Brexit

[qbman1]

I don't think anyone from either side actually understands the meaning of the word "negotiation"

So far as I can see, the EU hasn't negotiated on anything and we just keep making more concessions

I'm with James Dyson - just walk away

[Jack Staff]

I don't think anyone from either side actually understands the meaning of the word "negotiation"

So far as I can see, the EU hasn't negotiated on anything and we just keep making more concessions

I'm with James Dyson - just walk away

Imagine you have a nice car (I'm sure you do actually) and in the pub one night one of the rowdy regulars wants to buy it off you. You could just say no you can't, but you are a nice guy and want to keep the peace.
So he says give me your car and remember to fill it up beforehand.
You say, I don't think I would part with my car on those terms.
He says, OK I give you £100 for it.
You say, You will have to do a lot better than that.

Why should you make any concessions?

That's how negotiation works.

James Dyson walked away from the UK in 2002 when he moved his manufacturing to Malaysia. He is no British hero.

[Stephen]

I don't think anyone from either side actually understands the meaning of the word "negotiation"

So far as I can see, the EU hasn't negotiated on anything and we just keep making more concessions

I'm with James Dyson - just walk away

Imagine you have a nice car (I'm sure you do actually) and in the pub one night one of the rowdy regulars wants to buy it off you. You could just say no you can't, but you are a nice guy and want to keep the peace.
So he says give me your car and remember to fill it up beforehand.
You say, I don't think I would part with my car on those terms.
He says, OK I give you £100 for it.
You say, You will have to do a lot better than that.

Why should you make any concessions?

That's how negotiation works.

James Dyson walked away from the UK in 2002 when he moved his manufacturing to Malaysia. He is no British hero.

And don't forget the luxury floor mats and free first service

[Jack Staff]

Is it true we will all die if we leave the EU without a deal?
How do the rest of the world who are not in the EU manage?

Apart from China, which is a trade block in itself, all countries of any consequence are in a trading block.
For example:
Nafta - North American Free Trade Agreement
Mercosur - South America
Asean - Association of Southeast Asian Nations Free Trade Area
Comesa - Common Market of Eastern and Southern Africa
TPP -Trans-Pacific Partnership

[Jack Staff]

Continuing to observe many EU rules is most definitely not what I voted for, so I am increasingly moving towards a complete split with the EU, WTA tariffs and pull out now and refuse to pay anything more into their coffers; and I will be quite happy to suffer ANY consequences of that sort of separation if we can be free of all EU encumbrances.

Indulge me here a minute John, as I like to look to the future and imagine what MIGHT happen, passed Brexit.
This current Government is making a real 'pigs ear' of Brexit. I don't think there is much doubt on that.
Therefore it is quite likely that Corbyn will be returned at the next GE as PM.
Corbyn hates the banks and big multi nationals, this works fine as they will all be leaving anyway.
His plans for a Socialist country mean the whole structure of British society needs to be brought down and rebuilt. Brexit accomplishes the first part.
With the country in turmoil the people will have to accept his reforms and with the Henry VIII powers brought in by the current Government he will be able to do whatever he wants.
Do you really want to sacrifice your lives work on the altar of Brexit?

[Manoverboard]

Great Britain has now lost its seat at the International Court of Justice (to India), which we have held since the courts inception in 1946.

How much further has this country to fall before people realise enough is enough?

That is as a consequence of action taken by the Lebanese and nought to do with Brexit, nor indeed the EU.

[Jack Staff]

Great Britain has now lost its seat at the International Court of Justice (to India), which we have held since the courts inception in 1946.

How much further has this country to fall before people realise enough is enough?

That is as a consequence of action taken by the Lebanese and nought to do with Brexit, nor indeed the EU.

Yes, I did think that this possibly should have gone in the Current Affairs thread, but as it is indicative of how our countrys standing in the world is being diminished by Brexit I decided here would do.

What's next? Our permanent seat on the Security Council?

[Ray Scully]

Ye of little faith, never fear, we are of to the promised land. Mr Johnson Mr Gove Mr Davies, and NOT forgetting Ian Duncan Smith and Dr Fox told us so. We should have faith in such preeminent leaders.

[Ray Scully]

MORE FAKE NEWS

The UK could lose free trade deals with countries such as Canada, Japan and South Korea after Brexit, a Government minister admitted today.

