Self Mutilation

[gfwgfw]

I thoroughly dislike any form of body enhancements

Lubooo all

The "Cocky" Giant of Cerne Abbas

[Stephen]

I mean professional in their attitude and the way they operate. Or are we assuming that all those without adornment will be more efficient and professional in their job than anybody with?

I'm talking about appearance in a customer facing job. They can have an axe stitched into the top of their head and a hanging basket off the end of their nose for all I care when working out back or down pit. And yes, some are probably the nicest people going with an IQ of a million but for me it just doesn't look right at front of house.

[oldbluefox]

I'm not keen on some of the body adornments either but if I was in a life critical situation I would want a doctor or surgeon who knew what he was doing and was proficient at his job. In that situation I wouldn't be bothered whether he had anchors through his earlobes or bells on his toes. So why might it bother me in any other profession?

[Stephen]

I'm not keen on some of the body adornments either but if I was in a life critical situation I would want a doctor or surgeon who knew what he was doing and was proficient at his job. In that situation I wouldn't be bothered whether he had anchors through his earlobes or bells on his toes. So why might it bother me in any other profession?

I'd be worried something might drop off and get left behind after the op............At the airport scanner....beep beep........ten minutes later and standing in the buff......beep beep

[cornmillgirl]

Must admit, the thought did cross my mind.

Yes thats me who would go into a jewellers to buy some ear-rings and come out with a nose stud!

My nose piercing is very subtle with small diamante studs which are colour co-ordinated to what I am wearing.

At least I did not start on tattoos!!!

Cornmillgirl - I've always wondered if people with nose piercings get bits of tissue caught up on the stud when they blow their nose or do you just avoid tissues and stick with a handkerchief. Sorry, daft question I know but its always crossed my mind.

Maureen

Not a daft question at all, it has never been a problem either with a tissue or a handkerchief, I forget I am wearing a stud to be honest.

[cornmillgirl]

as tempting as this one is, to join...........better not

Probably wise, but are you sure you cant be tempted!

[Stephen]

Let's go the whole hog.

Now, about dress codes.....

Club dining on your cruise, your all togged up and then the waiter comes along wearing cut down jeans for shorts and a dirty vest. Doesn't make a difference or looks unprofessional for that role?

I rest my case M'lud


Happy Easter everyone.

[oldbluefox]

Different scenario altogether.

Take him down.

[Silver_Shiney]

I'm with Stephen on this one

[cornmillgirl]

I'm with OBF on this one. I know some people find piercings and tattoo's horrible or distasteful but if I went into a top hotel
and the receptionist was professional, appropriately dressed, trendy hair cut, a facial piercing whether the lip, chin or whatever,
or a tattoo I would think it an edgy look. I certainly would not think it would detract from the service or my impression of the hotel.

However everyone has their opinion and I accept that each is different. I have always wanted a tattoo but think I'm a bit past
it to start now!

[Quizzical Bob]

I always assumed that a ring through the nose was so that you could tie them up outside the supermarket.

[cornmillgirl]

I always assumed that a ring through the nose was so that you could tie them up outside the supermarket.

Thats funny QB

[Kendhni]

I work for a modern progressive firm that has 'got over' the old fashioned adage that you can judge someones work based on how they dress ... so basically anything goes ... we have several employees with piercings including ear ring hoops. Even our big boss is a self-confessed aged hippie (and there is a picture of him and the band he used to play in, in full hippie furs and regalia, on the wall in our office).

However, not everybody has yet arrived in the 21st century .. some companies still force their employees to kowtow to last century's dress codes including suits, ties etc. However, as with everything, we have to meet the expectations of others so it is still probably correct to expect those in customer facing roles to be conformists.

[Kendhni]

Last month I was in America and due to fly down to Mexico to meet Julie for a holiday that evening ... so, for a bit of fun (and due to a running joke), I went into work wearing a hawaiian shirt, shorts and flip-flops. It just so happened that day we had a teleconference with one of our clients that I had to partake in ... at the last minute the client decided they were going to come into the office rather than use teleconference. I offered to go back to the hotel and get changed but I was told not to worry about it.

So picture the scene ... the team from the client turned up in business suits, white shirts, ties, all neatly ironed ... my boss was in hoodie and jeans, I was in a hawaiian shirt and shorts and another colleague was in a grateful dead tee-shirt and three quarter length ripped jeans (with both arms fully tattoo'd from wrists to shoulder). It actually proved to be a great ice-breaker and the meeting went very well .... not sure that it would have gone down so well in the UK though.

[Silver_Shiney]

I work for a modern progressive firm that has 'got over' the old fashioned adage that you can judge someones work based on how they dress ... so basically anything goes ... we have several employees with piercings including ear ring hoops. Even our big boss is a self-confessed aged hippie (and there is a picture of him and the band he used to play in, in full hippie furs and regalia, on the wall in our office).

However, not everybody has yet arrived in the 21st century .. some companies still force their employees to kowtow to last century's dress codes including suits, ties etc. However, as with everything, we have to meet the expectations of others so it is still probably correct to expect those in customer facing roles to be conformists.

In other words, they have low standards. "Arriving" in the 21st Century does not mean we have to conform to low standards. You can be progressive and still have high standards. I, for one, refuse to conform to today's "standards".

[Kendhni]

In other words, they have low standards. "Arriving" in the 21st Century does not mean we have to conform to low standards. You can be progressive and still have high standards. I, for one, refuse to conform to today's "standards".

