Brexit

[oldbluefox]

The whole illegal/cheating argument is frankly pathetic just as much as your assertion that the people are not represented and your belief we will rejoin. So yes, all of it.
Of course the Remain campaign was squeaky clean wasn't it?

[Jack Staff]

The whole illegal/cheating argument is frankly pathetic

One leave campaign group has been fined the maximum allowed.
Another is still under investigation.
There is more to come.

You consider British law pathetic?

just as much as your assertion that the people are not represented

Leave got just 26.7% of the people to vote for them

and your belief we will rejoin. So yes, all of it.

We will. That is enevitable

Of course the Remain campaign was squeaky clean wasn't it?

I haven't heard otherwise, have you?

[Mervyn and Trish]

And even fewer voted to remain. Why do losers always assume those who didn't bother to vote are on their side?

For the record I was not influenced to vote leave by the vote leave campaign. Rather the nasty vote remain campaign failed to impress me. If you want to blame anyone Jack blame Project Fear for failing to motivate people to vote their way.

[oldbluefox]

Why does Jack continue to post only half the truth as in "Leave got just 26.7% of the people to vote for them". We have already dealt with this but Jack persists in going round and round in the same circle seemingly blind to the truth and unable to accept the Remain camp lost the vote, hence all the excuses and wild accusations we have seen over the past two years.
Rather than follow like sheep the leavers saw an opportunity to open up new opportunities and take back control of our destiny away from the EU. We will still trade with Europe and we will still travel to Europe just as we did before the EU despite what Project Fear tried to tell us. Had we believed them in the first instance our economy would already have collapsed. It hasn't. Fact.

Not to worry. Our future is safe in the hands of Mr Juncker.

[barney]

That's really funny, that link Foxy !

My only surprise was that when he went to kiss Merkel he didn't go for tongues.

I loved the way that the two guys were holding him up.

[Jack Staff]

Why does Jack continue to post only half the truth as in "Leave got just 26.7% of the people to vote for them". We have already dealt with this but Jack persists in going round and round in the same circle seemingly blind to the truth and unable to accept the Remain camp lost the vote, hence all the excuses and wild accusations we have seen over the past two years.

Easy one. Jack keeps posting 26.7% of the people in response to Brexiters claims of 'the will of the people'.

'The will of the people' is a propagandist claim that I am surprised educated people such as the members of this forum have followed like sheep.

Stop using that false truth and I will not need to correct it.

Rather than follow like sheep the leavers saw an opportunity to open up new opportunities and take back control of our destiny away from the EU. We will still trade with Europe and we will still travel to Europe just as we did before the EU despite what Project Fear tried to tell us. Had we believed them in the first instance our economy would already have collapsed. It hasn't. Fact.

False. In fact our economy has now been wrecked for many years to come, even if we still remain (frog in a saucepan).
We have ruined future trade with the EU, we have also now ruined trade with the US.
Not going well the Brexit malarkey is it?

Not to worry. Our future is safe in the hands of Mr Juncker.

The brave new world of Brexit, where it's good to make fun of the old and especially foreigners.

[barney]

Oh, be fair Jack!

Juncker is fair game.
Nothing to do with him being old or a foreigner.
When anyone puts themselves in the firing line, they must stand up to public scrutiny.
Being p*ssed at work is a dismissable offence in pretty much every job.

And …. all your wild accusations of the economy totally tanking are clearly untrue and you should stop typing such rubbish.
The FTSE is doing well
Unemployment is very low.
Employment is at a record high.
Inflation is low.
We are still seeing marginal growth, quarter on quarter.

According to FEAR, we should now be in the middle of the deepest recession this country has ever seen and millions and millions should be out of work.
Not to mention WW3
We would be £4,000 per household worse off according to Osborn.
They are now bandying around some mystical figure of £900 per household but cannot justify how they came to this.
Some weird extrapolation of the fall in the value of the pound against the dollar.
Again, a random figure.

