UKIP

[david63]

Why do I keep getting the term "Rivers of Blood" going through my head?

[Frank Manning]

I would vote Communist ( no chance in reality!) before I voted UKIP, or EDL or any of the other right wing nationalist parties. I fully understnd the sympathies of many of you, and you are right about the loss of sovereignty issues and the growth of muslim extremism in the UK, but I fear UKIP looks too much like the fledgling Nazi party in the early 1930's for my liking. We are desperate for strong government in the UK with a grip on the economy and a long term plan, but I think all UKIP will do is prevent that from happening by dividing the vote and the country.

[Andrea S]

Off topic but following on from Wolfies comment with regard to ethnic minorities.
We all know when in other countries to respect their way of life. What has disturbed me this week was when I read that a pregnant Sudanese lady has been sentenced to death plus 100 lashes purely because she married a Christian and has taken that religion herself.
We have always been tolerant of other religions but when Christianity is seen as evil we are heading for trouble.

[Onelife]

I don't think we know the implications of what a withdrawal from the EU would entail, but l very much doubt it will happen even with a referendun because if Cameron is still in power he will no doubt sett the "out vote" percentage requirment at a level that we will be hard to achieve. Cameron renaged on his promise of a referendum last time and has had plenty of opportunities to get a better deal for the UK, sadly he just likes swanking with the big nobs in Brussels while we see our country overrun with imigrants who come over seeking work, shack up with their relatives for six months, work our system, then get writen off by a Goverment that hasn't a clue where the hell they are hiding.

I think The EU could work for us but it needs a massive shake up and we need someone who is prepared to fight our corner......voting for Nigel Farage might just be what Cameron needs to get him to see what is happening to our once proud Country.

Regards

OL

[ChesterfieldJohn]

I don't think we know the implications of what a withdrawal from the EU would entail, but l very much doubt it will happen even with a referendun because if Cameron is still in power he will no doubt sett the "out vote" percentage requirment at a level that we will be hard to achieve. Cameron renaged on his promise of a referendum last time and has had plenty of opportunities to get a better deal for the UK, sadly he just likes swanking with the big nobs in Brussels while we see our country overrun with imigrants who come over seeking work, shack up with their relatives for six months, work our system, then get writen off by a Goverment that hasn't a clue where the hell they are hiding.

I think The EU could work for us but it needs a massive shake up and we need someone who is prepared to fight our corner......voting for Nigel Farage might just be what Cameron needs to get him to see what is happening to our once proud Country.

Regards

OL

I agree totally, also no doubt many of his 'friends' make loads of money because we are in the EU.

John

[towny44]

After seeing reports from a number of other countries, strangely on the Beeb news, I get the distinct impression that there will be a large number of new MEPs after the EU election who are opposed to the current EU format.
I wonder how that will pan out?

[david63]

I wonder how that will pan out?

The usual way - keep having a vote until they get the result that they want!

[Delboy]

Assuming UKip get the expected % of votes (although non from this household) and expected number of seats on Thursday, what happens next.

Even if they manage to get above 20% of the vote! this hardly represents the notion that most Brits want out of the EU.

What can UKip deliver, yes they may have more European MP's, but will still only have approx 9% of the vote in the EU, so certainly can do nothing about us withdrawing from Europe.

There is not a hope in hell that UKip will form the next Government at the general election in 2015, or even be in a position to form a coalition with whoever.

So other than receiving a protest vote against the EU by some on Thursday, what can they actually deliver ?

[Ray Scully]

Assuming UKip get the expected % of votes (although non from this household) and expected number of seats on Thursday, what happens next.

Even if they manage to get above 20% of the vote! this hardly represents the notion that most Brits want out of the EU.

What can UKip deliver, yes they may have more European MP's, but will still only have approx 9% of the vote in the EU, so certainly can do nothing about us withdrawing from Europe.

There is not a hope in hell that UKip will form the next Government at the general election in 2015, or even be in a position to form a coalition with whoever.

So other than receiving a protest vote against the EU by some on Thursday, what can they actually deliver ?

NOWT

[Silver_Shiney]

Assuming UKip get the expected % of votes (although non from this household) and expected number of seats on Thursday, what happens next.

Even if they manage to get above 20% of the vote! this hardly represents the notion that most Brits want out of the EU.

What can UKip deliver, yes they may have more European MP's, but will still only have approx 9% of the vote in the EU, so certainly can do nothing about us withdrawing from Europe.

There is not a hope in hell that UKip will form the next Government at the general election in 2015, or even be in a position to form a coalition with whoever.

So other than receiving a protest vote against the EU by some on Thursday, what can they actually deliver ?

But the more votes they get, the louder the voice of the nation saying we want our country back and the more pressure on the two political parties to listen

[towny44]

The UK is not the only EU country that might return a significant number of eurosceptic MEP's, add them all up and they will be a powerful lobby that could be an ally to Cameron as he attempts to renegitiate terms for the UK, or indeed for the entire EU.
So don't write off Nigel too soon.

