UKIP

[davecttr]

Apparently he is the sort of man who you would see down the pub. Fine, just be careful what you say if you are in the same bar as him.

it is not the man himself that worries me it is the 'followers' that surround him.

When i cruised on Ventura last year they had 'debates' in the exchange on sea days. I happened to have an idle moment so wandered in. The question was asked of the audience was, should we leave the EU. Everyone but me raised their hands and when the question was 'should we stay in' I raised mine. You should have seen the reaction

Anyway the argument raged back and forth and at one point I thought i was in physical danger. However all ended well (I won ) and my chief protagonist even bought me a drink.

The problem with the 'anti' argument was it was based a lot on anger and not reason, plus confusing issues such as the europen court of human rights which is not a EU institution.

I think when it comes down to reality in a general election people will use their brains rather than their emotions. Plus stop believing everything they read in the Daily Wail

[Delboy]

Dellboy
Cameron called for immigration to be pegged at 10's of thousands, as did Farage...sounds the same to me
perhaps you view of a racist is coloured by your political views

You may say that, others may differ

[davecttr]

As i take the opposite view to UKIP on european issues i will not be voting for them. Plus I have an uneasy feeling that there is a wiff of a four armed symbol lurking in the background.

Small minded, no policies on the critical issues, and blind to the economic realities of a post industrial economy. I fear that they will set our country back years,

Prejudice against people because of the school they went to is almost as bad as prejudice against people because of colour, race, or religion. Not far from bringing in gulags.

Interesting views on the economic realities of life in the EU, but perhaps you ought to study the trade stats. The UK is the major import partner of quite a number of the EU countries, including Germany, and we have a massive imbalance in favour of the EU in our trade. Now I appreciate that non Brits are not very bright, but surely these countries will not want to jeopardise their economies if the UK decides to withdraw, ergo "call me Dave" has all the aces up his sleeve if and when he steps up to the negotiating table. Even he should be able to screw them till their pips squeak and get us a fantastic new deal. But if we do have to leave then joining the likes of Switzerland and Norway would not be a problem for me.

But it would be a problem for them. The 4 countries in EFTA's economies would be dwarfed by the UK and they might well argue that we can't join as it would just make EFTA a vehicle to promote the UK's interests. In trading with the EU they still have to comply with all the rules and regulations but have no voting rights in framing those regulations. I would rather we remain in the EU with our vote.

Surely any referendum is not a multi choice question. We vote to stay or we vote to leave. If we vote to leave the goverment have to do just that, arrange the divorce. Divorces can be acrimonious. If i was german or french looking at the UK destroying the EU dream I would say 'screw them'.

[Dark Knight]

Dellboy
you should work for the goverment....Excellent spin

[Romig1]

Given that he has openly stated that he has no affiliation or other association with Newark, I think he has done the honourable thing by refusing to stand. A local MP should be, IMHO, exactly that - local. Time and again I've seen the major parties parachute in their favoured candidate to a by-election.

True, some of his party have come up with very distasteful comments, but then so have politicians of the other parties yet I do not hear the same outcry against those party leaders that is being levelled at Farage.

I do not consider his, or his party's, views as racist and I will be voting for them in the European election. I'll probably vote for UKIP in the next General Election as I have no confidence in either of the other two parties.

I think that his decision not to stand is due to the huge Conservative majority, rather than any honourable reason. Had the seat been much more marginal, I suspect he'd have jumped at the chance. I don't blame him though - politics is all about spin and tactics, and the potential loss of momentum that UKIP is currently enjoying that would occur after a heavy by-election defeat would be damaging to the party.

[Onelife]

It is my belief and given the right sett of circumstances there is a "cultural" racist in all of us...apart from you of course?

As far as the European elections are concerned l will be voting UKIP but not because l think they have any workable policies but because they are the only party which is trying to retain something tnat was once "Great Briton"

Regards

OL

Cannot see anything in his part's policy's or what he personally spews out, that in anyway would help retain anything that was once "Great Britain"

Hi Delboy,

UKIP's...imigration policy sits well with me...as dose their Education policy but as we both know their party is one of a protest rather than a credeble candidate to form the next Goverment. That being said the 36, and counting policy U-turns this Goverment has made doesn't bode well for the future...dose it?

Im not sure how things will pan out with regard to getting out of the EU but thank gawd we have someone who is prepared to stick his neck out and do what is right for our own country instead of wagging our tails to the tune of the other EU countries. Better off having Nigel Farage fighting our corner rather than the present bunch of party line..." l'll kiss yours if you kiss mine" tail waggers.

Regards

Keith

[Quizzical Bob]

Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that leaving the EU would solve any problems or make us any richer.

[Delboy]

It is my belief and given the right sett of circumstances there is a "cultural" racist in all of us...apart from you of course?

As far as the European elections are concerned l will be voting UKIP but not because l think they have any workable policies but because they are the only party which is trying to retain something tnat was once "Great Briton"

Regards

OL

Cannot see anything in his part's policy's or what he personally spews out, that in anyway would help retain anything that was once "Great Britain"

Hi Delboy,

UKIP's...imigration policy sits well with me...as dose their Education policy but as we both know their party is one of a protest rather than a credeble candidate to form the next Goverment. That being said the 36, and counting policy U-turns this Goverment has made doesn't bode well for the future...dose it?

Im not sure how things will pan out with regard to getting out of the EU but thank gawd we have someone who is prepared to stick his neck out and do what is right for our own country instead of wagging our tails to the tune of the other EU countries. Better off having Nigel Farage fighting our corner rather than the present bunch of party line..." l'll kiss yours if you kiss mine" tail waggers.

