Life After Brexit

[Kendhni]

If you say so Ken. Don't worry about it.

I wasn't
Another poster continually proves he has no ability to read and even less ability to comprehend, but I expected a lot more from you.

Can we get back to your assertion that people did not know what they were voting for in 1975?
I have proven to you that the MPs of the time had not only debated it, but it was reported in the media and an explanatory leaflet was sent to every household. So why do you think they did not know what they were voting for?

Secondly if you are willing to assert that in 1975 people did not know what they were voting for then why do people start throwing toys around when someone asserts the same in relation to 2016? History proves that the electorate was provided with the necessary information for voting in 1975, whether or not they took advantage of that is a different question, however in 2016 there was no tangible information provided in relation to a post brexit UK (there still isn't despite the abundance of misinformation).

[screwy]

Definitely not, just my undying admiration if you get it right and a nude picture of the mods if you get it wrong

Whatever is the answer you will say it's wrong anyway so if this floats your boat here it is...............

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Don’t recall giving you permission to display my photo..

[oldbluefox]

I thought I had made it abundantly clear we did not have the means of communication which exist at present nor access to the information you are quoting. No TV, no phone, no daily paper, just the radio. In 1975 I would be in the Fatherland helping to keep the Russians back but in 1973 and 1975 I voted to join the Common Market (as in free trade which we are seeking nowadays). I would not have the literature or information you seem to think I would have but I was not unique. This would apply to most of the population. However what I did not vote for were the succession of different treaties which took us down the road towards a federal Europe and whilst the population were promised referenda there was always an excuse why we never had one.
I concede that along with 17.5 million others we were ignorant, did not know what we were voting for, are responsible for the mayhem which will ensue and the predicted collapse of UK plc.
I have no wish to fall out with you but see no reason why I should have to continually justify my vote and the reasons for it. The argument is pointless so it ends here as far as I am concerned but this ignoramus will be celebrating on Jan 1st 2021.

[oldbluefox]

Don’t recall giving you permission to display my photo..

If you see the front view it is clearly not you

[oldbluefox]

Another poster continually proves he has no ability to read and even less ability to comprehend, but I expected a lot more from you.

"Expectation is the root of all heartache"
William Shakespeare

[screwy]

Don’t recall giving you permission to display my photo..

If you see the front view it is clearly not you

Indeed because like mine ,they do come in adult size..

[screwy]

I thought I had made it abundantly clear we did not have the means of communication which exist at present nor access to the information you are quoting. No TV, no phone, no daily paper, just the radio. In 1975 I would be in the Fatherland helping to keep the Russians back but in 1973 and 1975 I voted to join the Common Market (as in free trade which we are seeking nowadays). I would not have the literature or information you seem to think I would have but I was not unique. This would apply to most of the population. However what I did not vote for were the succession of different treaties which took us down the road towards a federal Europe and whilst the population were promised referenda there was always an excuse why we never had one.
I concede that along with 17.5 million others we were ignorant, did not know what we were voting for, are responsible for the mayhem which will ensue and the predicted collapse of UK plc.
I have no wish to fall out with you but see no reason why I should have to continually justify my vote and the reasons for it. The argument is pointless so it ends here as far as I am concerned but this ignoramus will be celebrating on Jan 1st 2021.

Please tell me you were in a proper Corps and not a footslogger.?

[Kendhni]

I thought I had made it abundantly clear we did not have the means of communication which exist at present nor access to the information you are quoting. No TV, no phone, no daily paper, just the radio. In 1975 I would be in the Fatherland helping to keep the Russians back but in 1973 and 1975 I voted to join the Common Market (as in free trade which we are seeking nowadays). I would not have the literature or information you seem to think I would have but I was not unique. This would apply to most of the population. However what I did not vote for were the succession of different treaties which took us down the road towards a federal Europe and whilst the population were promised referenda there was always an excuse why we never had one.
I concede that along with 17.5 million others we were ignorant, did not know what we were voting for, are responsible for the mayhem which will ensue and the predicted collapse of UK plc.
I have no wish to fall out with you but see no reason why I should have to continually justify my vote and the reasons for it. The argument is pointless so it ends here as far as I am concerned but this ignoramus will be celebrating on Jan 1st 2021.

Don't get frustrated because the evidence and facts are not what you want to hear. It is meant to be a debate or discussion - but you seem to be taking it somewhat personally. As part of this latest exchange I have not called anyone ignorant so why are you? Nor have I ever asked you to justify your vote ... what I am asking you to do is convince me you are correct and I am wrong - but you need to support your position with fact and logic and not the usual quasi religious prevarication that I have been getting.