Greg Hands, a junior minister in the Department for International Trade, confirmed today there “isn’t a guarantee” the EU’s agreements with more than 65 countries can be copied over to the UK after March 2019.

[Manoverboard]

Great Britain has now lost its seat at the International Court of Justice (to India), which we have held since the courts inception in 1946.

How much further has this country to fall before people realise enough is enough?

That is as a consequence of action taken by the Lebanese and nought to do with Brexit, nor indeed the EU.

Yes, I did think that this possibly should have gone in the Current Affairs thread, but as it is indicative of how our countrys standing in the world is being diminished by Brexit I decided here would do.

What's next? Our permanent seat on the Security Council?

Our standing in the World is unrelated.

For me it was a case of complacency on the part of the UK resident lawyer who simply underestimated the opposition so was out manoeuvred as a consequence.

ps ... the allocation of Forum was of no consequence to me but you did use it to bash Brexit

[Jack Staff]

Our standing in the World is unrelated.

For me it was a case of complacency on the part of the UK resident lawyer who simply underestimated the opposition so was out manoeuvred as a consequence.

ps ... the allocation of Forum was of no consequence to me but you did use it to bash Brexit

"Instead, rightly or wrongly, many countries see the UK turning in on itself to sort out the complexity of Brexit. They see it as a retreat from the international stage - whatever the Brexiteers argue to the contrary - and these countries are filling the vacuum accordingly. "
James Landale
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42063664

[towny44]

Our standing in the World is unrelated.

For me it was a case of complacency on the part of the UK resident lawyer who simply underestimated the opposition so was out manoeuvred as a consequence.

ps ... the allocation of Forum was of no consequence to me but you did use it to bash Brexit

"Instead, rightly or wrongly, many countries see the UK turning in on itself to sort out the complexity of Brexit. They see it as a retreat from the international stage - whatever the Brexiteers argue to the contrary - and these countries are filling the vacuum accordingly. "
James Landale
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42063664

Great let them take over the mantle and the cost of being one of the major policeman on the world stage, India, with its new UN judge, is now wealthy enough perhaps she can start footing the bill in future.

[Ray Scully]

Ye of little faith, never fear, we are off to the promised land. Mr Johnson Mr Gove Mr Davies, and NOT forgetting Ian Duncan Smith and Dr Fox told us so. We should have faith in such preeminent leaders.

[barney]

Our standing in the World is unrelated.

For me it was a case of complacency on the part of the UK resident lawyer who simply underestimated the opposition so was out manoeuvred as a consequence.

ps ... the allocation of Forum was of no consequence to me but you did use it to bash Brexit

"Instead, rightly or wrongly, many countries see the UK turning in on itself to sort out the complexity of Brexit. They see it as a retreat from the international stage - whatever the Brexiteers argue to the contrary - and these countries are filling the vacuum accordingly. "
James Landale
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42063664

I'll be delighted if any other countries are will to fill the vacuum. hopefully they will also pick up the tab.

For far too long, our country has been obsessed with 'status' in the world, usually very much to the detriment of our own services.

As for Brexit, please, please, please just GET ON WITH IT.

Deal or no deal, I couldn't give a toss anymore, but if I have to listen to one more whiny, whingy, shallow, cowardy, snowflake Remoaner on TV, bleating about how bad things are/going to be, I'm sure I'll throw something through it.

When will they get it into their thick little skulls that the majority voted for CHANGE.
Jesus H Christ, they keep going on about Leavers being uneducated! Have they listened to themselves?
They are so intelligent that they couldn't manage to put up any convincing argument to remain in the EU at the time of the referendum, and to be honest, still can't.

[Ray Scully]

Like you Barney, whatever happens with Bexit will have little effect Maureen and myself. Living through a golden age as we have we will live comfortably and will hopefully pass on a reasonable inheritance. I just wished I could share your confidence/ optimism that all will be as little impacted.

[Stephen]

Our standing in the World is unrelated.

For me it was a case of complacency on the part of the UK resident lawyer who simply underestimated the opposition so was out manoeuvred as a consequence.

ps ... the allocation of Forum was of no consequence to me but you did use it to bash Brexit

"Instead, rightly or wrongly, many countries see the UK turning in on itself to sort out the complexity of Brexit. They see it as a retreat from the international stage - whatever the Brexiteers argue to the contrary - and these countries are filling the vacuum accordingly. "
James Landale
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42063664

I'll be delighted if any other countries are will to fill the vacuum. hopefully they will also pick up the tab.

