UKIP

[Quizzical Bob]

Why do you think we are ruled from Brussels? Much of the complaints are about the ECHR which has nothing to do with the EU. If we wanted to continue trading with the EU then we would still have to meet all the requirements that we do now.

[towny44]

QBob
try doing some reasearch and you may find we import over £50 Billion a year more from France and Germany, alone than they do from us, so the relevance is that they are not going to cut us off , if we leave the EU,despite your protestation to the contrary

So to talk of UK independence is a nonsense, isn't it? They could put up all our prices for a start. Where does the UK figure in their list of customers? In order to pay for these imports we have to generate the foreign currency which is for a large part done by the City of London. What a lot of people forget is that we live on an island and everything we buy and sell has an extra charge because of the costs of freighting it overseas. Germany, for example, can just put in on a lorry and have it with their customer a few hours later.

And please don't try and insult me with condescension, you don't know what I do or don't know. That's no way to get somebody's vote or even to begin to sway their opinions.

Cubie, do please read DK's post and yours again, and perhaps explain what you mean by the highlighted sections. How could the EU put up our prices for 1? And 2) as far as I know most UK companies also put their goods on a lorry, and shipping it to europe by ferry would only add 1 or 2 days at the most, and German shipment to Spain cannot be there in 2/3 hours.

[towny44]

Why do you think we are ruled from Brussels? Much of the complaints are about the ECHR which has nothing to do with the EU. If we wanted to continue trading with the EU then we would still have to meet all the requirements that we do now.

Are you ABSOLUTELY certain that Swiss and Norwegian companies have to meet Brussels dictats?

[Quizzical Bob]

Are you ABSOLUTELY certain that Swiss and Norwegian companies have to meet Brussels dictats?

Technical standards for electrical items, certainly, and the same applies for all agricultural products. That is the whole point of the EU standards, to make sure that every supplier is offering something to the same ethical, hygiene and safety standards and to make sure that there is no unfair competition.

[Quizzical Bob]

QBob
try doing some reasearch and you may find we import over £50 Billion a year more from France and Germany, alone than they do from us, so the relevance is that they are not going to cut us off , if we leave the EU,despite your protestation to the contrary

So to talk of UK independence is a nonsense, isn't it? They could put up all our prices for a start. Where does the UK figure in their list of customers? In order to pay for these imports we have to generate the foreign currency which is for a large part done by the City of London. What a lot of people forget is that we live on an island and everything we buy and sell has an extra charge because of the costs of freighting it overseas. Germany, for example, can just put in on a lorry and have it with their customer a few hours later.

And please don't try and insult me with condescension, you don't know what I do or don't know. That's no way to get somebody's vote or even to begin to sway their opinions.

Cubie, do please read DK's post and yours again, and perhaps explain what you mean by the highlighted sections. How could the EU put up our prices for 1? And 2) as far as I know most UK companies also put their goods on a lorry, and shipping it to europe by ferry would only add 1 or 2 days at the most, and German shipment to Spain cannot be there in 2/3 hours.

1. Import duties are the most common method.
2. It's not just the time, the cost of freight is much higher from the UK. I have just shipped a unit to Chantilly (near Paris) for delivery tomorrow and the cost is three times the cost of an equivalent UK destination despite it being geographically quite close. Germany sits in the middle of Europe so most places are within a day's travel time. This does also have the disadvantage for them that all the continent's traffic seems to pass through their country using their roads.

[gfwgfw]

Evening shipmates

I find the input on this topic quite interesting

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On June 19, 2013 Mr Nigel Farage entertained a packed house at the Wimborne Minster's fine Tivoli theatre

He came over as a very sincere gentleman

He spoke of his early life and career, and rather late interest in politics

The audience were very appreciative of his delivery, much being light hearted and amusing

J was left with the impression that his political views are are shared by secretly many people

Please . . . I have no allegiance with Mr Farage and have not been swayed to vote for the UKiP party,but perhaps he can give most of our current leaders a much needed "kick up the ass"

[barney]

That's exactly my point Giant One

I don't expect for one minute UKIP will ever get a sniff of power, but the established parties have had it too good for too long.

It's not the fact that UKIP are a fringe party that riles them, it's the message he keeps banging home.

I quite like the guy and would be happy to have a beer and chat with him.

Osborne on the other hand !!! Everytime his pudgy pale face comes on my TV, I want to throw something at it.
And don't even get me started on Balls !!!!

[lioness]

Barney - if Mr Balls gets a sniff of power I may have to emigrate!! Absolutely can't stand him. All he can ever do is knock the tories, never comes up with any suggestions of his own. If the economy is indeed recovering, he is starting to look very stupid. Wouldn't trust him with an ice-cream cone, let alone the economy. At least Osborne seems to know what he is doing? (hopefully)

[Frank Manning]

Barney - if Mr Balls gets a sniff of power I may have to emigrate!! Absolutely can't stand him. All he can ever do is knock the tories, never comes up with any suggestions of his own. If the economy is indeed recovering, he is starting to look very stupid. Wouldn't trust him with an ice-cream cone, let alone the economy. At least Osborne seems to know what he is doing? (hopefully)

er...does anyone know what UKIPs economic policies will be?

er....didn't Hitler come over as quite a nice chap to some people?

er.... weren't the Nazi's considered as having no chance of power for a long time by most Germans?

Personally, however bad we may think the present political parties are, we do have some idea of what they stand for. I dread to think what murk lies hidden inside UKIP. Still, they appeal to the Daily Wail readers so they must be right.