BTW in 1975 we had radio, daily papers and a TV (in fact we even had colour TV by then) ... and it was common for the working man to arrive home and watch the BBC news ... that was the norm. Maybe my bit of the country isn't as backward as I always thought. The bottom line is that if you voted to join/remain then, irrespective of what you thought you were voting for, you did vote for political expansion, shared sovereignty and all the other elements that you were informed of. That is exactly the same situation as we are in today - except today have been proffered even less information than in 1975.

Given that the UK is basically a "federation" (in all but name - despite recent limited devolution) what is it that is the problem?

I also note that not one poster has even attempted to address even one of the questions or concerns in my response to John. Why? Are you all that scared that you cannot provide an adult response that passes even the most basic of scrutiny?

[Gill W]

No, we are going back to their times as PM when they told us one thing and did another, as in the signing of different treaties. Blair promised a referendum on the EU in 2004 and 2005 but wormed his way out of it once elected. My disdain for this pair is unparalleled.

Interesting article by Mark Francois in his maiden speech as long ago as 2001 where he says:
“The British people were essentially told that they were assenting to a free trade area – a common market – and that is what they endorsed in 1975. The further we move from that position, the greater the risk that we shall exhaust their patience with all things European. We are an historically tolerant people, and we are willing to negotiate and co-operate, but we will not be subsumed by a foreign superstate that ignores our traditions and undermines our laws.”(Hansard, 4 July 2001, col 308).

The full article makes for interesting reason even for those struggling to understand why the referendum went as it did.

https://brexitcentral.com/mark-francois ... ds-brexit/

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

[oldbluefox]

Ken which part of "The argument is pointless so it ends here as far as I am concerned " do you not understand?

[barney]

No, we are going back to their times as PM when they told us one thing and did another, as in the signing of different treaties. Blair promised a referendum on the EU in 2004 and 2005 but wormed his way out of it once elected. My disdain for this pair is unparalleled.

Interesting article by Mark Francois in his maiden speech as long ago as 2001 where he says:
“The British people were essentially told that they were assenting to a free trade area – a common market – and that is what they endorsed in 1975. The further we move from that position, the greater the risk that we shall exhaust their patience with all things European. We are an historically tolerant people, and we are willing to negotiate and co-operate, but we will not be subsumed by a foreign superstate that ignores our traditions and undermines our laws.”(Hansard, 4 July 2001, col 308).

The full article makes for interesting reason even for those struggling to understand why the referendum went as it did.

https://brexitcentral.com/mark-francois ... ds-brexit/

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

University Graduate after going to a secondary mod.
Army officer.
MP for 20 years.
But, if he’s a Brexit supporter, he cannot be trusted?
Really ?

[towny44]

No, we are going back to their times as PM when they told us one thing and did another, as in the signing of different treaties. Blair promised a referendum on the EU in 2004 and 2005 but wormed his way out of it once elected. My disdain for this pair is unparalleled.

Interesting article by Mark Francois in his maiden speech as long ago as 2001 where he says:
“The British people were essentially told that they were assenting to a free trade area – a common market – and that is what they endorsed in 1975. The further we move from that position, the greater the risk that we shall exhaust their patience with all things European. We are an historically tolerant people, and we are willing to negotiate and co-operate, but we will not be subsumed by a foreign superstate that ignores our traditions and undermines our laws.”(Hansard, 4 July 2001, col 308).

The full article makes for interesting reason even for those struggling to understand why the referendum went as it did.

https://brexitcentral.com/mark-francois ... ds-brexit/

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

University Graduate after going to a secondary mod.
Army officer.
MP for 20 years.
But, if he’s a Brexit supporter, he cannot be trusted?
Really ?

I have to agree Barney if Gill and Ken can find anything in that article that is incorrect or controversial, then the problem lies in their understanding of the British electorate. It all seemed fairly accurate and in no way controversial.

[oldbluefox]

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

University Graduate after going to a secondary mod.
Army officer.
MP for 20 years.
But, if he’s a Brexit supporter, he cannot be trusted?
Really ?

I have to agree Barney if Gill and Ken can find anything in that article that is incorrect or controversial, then the problem lies in their understanding of the British electorate. It all seemed fairly accurate and in no way controversial.

It would help if they read it

[Gill W]

No, we are going back to their times as PM when they told us one thing and did another, as in the signing of different treaties. Blair promised a referendum on the EU in 2004 and 2005 but wormed his way out of it once elected. My disdain for this pair is unparalleled.