For far too long, our country has been obsessed with 'status' in the world, usually very much to the detriment of our own services.

As for Brexit, please, please, please just GET ON WITH IT.

Deal or no deal, I couldn't give a toss anymore, but if I have to listen to one more whiny, whingy, shallow, cowardy, snowflake Remoaner on TV, bleating about how bad things are/going to be, I'm sure I'll throw something through it.

When will they get it into their thick little skulls that the majority voted for CHANGE.
Jesus H Christ, they keep going on about Leavers being uneducated! Have they listened to themselves?
They are so intelligent that they couldn't manage to put up any convincing argument to remain in the EU at the time of the referendum, and to be honest, still can't.

[Jack Staff]

I'll be delighted if any other countries are will to fill the vacuum. hopefully they will also pick up the tab.

For far too long, our country has been obsessed with 'status' in the world, usually very much to the detriment of our own services.

As for Brexit, please, please, please just GET ON WITH IT.

Deal or no deal, I couldn't give a toss anymore, but if I have to listen to one more whiny, whingy, shallow, cowardy, snowflake Remoaner on TV, bleating about how bad things are/going to be, I'm sure I'll throw something through it.

When will they get it into their thick little skulls that the majority voted for CHANGE.
Jesus H Christ, they keep going on about Leavers being uneducated! Have they listened to themselves?
They are so intelligent that they couldn't manage to put up any convincing argument to remain in the EU at the time of the referendum, and to be honest, still can't.

I'm guessing from your impassioned rhetoric that all is not well in the Brexit wonderland you Beleavers promised us.

[towny44]

I'll be delighted if any other countries are will to fill the vacuum. hopefully they will also pick up the tab.

For far too long, our country has been obsessed with 'status' in the world, usually very much to the detriment of our own services.

As for Brexit, please, please, please just GET ON WITH IT.

Deal or no deal, I couldn't give a toss anymore, but if I have to listen to one more whiny, whingy, shallow, cowardy, snowflake Remoaner on TV, bleating about how bad things are/going to be, I'm sure I'll throw something through it.

When will they get it into their thick little skulls that the majority voted for CHANGE.
Jesus H Christ, they keep going on about Leavers being uneducated! Have they listened to themselves?
They are so intelligent that they couldn't manage to put up any convincing argument to remain in the EU at the time of the referendum, and to be honest, still can't.

I'm guessing from your impassioned rhetoric that all is not well in the Brexit wonderland you Beleavers promised us.

No Jack it's OK here but not in the EU. Merkel struggling in Germany and the tramp of the far right throughout Eastern Europe, no wonder Barnier is making such a pigs breakfast of the negotiations.

[Jack Staff]

I'm guessing from your impassioned rhetoric that all is not well in the Brexit wonderland you Beleavers promised us.

No Jack it's OK here but not in the EU.

Not watching the news tonight then?

Merkel struggling in Germany

Because she will need the support of other parties to remain strong and stable?

and the tramp of the far right throughout Eastern Europe,

Happening here too.

no wonder Barnier is making such a pigs breakfast of the negotiations.

Yeah, he has caved in to all our demands.

[Ray Scully]

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I'm guessing from your impassioned rhetoric that all is not well in the Brexit wonderland you Beleavers promised us.

Whatever made you think that

[Jack Staff]

The UK government said previously that the title was "part of our plan for a dynamic, outward-looking and global Britain" post-Brexit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t ... l-42095477

[screwy]

Good, maybe we wont be allowed to be in 'Eurovision ' either..
What next...Not allowed to play in European Football.?

[Stephen]

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[Jack Staff]

Good, maybe we wont be allowed to be in 'Eurovision ' either..
What next...Not allowed to play in European Football.?

But we were told the point of Brexit was to protect and enhance British culture. Obviously yet another untruth.

As to football ... https://www.politico.eu/article/british ... er-league/

[oldbluefox]

But we were told the point of Brexit was to protect and enhance British culture. Obviously yet another untruth.

What?!!!! Are you making this up as you go along? Mind you, some of the rubbish I hear from the media, Soubry & co, Remoaners and doom mongers nothing surprises me from them any more. Some just pick out any bad news they can find and tag Brexit onto it.
As far as I'm concerned the sooner we cut ties with the EU, deal or no deal, the better instead of pandering to all and sundry.