 10%. (BBC May 2016)
This did not materialise, in some instances quite the opposite so you must understand why I, along with others, remain unconvinced by the arguments put out by the remainers. Living in areas of the country which sees little by way of benefit from our membership of the EU surely you can understand why we vote as we do. Fine for those who enjoy the benefits but not for the vast swathes, mostly in the north who do not.

[Kendhni]

So they say Ray.........
In 2016 Osborne predicted that in the event of voting to leave sterling would fall by 12%, unemployment would rise by 520,000, average wages would fall by 2.8% and house prices would be hit by 10%. (BBC May 2016)
This did not materialise, in some instances quite the opposite so you must understand why I, along with others, remain unconvinced by the arguments put out by the remainers. Living in areas of the country which sees little by way of benefit from our membership of the EU surely you can understand why we vote as we do. Fine for those who enjoy the benefits but not for the vast swathes, mostly in the north who do not.

I assume you forgot about the billions of QE (can't remember the figure) released by the BoE the weekend after the referendum to shore up the pound ... yet it still lost more than 12% of its value, recovered very slightly and then fell back where it has remained at since then. Personally I would have preferred it if that money had have been spent on the NHS. The BoE also made available some £250bn of loans to the other banks should the run into trouble and Carney made several speeches about loosening up on the economy.

Cameron then took it on himself to resign quickly which introduced stability in to the market.

If those events, and others had not taken, then sterling could have taken a much harder hit - we will never know, however there is no doubt the action taken did help protect the UK economy.

[Ray Scully]

So they say Ray.........
In 2016 Osborne predicted that in the event of voting to leave sterling would fall by 12%, unemployment would rise by 520,000, average wages would fall by 2.8% and house prices would be hit by 10%. (BBC May 2016)
This did not materialise, in some instances quite the opposite so you must understand why I, along with others, remain unconvinced by the arguments put out by the remainers. Living in areas of the country which sees little by way of benefit from our membership of the EU surely you can understand why we vote as we do. Fine for those who enjoy the benefits but not for the vast swathes, mostly in the north who do not.

OBF Likewise we do not appear to see a lot of EU money in our area, However agricultural funding does greatly help rural areas; fortunately we do not have the areas of deprivation often linked with EU support. In saying that, EU support was instrumental in the resurgence of the city and waterfront at Liverpool. Interestingly Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly receive 41 times the funding allocated to Thames Valley/Buckinghamshire
For specific information on EU spends in your area https://www.myeu.uk/

[towny44]

So they say Ray.........
In 2016 Osborne predicted that in the event of voting to leave sterling would fall by 12%, unemployment would rise by 520,000, average wages would fall by 2.8% and house prices would be hit by 10%. (BBC May 2016)
This did not materialise, in some instances quite the opposite so you must understand why I, along with others, remain unconvinced by the arguments put out by the remainers. Living in areas of the country which sees little by way of benefit from our membership of the EU surely you can understand why we vote as we do. Fine for those who enjoy the benefits but not for the vast swathes, mostly in the north who do not.

I assume you forgot about the billions of QE (can't remember the figure) released by the BoE the weekend after the referendum to shore up the pound ... yet it still lost more than 12% of its value, recovered very slightly and then fell back where it has remained at since then. Personally I would have preferred it if that money had have been spent on the NHS. The BoE also made available some £250bn of loans to the other banks should the run into trouble and Carney made several speeches about loosening up on the economy.

Cameron then took it on himself to resign quickly which introduced stability in to the market.

If those events, and others had not taken, then sterling could have taken a much harder hit - we will never know, however there is no doubt the action taken did help protect the UK economy.

I think you might be a little off there Ken, the B of E had used £575bn of QE from 2009 until 2016, they did introduce a further £435bn but not until August 2016 and I believe in collaboration with the ECB to help reduce the anxiety in the market caused by the brexit result and not to protect sterling. QE is intended to provide adequate liquidity in the market to help the economy from falling into recession, not solely to support a currency.

[oldbluefox]

They also admitted to "some sizeable errors of a forecasting nature".

[oldbluefox]

For specific information on EU spends in your area https://www.myeu.uk/

Thanks for the link Ray but I wish you hadn't posted it. Having looked at where the funding has gone in my area I cannot help but feel, whilst minimal, it is good money which has been frittered away on aimless projects.
Fiddling while Rome burns comes to mind. You would only have to spend ten minutes with the locals who will tell you where money needs to be spent and none of these projects would feature. It's no surprise the Leave vote is so strong in these parts.

[barney]

Well, that a massive win for Remain, wasn't it ?

A really bad night for the big players, as predicted.

I believe that this result makes Brexit the largest party in the EU parliament.

The world gets stranger by the day.

Off to Padstow to catch up with friends.

[Gill W]

Look beyond the headlines Barney.