Interesting article by Mark Francois in his maiden speech as long ago as 2001 where he says:
“The British people were essentially told that they were assenting to a free trade area – a common market – and that is what they endorsed in 1975. The further we move from that position, the greater the risk that we shall exhaust their patience with all things European. We are an historically tolerant people, and we are willing to negotiate and co-operate, but we will not be subsumed by a foreign superstate that ignores our traditions and undermines our laws.”(Hansard, 4 July 2001, col 308).

The full article makes for interesting reason even for those struggling to understand why the referendum went as it did.

https://brexitcentral.com/mark-francois ... ds-brexit/

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

University Graduate after going to a secondary mod.
Army officer.
MP for 20 years.
But, if he’s a Brexit supporter, he cannot be trusted?
Really ?

Nothing to do with his career or his Brexit views.

Bearing in mind that he has never been backward in coming forward in the media, it’s very curious that he’s been missing in action for months.... just at the time certain allegations were made against a male Tory MP in his 50s.

I know you’ll just shrug your shoulders, but until this is resolved, he’s not somebody I’d use as a justification for my views.

[towny44]

Eek, you don’t want to be quoting Mark Francois

University Graduate after going to a secondary mod.
Army officer.
MP for 20 years.
But, if he’s a Brexit supporter, he cannot be trusted?
Really ?

Nothing to do with his career or his Brexit views.

Bearing in mind that he has never been backward in coming forward in the media, it’s very curious that he’s been missing in action for months.... just at the time certain allegations were made against a male Tory MP in his 50s.

I know you’ll just shrug your shoulders, but until this is resolved, he’s not somebody I’d use as a justification for my views.

So in your view someone who "might" be guilty of some sort of sexual transgression, cannot ever be trusted to have held any sensible views on anything else.
Sorry, but if that was the case then many senior politicians, of both sexes would have to be written out of political history.

[barney]

Didn’t serious Eu lover Major be found out to be knocking off one of his ministers ?
Female.
Clearly more credible according to some?

[Manoverboard]

Ken which part of "The argument is pointless so it ends here as far as I am concerned " do you not understand?

What took you so long ?

Debate is fine but constantly being dictated to is not

[Onelife]

Would you mind telling my wife that ...Squeak! Squeak!

[towny44]

Would you mind telling my wife that ...Squeak! Squeak!

If you want to keep chickens then you must expect to be henpecked.

[Onelife]

Would you mind telling my wife that ...Squeak! Squeak!

If you want to keep chickens then you must expect to be henpecked.

You smashed that one

[oldbluefox]

What took you so long ?

Debate is fine but constantly being dictated to is not

What took you so long ? I tried to have a reasoned circumspect debate, impossible when one side thinks they are the only ones who are right.

I see no reason why I, or any other member of the forum should be quizzed on the motives, or lack of, for something which happened 45 years ago especially from someone who does not know me.
Neither should I, nor any other member of the forum be pressed to answer some inane question which has probably been answered over and over again over the course of the past 4 years.
I don't respond to some of the neurotic ramblings such as we have seen lately.
As for "expected more from you" don't expect anything from anybody then you won't be disappointed.

[Manoverboard]

Would you mind telling my wife that ...Squeak! Squeak!

If you want to keep chickens then you must expect to be henpecked.

But by doing so he can still rule the ' roost '

[Gill W]

Didn’t serious Eu lover Major be found out to be knocking off one of his ministers ?
Female.
Clearly more credible according to some?

I believe it was consensual.

Somewhat different to the allegations levelled at the unnamed Tory mp in his 50s.

Tory MP accused of rape will not retur ... s-53805359

No doubt in a completely unrelated coincidence, Mark Francois hasn’t been seen since.

However, it seems a bit odd to me, which is why I personally would not be comfortable in using him as an example to back my argument at this time.

[Onelife]

Would you mind telling my wife that ...Squeak! Squeak!

If you want to keep chickens then you must expect to be henpecked.

But by doing so he can still rule the ' roost '

I can also take it out on the chickens if she upsets me

[Manoverboard]

Didn’t serious Eu lover Major be found out to be knocking off one of his ministers ?
Female.
Clearly more credible according to some?

Funny thing that ...

We were at a house warming party and this subject was hot off the press so loaded with vino and good food we all discussed it. I was the only person in the room to defend their position ... as it were. I reasoned that they were away from home, working in a very stressful situation and both were in loveless marriages. They felt the warmth of emotion and comfort in each others company. It was a beautiful moment. Nobody agreed except the hosts who were, by this time, laughing their socks off ... “ That is exactly how we met and how we felt in that moment and still do to this very day. “