Regards

Keith

Keith

You may wish to have Mr Farage fighting your corner, I certainly don't want him fighting mine, especially if his party's only credibility is one of protest.

[Dark Knight]

the £55 million pounds a day it costs us to be in the German club, would tell a different tale

[Quizzical Bob]

the £55 million pounds a day it costs us to be in the German club, would tell a different tale

You have forgotten the extra cost of being outside. I take it you don't do any international trade?

[barney]

It is my belief and given the right sett of circumstances there is a "cultural" racist in all of us...apart from you of course?

As far as the European elections are concerned l will be voting UKIP but not because l think they have any workable policies but because they are the only party which is trying to retain something tnat was once "Great Briton"

Regards

OL

Cannot see anything in his part's policy's or what he personally spews out, that in anyway would help retain anything that was once "Great Britain"

Hi Delboy,

UKIP's...imigration policy sits well with me...as dose their Education policy but as we both know their party is one of a protest rather than a credeble candidate to form the next Goverment. That being said the 36, and counting policy U-turns this Goverment has made doesn't bode well for the future...dose it?

Im not sure how things will pan out with regard to getting out of the EU but thank gawd we have someone who is prepared to stick his neck out and do what is right for our own country instead of wagging our tails to the tune of the other EU countries. Better off having Nigel Farage fighting our corner rather than the present bunch of party line..." l'll kiss yours if you kiss mine" tail waggers.

Regards

Keith

Keith

You may wish to have Mr Farage fighting your corner, I certainly don't want him fighting mine, especially if his party's only credibility is one of protest.

Once upon a time Delboy, all partys were partys of 'protest'

If you like it the way it is, that's fine, but many millions don't and that will be bourne out at the Euro elections.
That is why all the major players are sending time and effort trying to rubbish UKIP. They can see the writing on the wall.

[Quizzical Bob]

Form a couple of years ago:

http://www.jcm.org.uk/blog/2009/05/ukip ... embership/

[Dark Knight]

QBob
before starting this, I suggest you look at the import export figures, which will show the holes in your argument before you even start
it will save me having to tell you later on

[Quizzical Bob]

That is why all the major players are sending time and effort trying to rubbish UKIP. They can see the writing on the wall.

Er... no, it's because their policies are rubbish.

[Quizzical Bob]

QBob
before starting this, I suggest you look at the import export figures, which will show the holes in your argument before you even start
it will save me having to tell you later on

I know all about this. I have been manufacturing and exporting for over 30 years and I know the relative cost involved in dealing within and without the EU.

[Dark Knight]

then you should know we import far more from the EU than we export
Far more

[Quizzical Bob]

then you should know we import far more from the EU than we export
Far more

You might do, I don't

[Dark Knight]

Well if you are going to debate, you need facts
dont assume people know nothing and you know more, as it is not the case, just because your 1 company does some export don't believe you speak for everyone else
your assumptions are very wrong and this type of lazy debating, is why people dont understand what they are voting far
it is dangerous to assume you know, when you don't

[Quizzical Bob]

Well if you are going to debate, you need facts
dont assume people know nothing and you know more, as it is not the case, just because your 1 company does some export don't believe you speak for everyone else
your assumptions are very wrong and this type of lazy debating, is why people dont understand what they are voting far
it is dangerous to assume you know, when you don't

Funny, I was going to say the same about you...

[Quizzical Bob]

then you should know we import far more from the EU than we export
Far more

For instance, what exactly is your relevance for this?

[barney]

Folk only ever look at any given situation from their own personal standpoint.

So at that basis, there are many who think the EU is wonderful, but there are many who don't.

My Polish neighbours want to see a freeze on immigration because they are worried about the impact on jobs for their children, so they will be voting UKIP

Funny old world isn't it?

As for trade figures, the truth is out there (somewhere)

If the so called serious parties actually told the truth about these figures instead of scaremongering with outrageous claims, they may retain a bit of credibility.
The ball is in their court.

[Dark Knight]

QBob
We import over £50 Billion a year more from France and Germany, alone than they do from us, so the relevance is that they are not going to cut us off , if we leave the EU,despite your protestation to the contrary

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[Quizzical Bob]

QBob
We import over £50 Billion a year more from France and Germany, alone than they do from us, so the relevance is that they are not going to cut us off , if we leave the EU,despite your protestation to the contrary Content Edited ...

So to talk of UK independence is a nonsense, isn't it? They could put up all our prices for a start. Where does the UK figure in their list of customers? In order to pay for these imports we have to generate the foreign currency which is for a large part done by the City of London. What a lot of people forget is that we live on an island and everything we buy and sell has an extra charge because of the costs of freighting it overseas. Germany, for example, can just put in on a lorry and have it with their customer a few hours later.

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[lioness]

We are both voting UKIP this time. I believe there should be a stop on all immigration from anywhere for, say, two years. Let things settle and see where we are then. Of course it won't happen, but it's an idea!

We are such a small country and I do believe some towns and cities are being swamped, both in schooling, NHS etc.

[towny44]

the £55 million pounds a day it costs us to be in the German club, would tell a different tale

You have forgotten the extra cost of being outside. I take it you don't do any international trade?

Cubie, I am still waiting for any pro european to put forward a convincing argument that there would be extra cost in being outside the EU. The UK trade is far too important to the EU for them not to allow us to maintain the duty free rates for both imports and exports, which would essentially mean there would no extra trading costs. Any concessatioal charges they would apply to our trade for us to be treated like any other ex EFTA country would, IMHO, be worth every penny if we were not subject to rule from Brussels.