Are you worse off jack?
Do you feel worse off.
Beside the obvious mental anguish, has the vote to leave had any impact or your daily life.
When I walk up and own the local High street, everything seems quite buzzing down here.
Except for a few diehards who like to have letters publish in the local paper, everyone is just doing what they do and getting on with life.

[Jack Staff]

Oh, be fair Jack!

Juncker is fair game.
Nothing to do with him being old or a foreigner.
When anyone puts themselves in the firing line, they must stand up to public scrutiny.
Being p*ssed at work is a dismissable offence in pretty much every job.

Yeah, ok, I will grudgingly agree. After all David Davis has spent the last two years 'tired and emotional'!

And …. all your wild accusations of the economy totally tanking are clearly untrue and you should stop typing such rubbish.
The FTSE is doing well
Unemployment is very low.
Employment is at a record high.
Inflation is low.
We are still seeing marginal growth, quarter on quarter.

Yes, marginal growth. While the rest of the EU is seeing much better results. We used to have the best numbers in the EU, now the worst.
Remember FTSE going up is inversely proportional to the value of the Pound.

According to FEAR, we should now be in the middle of the deepest recession this country has ever seen and millions and millions should be out of work.
Not to mention WW3
We would be £4,000 per household worse off according to Osborn.
They are now bandying around some mystical figure of £900 per household but cannot justify how they came to this.
Some weird extrapolation of the fall in the value of the pound against the dollar.
Again, a random figure.

We haven't left yet and it's still costing us. It will get much worse if we do leave.

Are you worse off jack?
Do you feel worse off.
Beside the obvious mental anguish, has the vote to leave had any impact or your daily life.
When I walk up and own the local High street, everything seems quite buzzing down here.
Except for a few diehards who like to have letters publish in the local paper, everyone is just doing what they do and getting on with life.

As I mentioned earlier, it's frog in a saucepan time.
If you don't want to notice, everything is fine.
I've begun to notice that the bumper family pack of toilet rolls is now 16, not 18.
You will remember that the Toblerone Alps now look more like the Somerset levels.
There are so many more examples.
So yes, we are worse off (especially if I upset my stomach by eating too much Toblerone)

[barney]

"It will get much worse if we do leave."
WHEN Jack, not IF.

[Jack Staff]

IF Barney, not WHEN.

[barney]

I'm going out.
Apparently there is an anti Trump rally in Barnstaple and they are expecting dozens to be there.

[anniec]

Why does Jack continue to post only half the truth as in "Leave got just 26.7% of the people to vote for them". We have already dealt with this but Jack persists in going round and round in the same circle seemingly blind to the truth and unable to accept the Remain camp lost the vote, hence all the excuses and wild accusations we have seen over the past two years.

Easy one. Jack keeps posting 26.7% of the people in response to Brexiters claims of 'the will of the people'.

'The will of the people' is a propagandist claim that I am surprised educated people such as the members of this forum have followed like sheep.

Stop using that false truth and I will not need to correct it.

Rather than follow like sheep the leavers saw an opportunity to open up new opportunities and take back control of our destiny away from the EU. We will still trade with Europe and we will still travel to Europe just as we did before the EU despite what Project Fear tried to tell us. Had we believed them in the first instance our economy would already have collapsed. It hasn't. Fact.

False. In fact our economy has now been wrecked for many years to come, even if we still remain (frog in a saucepan).
We have ruined future trade with the EU, we have also now ruined trade with the US.
Not going well the Brexit malarkey is it?

Not to worry. Our future is safe in the hands of Mr Juncker.

The brave new world of Brexit, where it's good to make fun of the old and especially foreigners.

Old? He's 63, for goodness sake!

[barney]

OMG Annie.

I honestly had no idea he was that age.

I just googled it. Incredible.

Wow, I feel really good about my self now

I suppose our friend Jack will argue that he has sacrificed his health, liver and looks for the good of the EU nations.

