Current Affairs

[david63]

saying they would have gone to waste if they hadn’t used them

That I can understand as the Pfizer vaccine has, I believe, only a six hour life once it has thawed out.

I would have thought they could have found more vulnerable recipients in a Hospital

Possibly - but as you say not knowing the circumstances it is difficult to know.

[Stephen]

Better used by whoever than chucked.

[Onelife]

I think we should cut all this tier system cr* p and go straight into a National lockdown for 6 weeks…close schools for all but children of essential workers.

The amount of money that this Government has blown with all these stops start measures has/will do more harm to the economy than would have a couple of National lockdowns.

Test, track and trace doesn’t work because the numbers are far too large. In three weeks time we we'll be looking at a thousand deaths a day… time for Boris to get a grip or get someone in who can.

[Onelife]

Better used by whoever than chucked.

Like elderly patients???

[towny44]

Better used by whoever than chucked.

Like elderly patients???

You are assuming that busy NHS staff have as much spare time to sort things out as you Keefie?

[david63]

I think we should cut all this tier system cr* p and go straight into a National lockdown for 6 weeks

Good idea - let's put another 20,000 or 30,000 or 40,000 people out of work.

The tier system does work - it is the idiot brain dead within the tiers that doesn't work. I have said for many months that one of the major problems is that the rules have not been enforced and as we saw at the weekend the numbers from the south all rushing off home for Christmas hours before they were not allowed - as if the virus would hold back for a day!

The amount of money that this Government has blown with all these stops start measures has/will do more harm to the economy than would have a couple of National lockdowns.

What facts do you have to substantiate that statement?

Test, track and trace doesn’t work because the numbers are far too large.

To some extent that may be true but one of the major problems is that the public are ignoring it when contacted.

In three weeks time we we'll be looking at a thousand deaths a day

Speculation

Better used by whoever than chucked.

Like elderly patients???

Logistically may not have been possible - and arguably NHS staff are in the first/second group anyway.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Test, track and trace doesn’t work because the numbers are far too large.

To some extent that may be true but one of the major problems is that the public are ignoring it when contacted.

I recently read a very interesting article about that very thing. Some of the things a contact tracer experienced were astonishing.

People who had tested positive who weren't at home when called about contact details because they had gone to work or out shopping.

People who had tested positive point blank refusing to give details of those they'd been in contact with.

People called 20 or more times not answering the phone when they were supposed to be home self isolating.

People claiming it was all a scam and putting the phone down.

One who demanded compensation for disturbance when called on a Sunday morning.



With that sort of selfishness and stupidity what chance does any system stand?

[david63]

I recently read a very interesting article about that very thing. Some of the things a contact tracer experienced were astonishing.

I read the same article. The best one was when the tracer called someone who had tested positive and replied "Can you call me later as I am in Starbucks with friends"

[Stephen]

With that sort of selfishness and stupidity what chance does any system stand?


None.

Those people should be traced, and unless they can come up with a good excuse that can be verified then slap a hefty fine on them. Let's see how they feel when that drops on their door mat. And if they don't pay, next up a court summons.

It's time a more heavy hand was dealt because government TV pleese just aren't working.

[oldbluefox]

I noticed at Boris's press conference last night that selfishness was prevalent in the southern half of the country with questions like "Now the new virus is in other parts of the country should they not be moved into tier four?" - it was not a problem when other parts of the country were in a higher tier than London even though London had a higher infection rate.

And "Now there is a higher infection rate in the south should the vaccination policy be changed to target the south?" - no those who are the most vulnerable live in all parts of the country not just the south.

Exactly what I thought when I heard it. So we in the south east will continue to mix and mingle, have our trips into the capital for dinners, partying, mixing with our friends and shopping and when we have all infected each other we'll panic like mad, catch the first trains out of town or retreat to our second homes in the country and spread it to the rest. Meanwhile those in more northern regions, who have worked hard to suppress the virus will see all their hard work and sacrifice undone and we can all be put into a total lockdown. My SIL went into Carlisle last week and she said it was deserted. Locally our rate was down to 46 per 100k. It has now shot up to 99. Am I annoyed? Too true when I see how people in and around the capital have behaved (but not all) and now they have created this situation they want us all to pay for it.

As for targeting the south for vaccination it just goes to typify the arrogance of the media to think that because of the reckless behaviour down there they should be given priority. Give the vaccine to those who are most vulnerable and the rest can take their turn like everybody else irrespective of where they live.

[oldbluefox]

With that sort of selfishness and stupidity what chance does any system stand?


None.

Those people should be traced, and unless they can come up with a good excuse that can be verified then slap a hefty fine on them. Let's see how they feel when that drops on their door mat. And if they don't pay, next up a court summons.

It's time a more heavy hand was dealt because government TV pleese just aren't working.

If they are supposed to be isolating and they are not it should be a hefty fine - no questions asked and we don't care what your excuses. Only then will the system start to work.

[Stephen]

Agree.

All the people that have abused the system should be at the back of the queue for the vaccine. S*d'm

[Mervyn and Trish]

Funny that France is holding us to ransom over our Covid cases.

In cases per million we are 44th in the world. Below France, which is 25th.