[Onelife]

Hi Delboy,

I know where you are coming from and agree that voting for UKlP on Thursday can be nothing more than a protest vote, nevertheless it is one that l will be making.

Will my vote, along with the hundreds of thousands around our country make any diffrance? Well there will be more UKIP MEP's after it, and that won't be a bad thing as it it will show those who weld the power that there is a growing unrest within the UK and that we are sick to the back teeth of bending this way and that to accommodate rules that place restrictions on the way we control our own borders, agriculture and fishing, but to name a few.

Of cource there is the bigger picture of trade and one shouldn't underestimate the reprecussions should we "somehow" find ourselves outside of the EU, which in all honesty, isn't something "in the short term" we should consider imo but something we should be "covertly" working towards.

I've always been of the opinion that if you don't understand the implications of what you vote for then you shouldn't vote...but l'm also of the opinion that a country is as good as the rules and standards it makes for itself... from where l'm sitting these rules and standards are gradually being eroded due to having to conform to rules not of our making.

Regards

Keith

[Ray Scully]

Oh dear! I seem to be out of step again. I don't see the European community as an us and them situation. It appears to me that despite its flaws, and there are many, the benefits we gain by membership in what is becoming increasingly a globalised world, far out ways the disadvantages. As little Englanders, the rest of the world would turn us over in a thrice.

Ray

[Silver_Shiney]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

[Ray Scully]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

Alan
As long as it met with the EU specification and the import tariff wasn't prohibitive, I am sure your right


Ray

[Quizzical Bob]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

I won't go into all the details but there are extra costs and bother for selling outside the EU.

[towny44]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

Alan
As long as it met with the EU specification and the import tariff wasn't prohibitive, I am sure your right


Ray

Why does everyone assume there would be a tariff, trade tariifs are very much last century and are only needed by week developing economies; and since our exports already conform to EU standards this would not present a problem.
Why can't everyone consider change and embrace it, why do we want to be frightened little pussies, like the Lib Dems.

[Silver_Shiney]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

I won't go into all the details but there are extra costs and bother for selling outside the EU.

I'm sure we currently sell to other non-EU countries...

[oldbluefox]

Why don't they scrap the EU and set up a Common Market?

Oops! I think they tried that before!!

[Quizzical Bob]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

Alan
As long as it met with the EU specification and the import tariff wasn't prohibitive, I am sure your right


Ray

Why does everyone assume there would be a tariff, trade tariifs are very much last century and are only needed by week developing economies; and since our exports already conform to EU standards this would not present a problem.
Why can't everyone consider change and embrace it, why do we want to be frightened little pussies, like the Lib Dems.

Please listen to someone who exports products. There is extra cost involved in exporting to countries outside the EU. This costs jobs.

[Quizzical Bob]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

I won't go into all the details but there are extra costs and bother for selling outside the EU.

I'm sure we currently sell to other non-EU countries...

Yes, it's more involved and more expensive.

[Silver_Shiney]

For what it's worth, if we're selling something the people in mainland Europe want, they'll buy whether we are in the EU or not

I won't go into all the details but there are extra costs and bother for selling outside the EU.

I'm sure we currently sell to other non-EU countries...

Yes, it's more involved and more expensive.

If it's something that can't come from anywhere else (eg, whisky) you factor those costs into the price, surely.

[Quizzical Bob]

If it's something that can't come from anywhere else (eg, whisky) you factor those costs into the price, surely.

So the price is higher than it needs to be, and the sales are down accordingly. If it is not single-sourced then the competitors can offer a lower-priced product.

[Silver_Shiney]

If it's something that can't come from anywhere else (eg, whisky) you factor those costs into the price, surely.

So the price is higher than it needs to be, and the sales are down accordingly. If it is not single-sourced then the competitors can offer a lower-priced product.

Possibly, but what are our existing sales like to non-EU countries? Or are British suppliers refusing to sell because it's not worth the hassle??

I understand the point you are making, sir, but back in days of yore, I voted for a Common [trading] Market, not an officious, interfering political entity.

[Quizzical Bob]

So the price is higher than it needs to be, and the sales are down accordingly. If it is not single-sourced then the competitors can offer a lower-priced product.

Possibly, but what are our existing sales like to non-EU countries? Or are British suppliers refusing to sell because it's not worth the hassle??

I understand the point you are making, sir, but back in days of yore, I voted for a Common [trading] Market, not an officious, interfering political entity.

We sell, of course, but we could be doing better in both cases. As far as the EU is concerned exchange-rate uncertainties lose a lot of sales. The EU does not interfere as much as you might think, or as much as certain political pressure groups would have you believe. The EU sets minimum standards for all countries to comply with. The UK government then tacks on to any new legislation extra restrictions of its own, and the EU gets the blame.