PS - he'd get his 40 quids worth on a P&O cruise

[Jack Staff]

Old? He's 63, for goodness sake!

WOW! He has not aged well.

[towny44]

Old? He's 63, for goodness sake!

WOW! He has not aged well.

But he has probably had a he'll of a time creating his geriatric appearance.

[oldbluefox]

Apparently it was a sciatica attack....................... or so he says.

[Happydays]

Apparently it was a sciatica attack....................... or so he says.

Via a bottle of alcohol, Ha ha ha!

[oldbluefox]

For medicinal reasons?

[Onelife]

I certainly wouldn't what that old geezer slobbering all over my face...kissy kissy or not...yuk!

[oldbluefox]

I certainly wouldn't what that old geezer slobbering all over my face...kissy kissy or not...yuk!

Steady on OL, he's younger than I am. Are you only saying that cos he's a foreigner?!!!! I know what all you Brexiters are like!!!!

[Mervyn and Trish]

To be fair, I don't want any old geezer slobbering over my face!

But seriously that is part of the issue of the EU for me. Not whether he was drunk or not. We have no direct power to elect Juncker, or Tusk, or to get rid on them.

Tusk was elected despite opposition in Poland, his native country. The people who know him best.

And as for Juncker. This is from the pro-EU Guardian:

"The former Luxembourg prime minister landed the job by an overwhelming majority because national leaders sleepwalked into a trap laid by federalist schemers in the European parliament and could not summon the will to do anything about it.

A catalogue of complacency, negligence, miscalculation and manoeuvring by national leaders over the past nine months conspired to deliver an outcome no one really wanted – Jean-Claude Juncker, Europe's accidental president.

Arguments about Juncker's suitability only took place after the horse had bolted, too late to reverse the momentum supplied by last month's European elections.

This sorry tale of mismanagement and ineptitude by Europe's national governments over the past year has saddled the EU with a powerful executive chief for the next five years whom many of them think is not fit for purpose."

And if that is what the EU's fans think!

So just one of the many reasons I want out.

Finally remember these two figures who are influencing our future are Presidents of the European Council and Commission. They're not even MEPs in whom to do have a say.

If we don't like Theresa May, in due course we have the power to sack her and her government. Juncker and Tunk are unaccountable to the electorate.

[Stephen]

I certainly wouldn't what that old geezer slobbering all over my face...kissy kissy or not...yuk!

Which old geezers do you prefer then

[Mervyn and Trish]

Oh and this was David Cameron in 2009

"I'm a bit worried that the European parliament seems to be getting all these new powers"

And then he campaigns to stay in the EU.

Short memory.

Maybe if the Lisbon Treaty had never been signed, by our Government, without checking with us first.

Or the Maastricht Treaty.

If we'd have referenda then, maybe we'd have rejected these and the question of leaving the EU because it was developing in a way we didn't like would never have arisen.

If Call Me Dave had remembered his concerns maybe he would have realised a lot of his fellow countrymen shared them, and maybe he wouldn't have offered a referendum to stave off UKIP and save his majority.

If he really believed the best option was to stay in the EU (as Jack says that was his government's advice), perhaps he should have had the balls to govern and say we are staying in unless the country choose to elect someone else at the next election, instead of calling a referendum then legging it when he didn't get the answer he wanted. Weak.

If one single person is to blame for where we are it is him, not Theresa May nor Jezzer.

[Onelife]

I certainly wouldn't what that old geezer slobbering all over my face...kissy kissy or not...yuk!

Which old geezers do you prefer then

Tell me how much money you have and you could be in the running

[Onelife]

I certainly wouldn't what that old geezer slobbering all over my face...kissy kissy or not...yuk!

Steady on OL, he's younger than I am. Are you only saying that cos he's a foreigner?!!!! I know what all you Brexiters are like!!!!

Naah! I'm only saying it because he gets paid £1k+ a day to get pissed at our expense