A very curious and selective interpretation there, SS ... I did not mention high or low standards.

Arguably your definition of high standards is based on irrelevant and out of date concepts. I judge people based on how they do their job ... not on how they dress, what tattoos they have or what ear-rings they have. Such things are just people expressing their individuality and personality. The company I work for is known to have such high standards from its employees that its recruitment process puts many people off applying ... but the meeting of those standards is not determined by irrelevant factors, it is determined by people proving they can do the job they apply for.

I did say that those in customer facing roles are expected to kowtow to others expectations and be conformists ... that is not expressing a level of standards, just a level of expectations that, in the most part, is fed by irrelevant criteria. I have not read the entire thread, but often someone brings up the question about how they prefer their waiter to be dressed ... a reasonable but mostly irrelevant point ... to me the more important point is the waiters personal hygiene, which can only be guessed at based on how they dress.

[Silver_Shiney]

With respect, Ken, it's only deemed to be irrelevant and out-dated by those who don't give two hoots about self-discipline, self-pride and respect for others. Sadly, they seem to be the only ones heard in today's "society".

I quite agree that someone covered in tattoos and multiple piercings may be very good at their job - but it's first impressions that count, and that means eyeballing someone.

Where I work, the dress code is very casual, although jeans and sloganed t-shirts are not allowed. Shirt and trousers are the norm, even when we are expecting visitors to the museum. However, when I went to collect a gift from the local college, I put a suit and a tie on - not to "conform" but to show respect to my hosts. Similarly, I heard of a mechanic who turned up at a workshop for a job interview in his best suit. The manager was aghast and said "you don't expect to come to work dressed like that, do you?" The reply was "No, I dressed like this out of respect for you and the meeting". He was hired on the spot.

It is now known that tattooing desensitises the skin. To subject yourself to such "art" shows a lack of respect for your own body and, if you don't respect yourself, it's quite probably that you won't respect others.

[Quizzical Bob]

In other words, they have low standards. "Arriving" in the 21st Century does not mean we have to conform to low standards. You can be progressive and still have high standards. I, for one, refuse to conform to today's "standards".

Nothing low about them, just different to yours. Horses for courses.

[Silver_Shiney]

I didn't think for one minute that anyone would agree with me!

[Stephen]

Different scenario altogether.

Take him down.

Yes, but same principle.

[Kendhni]

With respect, Ken, it's only deemed to be irrelevant and out-dated by those who don't give two hoots about self-discipline, self-pride and respect for others. Sadly, they seem to be the only ones heard in today's "society".

Some very broad sweeping statements there, SS ... I would suggest possibly born out of what you would like to think rather than reality. I never understood the relationship to 'respect', if someone thinks someone else is being disrespectful by not conforming to their preconceived ideas of how the other person should be dressed, then it is equally (possibly more) disrespectful of that person to be so judgemental ... respect is earned and should not be expected.

I agree with you about 'first impressions' ... but only on the grounds of peoples ingrained prejudice and desire/need for others to conform to their expectations ... sadly that is the way many still think.

It is now known that tattooing desensitises the skin. To subject yourself to such "art" shows a lack of respect for your own body and, if you don't respect yourself, it's quite probably that you won't respect others.

Arguably, you should respect yourself enough to allow your own personality and skills to shine through and speak for themselves ... respect earned based on a false or made up persona simply to show conformance to someone else's prejudice is worth nothing.


PS: I have the same opinion about sentences starting with 'With respect' as DK had

[Silver_Shiney]

Some very broad sweeping statements there, SS ... I would suggest possibly born out of what you would like to think rather than reality. I never understood the relationship to 'respect', if someone thinks someone else is being disrespectful by not conforming to their preconceived ideas of how the other person should be dressed, then it is equally (possibly more) disrespectful of that person to be so judgemental ... respect is earned and should not be expected.

Broad, sweeping statements? Not at all, sir. I'd call them "specific and pointed". I suspect you are judging reality by today's low moral standards where anything goes, and if it impacts on someone else, tough - at least, that's what I see around me on a daily basis.

I agree with you about 'first impressions' ... but only on the grounds of peoples ingrained prejudice and desire/need for others to conform to their expectations ... sadly that is the way many still think.

Ingrained prejudice or ingrained (but shrinking) sense of what is actually right and proper? Why is it sad that many still think that?

Arguably, you should respect yourself enough to allow your own personality and skills to shine through and speak for themselves ... respect earned based on a false or made up persona simply to show conformance to someone else's prejudice is worth nothing.

Agreed, but I don't understand how that covers mutilating yourself.

PS: I have the same opinion about sentences starting with 'With respect' as DK had

Okay, I'll put the offending phrase at the end of the sentence from now on


Incidentally, it's good to see you back on the forum. You have been missed,

[Dark Knight]

all this talk of how to dress and how to present oneself, makes me all the more convinced that formal attire on a ship is pandering to out dated expectations

Ken
the IT industry is well known for having no dress sense what so ever , geek chic I believe it is called your avatar being a perfect example

[Silver_Shiney]

all this talk of how to dress and how to present oneself, makes me all the more convinced that formal attire on a ship is pandering to out dated expectations

It's precisely because we're both in casual dress during our working day that we love the formal nights. Nothing whatever to do with "outdated expectations".

[Dark Knight]

SS
and my point is and has always been the polar opposite
I dress for work not for a holiday, even if some people think dressing for work is outmoded