[Quizzical Bob]

Er... I think that Godwin's Law now applies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[davecttr]

Barney - if Mr Balls gets a sniff of power I may have to emigrate!! Absolutely can't stand him. All he can ever do is knock the tories, never comes up with any suggestions of his own. If the economy is indeed recovering, he is starting to look very stupid. Wouldn't trust him with an ice-cream cone, let alone the economy. At least Osborne seems to know what he is doing? (hopefully)

er...does anyone know what UKIPs economic policies will be?

er....didn't Hitler come over as quite a nice chap to some people?

er.... weren't the Nazi's considered as having no chance of power for a long time by most Germans?

Personally, however bad we may think the present political parties are, we do have some idea of what they stand for. I dread to think what murk lies hidden inside UKIP. Still, they appeal to the Daily Wail readers so they must be right.

Blimey! someone with a similar opinion to me

[gfwgfw]

Bleeding Heck

Another PM egg on face moment

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More brownie points for Mr Nigel Farage after the pathos comments of the sado PM . . . whats his face. . . . we are all in this together suggesting Nigel was a chicken for opting out of the Newark bi election

Me thinks Nigel is a shrewd cookie with more brains, balls and common sense . . . seriously devoid of our current leader cal me Dave

Note . . . I still have no allegiance to Nigel, but perhaps . . . who knows

Luboo all

[lioness]

Giant - have to agree!

[wolfie]

I wonder that Nige hasn't made use of this, yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... ounts.html

[barney]

Er... I think that Godwin's Law now applies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Dam you QB

I was going to invoke Godwin's Law

I knew someone would mention the 'N' word eventually

[Quizzical Bob]

Er... I think that Godwin's Law now applies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Dam you QB

I was going to invoke Godwin's Law

I knew someone would mention the 'N' word eventually

My pleasure

Hm, 'Catch a Nazi by the toe'. Yes it might just catch on.

[Frank Manning]

Matthew Parrish has it about right in todays Times newspaper. I dont agree with him on everything but this time he is exactly right.

[Quizzical Bob]

Matthew Parrish has it about right in todays Times newspaper. I dont agree with him on everything but this time he is exactly right.

You can say that again!

[Frank Manning]

Matthew Parrish has it about right in todays Times newspaper. I dont agree with him on everything but this time he is exactly right.

You can say that again!

I just did! I dont know how that happened! I am trying to do a report on our Oceana cruise.

[oldbluefox]

I would like us to return to what I voted for all those many years ago - A Common Market - no more, no less. I can't see the two major parties allowing that because there are too many of them with their snouts in the trough which is essentially a refuge for failed politicians. If Mr Farage can stir the waters sufficiently, maybe we can return to a Europe of trading partners between independent countries in control of their own policies.

[lioness]

Yes I didn't vote for 25 or 26 countries to be the EU? Just a common market. How did it happen!

[gfwgfw]

Mr Farage was given a massive slot on the BEB this very morning . . . . and the smart ass BEB lass foolishly baited him with loaded questions

Me thinks the young ladies knickers were seriously soiled but Nigel's were OMO brightly clean

[Delboy]

Mr Farage was given a massive slot on the BEB this very morning . . . . and the smart ass BEB lass foolishly baited him with loaded questions

Me thinks the young ladies knickers were seriously soiled but Nigel's were OMO brightly clean

He did not do so well in this interview which was on the radio today which was also filmed, when it got a bit too hot for him, one of UKips spokesman wanting to wind it up, the broadcaster wanted an hours interview, Mr Farages team would only allow 20 minutes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05 ... d%3D265184

[wolfie]

I wonder that Nige hasn't made use of this, yet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... ounts.html

Here it is for those that can't be bothered to click on a link.

Lloyds Bank has been accused of religious discrimination after offering free overdraft accounts to Muslims.


The bank sent customers a booklet this month explaining new charges.


While many will have to pay up to £80 a month if they go into the red, Muslims were told they would escape the charges. The document said: “We are removing the monthly overdraft management fee of £6 from our Islamic Account, Islamic Student Account and Islamic Graduate Account. So, if you use an unplanned overdraft on these accounts, there won’t be any charges.”


One customer, Anita Milton, a nurse of New Eltham, south London, said: “I can’t believe that they’re thinking of offering one account for Muslims and making everyone else pay for the same service. Do I have to change my religion to get the best deal?"


Barclays, Co-op Bank and RBS said they do not offer alternative bank accounts to Muslim customers.

Food for thought on the way that the the UK may be going in pandering to what were once ethnic minorities but are seemingly now becoming the majority.

[oldbluefox]

As usual we get the same reaction from the left wing media. The moment anybody stands up for the rights and welfare of the indigenous population they are branded racist. Whilst those in the media applauded the Farage interviewer I thought it was lazy but aggressive journalism trying to trip up Farage as a racist, which he clearly is not. Of course the other parties, especially Labour and Tories will be concerned by the advent of UKIP who are clearly responding to issues which should have been dealt with long ago and stand to take seats from them. Successive governments have ignored the warning signs Re: the British public's unease with the EU and have fobbed off the electorate with false promises. They have only themselves to blame for this current situation. I don't trust Cameron's promise of a referendum on new EU membership terms.

Inequalities such as those outlined by wolfie only go to fan the flames of a system which operates dual standards to the detriment of the local population. Is it wrong to want a level playing field?