UKIP lost 23 seats from 2014, and Brexit ‘Party’ has won 29 this time. So the Cult of Farage has only gained 6 seats, whereas Lib Dem and Green have gained 18 seats.

Looking at vote share taken when 99% of results in
Remain Parties 40.4%
Hard Brexit Parties 34.9%
Con/Lab 23.2%

There’s no majority for Farage’s brand of Brexit.

*sits back and waits for the cries of ‘the only vote that counts was 3 years ago’*

I’m not sure that all 17.4 million in 2016 were voting for Farage’s Brexit - the EU results tend to confirm this.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just popping in briefly to say this and then I'm gone again.

Using logic we've seen offered previously, only 40.4% voted to Remain. That means 59.6% voted to leave!

No, I don't think that makes sense either. But it's as valid as anyone else's interpretation.

In fact across Europe only 37% bothered to vote at all. That means 63% think the EU is irrelevant.

Another interpretation as valid as the rest.

That's it. I'm gone again.

(No, I'm not Jack's wife either!)

[Stephen]

Talking of Jack, what's happened to him. Haven't noticed him around lately.

Black balled by any chance

[screwy]

Nah, no one knows where he is to kick him...Oh, see what you mean now.sorry.

[Gill W]

Apologies, my earlier tweet was incorrect, Brexit 'Party' got 28 seats, not 29.

Like Mervyn, I'm out of this thread again, as the bitching about another forum member has resumed again.

[towny44]

Apologies, my earlier tweet was incorrect, Brexit 'Party' got 28 seats, not 29.

Like Mervyn, I'm out of this thread again, as the bitching about another forum member has resumed again.

Gill, if you really consider the tongue in cheek jocular comments to be bitching, then I suggest you are not really suited to posting on any social media site.

[Golden Princess]

I think that such bitching is not suited to any social media site.

It just shows what type of person considers such bitching is a jocular comment.

[screwy]

Lighten up ladies...beginning to sound like the anti-fun police. Tongue in cheek comments are what they are, you would never have survived in a hard work place.

[Gill W]

Gill, if you really consider the tongue in cheek jocular comments to be bitching, then I suggest you are not really suited to posting on any social media site.

Joking about kicking someone might be considered jocular if they were actually involved in the 'banter'

In this case, not for the first time, the subject of the alleged 'banter' is not involved in the conversation. It's basically poking fun at someone behind their back. It's not funny or clever, and I think it has no place on what should be a friendly forum.

Lighten up ladies...beginning to sound like the anti-fun police. Tongue in cheek comments are what they are, you would never have survived in a hard work place.

I did very well at work, thanks, as I was prepared to stand up for myself and for other people.

I wonder how you'd like it if someone made a snotty comment about you behind your back

[Golden Princess]

The innuendo in the jocular comments toward Jack unfortunately are somewhat similar to the disgusting comment made towards him last year.
This time behind his back..

It is not funny, it is not clever. It just show up the people writing (and condoning) such comments.

[Manoverboard]

The innuendo in the jocular comments toward Jack unfortunately are somewhat similar to the disgusting comment made towards him last year.
This time behind his back..

It is not funny, it is not clever. It just show up the people writing (and condoning) such comments.

Everybody reads things in a different way and no way is right simply because you, Gill, I or Screwy etc happens to think that it is.

Anybody old enough to remember freedom of speech before the snowflake brigade arrived ?


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[Golden Princess]

Freedom of speech is fine. But there used to be unwritten ideas of what is acceptable. This has disappeared sadly. It is now considered acceptable to say inappropriate things in public places. Anyone slightly different or with different views are now considered to be targets, or snowflakes if they should express their concerns. This must be the taking back of control. Ridicule anything that does not confirm with your own ideology.

[Gill W]

The innuendo in the jocular comments toward Jack unfortunately are somewhat similar to the disgusting comment made towards him last year.
This time behind his back..

It is not funny, it is not clever. It just show up the people writing (and condoning) such comments.

Everybody reads things in a different way and no way is right simply because you, Gill, I or Screwy etc happens to think that it is.

Anybody old enough to remember freedom of speech before the snowflake brigade arrived ?


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I’m old enough to remember when making somebody the subject of an off colour joke behind their back was considered to be not very nice.

[barney]

So, the Brexit party end up as the joint largest party in the whole of the EU parliament and the main stream media manages to report it as a massive victory for the Libdems.

I was most concerned as Politico EU had an article about the extreme far right in the UK.
The Brexit Party ???????

Did they not look at the background of the candidates?
Clearly not!

[oldbluefox]

The fox has been let loose in the coop and they are all running around like headless chickens trying to find some excuse for the results. Listening to Anna Soubry this morning you could have been forgiven for thinking they had won. They just don't get it do they?

[barney]

Stop Press

I've just found out that London has won the Premier league.

They combined the points of the Manchester clubs and the London clubs and the London clubs came out on top.

A resounding victory for London.

Everything will now be judged on this basis