On total tests we are 5th in the world. With 60% more than the next nearest European country, Germany. And France.

We are way ahead of all major European countries on tests per million.

And still people portray us as the failure.

[oldbluefox]

That's how the media portray us and some people fall for it. No we are not perfect, mistakes have been made but to portray us as some have done is ridiculous.

[Onelife]

I think we should cut all this tier system cr* p and go straight into a National lockdown for 6 weeks

Good idea - let's put another 20,000 or 30,000 or 40,000 people out of work.

The tier system does work - it is the idiot brain dead within the tiers that doesn't work. I have said for many months that one of the major problems is that the rules have not been enforced and as we saw at the weekend the numbers from the south all rushing off home for Christmas hours before they were not allowed - as if the virus would hold back for a day!

The amount of money that this Government has blown with all these stops start measures has/will do more harm to the economy than would have a couple of National lockdowns.

What facts do you have to substantiate that statement?

Test, track and trace doesn’t work because the numbers are far too large.

To some extent that may be true but one of the major problems is that the public are ignoring it when contacted.

In three weeks time we we'll be looking at a thousand deaths a day

Speculation

Better used by whoever than chucked.

Like elderly patients???

Logistically may not have been possible - and arguably NHS staff are in the first/second group anyway.

Clearly your definition of the tier systems working are miles apart from mine.
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As I said the tier systems don’t work for the very reason you have stated.
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It is an opinion based on the fact that many businesses are saying it’s costing them more to keep starting up then closing down than it would be if they could stay open for longer stretches of time…the only way this is going to happen is if we bring the numbers down, and as yet, the only way we have found to do this 'consistently' is with a National lockdown. To my mind if you want to stop ploughing billions more into a deep hole you’ve got to plug the holes with something a little more substantial than…” let’s hope this works”
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Prediction based on previous figures
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Let’s wait and see what comes to light

[towny44]

One solitary driver in his cab, having carefully avoided close contact while his vehicle was unloaded possibility of having the virus almost nil. 1500 lorry drivers milling around for 2 days mixing with lots of others, and also mixing with UK nationals, chance of having virus now quite high.
Just how stupid can Macron and his govt really be?

[Stephen]

The poor bu99ers. I would like to think some sort of food parcel/hygiene pack was being distributed to those stranded truckers by the authorities. It must be their worst nightmare.

[screwy]

Truckers tend to carry a decent amount of food,drink etc in their trucks,especially the European drivers, they will top this up along the way, so I would like to think that most, not all, would be ok for a couple days. The problem will be with hygiene facilities.
I’m not saying it’s not going to be hard for them but long haul truckers are a hardy bunch..Been there and done it. I used to be away for 10 days at a time, covering,Holland,Belgium and Germany.

[Ray B]

One solitary driver in his cab, having carefully avoided close contact while his vehicle was unloaded possibility of having the virus almost nil. 1500 lorry drivers milling around for 2 days mixing with lots of others, and also mixing with UK nationals, chance of having virus now quite high.
Just how stupid can Macron and his govt really be?

Trying to be the tough man of Europe maybe?

[Stephen]

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[Mervyn and Trish]

One solitary driver in his cab, having carefully avoided close contact while his vehicle was unloaded possibility of having the virus almost nil. 1500 lorry drivers milling around for 2 days mixing with lots of others, and also mixing with UK nationals, chance of having virus now quite high.
Just how stupid can Macron and his govt really be?

Trying to be the tough man of Europe maybe?

It seems to be traditional for the French to try to stuff the UK at every opportunity. Whatever issue their workers have with their government it's always the channel ports they blockade, even when it's nothing to do with us. And now we're taking our EU donation to their inefficient farmers away they're even grumpier. They forget we and the yanks saved their a**es in 1945!

[screwy]

Came across a job lot of French WW2 rifles at auction. Described as ‘ Never fired , dropped once.’.

[Stephen]

Came across a job lot of French WW2 rifles at auction. Described as ‘ Never fired , dropped once.’.

[Gill W]

The recent replies on here don’t reflect that the virus has mutated and the mutated strain is more infectious.

London and the south east had been flat for infections through the summer, but boomed as the new variant tightened its grip.

Perhaps the issue is that people’s behaviour has stayed the same, but the virus has changed.

You really don’t want the variant to get a hold in other areas as infections have literally gone through the roof in the south east, where it is most prevalent.

If anybody’s main concern is public health in your local area - you should be crying out for the lockdown as a pre-emptive action.

[towny44]

The recent replies on here don’t reflect that the virus has mutated and the mutated strain is more infectious.

London and the south east had been flat for infections through the summer, but boomed as the new variant tightened its grip.

Perhaps the issue is that people’s behaviour has stayed the same, but the virus has changed.

You really don’t want the variant to get a hold in other areas as infections have literally gone through the roof in the south east, where it is most prevalent.

If anybody’s main concern is public health in your local area - you should be crying out for the lockdown as a pre-emptive action.

The BBC news tonight reported that the variant has been identified in a number of European countries including Nerherlands Italy and probably Germany, if so then it will be interesting to see how they prevent it getting out of hand.