UKIP

[Onelife]

The great British give away.....bl**dy typical!!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ehind.html.

[barney]

It seems to have started.

UKIP win four seats in Maidstone council and wrest overall control away from the Tories

They appear to have picked up quite a few seats in the leafy suburbs of the South East

Interested to see the Euro reults now. It could be a landslide.

[davecttr]

Bad news for the UK, hopefully people will vote with their brains come the general election.

[Ray Scully]

Bad news for the UK, hopefully people will vote with their brains come the general election.

To me they are just a one trick pony. Once under greater scrutiny in a general election, for domestic policies on education and health etc
We will find them of little substance.

Ray

[oldbluefox]

Pleased to see that the British public has woken up to the fact that for years they have been fobbed off by false promises which has now led to a crisis in education, housing, benefits, NHS, overcrowding. Immigration is at the root core of many of these problems since the country cannot sustain the numbers who have been entering and boosting an already over-populated island. Amidst much teeth sucking the problems are swept under the carpet and anybody broaching the subject is branded as racist.
I cannot believe some of the rhetoric I have heard this morning from the mainstream parties. They just don't get it do they? Hopefully the emergence of UKIP will be a wake-up call, not only in the cosy corners of Westminster but also amongst the failed politicians luxuriating in Brussels.

[Silver_Shiney]

Quite so, Foxy

[gfwgfw]

Good Day

The current incumbents of all shades do not listen nor care for the populace of our fair Ilandsfor a good number of years

I do believe that Mr Nigel Farage has rattled a few political cages it his short political career

Sadly some of his crazed far out stalwarts do paint a good picture of the UKIP organisation, but there again some extreme supporters of both shades have seriously caused big problems their parties over the years

The right honorable ladies and gentlemen on board the Palace of Westminster band wagon, are by in large, the worst ever in my lifetime

Could they organise a p*ss up in a brewery ?

How sad is that

[david63]

It is typical of a "mid term" local election where a "minor" party does well where it is more of a protest vote than anything else. Yes it is a wake up call for the main parties but I also think that it is a wake up call for the electorate as they can see what could happen.

The basis of what few policies that UKIP have will make very little difference at local level and as far as I can see at the moment they do not have control of any councils - although they may hold the balance of power in one or two.

I also suspect that the main parties have played it in such a way as to be able to identify where and how they will need to focus their attention next year.

[Delboy]

As I asked in a previous post what happens next with UKip, because I don't think anybody is really surprised re this immigration protest vote, don't even think the main 3 party's are really surprised at the outcome.

Let's see what influence UKip will have at local council level and in Europe between now and the general election, my own feelings is none, it will change nothing.

At least the disgraced former MP and Ukip deputy chairman Neil Hamilton has failed in his bid to be elected as a councillor in Wandsworth.

The real test will come at the next election, when immigration will fall into the background, and the real election will be about the state of the economy and who the voters think can best manage it. It will all be about the £ in our pockets.

[barney]

"when immigration will fall into the background"

Depending very much on where you live Delboy

I live in rural Kent and there are no issues here at all.

However, in certain parts of the country, immigration is a huge issue and will continue to be.

I agree that UKIP will have no effect on the general election but the attitude of the Westminster Guardianista Elite defies belief today.
They've almost pretended that it did not happen.

That is exactly why the vast, vast majority of voters are totally turned off by politics (including myself)

[Delboy]

"when immigration will fall into the background"

Depending very much on where you live Delboy

I live in rural Kent and there are no issues here at all.

However, in certain parts of the country, immigration is a huge issue and will continue to be.

I agree that UKIP will have no effect on the general election but the attitude of the Westminster Guardianista Elite defies belief today.
They've almost pretended that it did not happen.

That is exactly why the vast, vast majority of voters are totally turned off by politics (including myself)

I am an Essex man born and bred and it would appear UKip have done very well in Essex, yet we don't really have a huge immigration problem in Essex certainly not in the town where I live and certainly not in the towns in Essex where UKip appear to have done well.

We do have a lot of the older generation in Essex who over the years have sold up in London and moved to Essex.

[Dark Knight]

well well, looks like quite a lot of the UK is happy to be part of this political revolution and are quite happy to vote for UKIP

I wonder who will be first to pay court to the lovable rogue, Tories or Labour?

my bet, the tories coz they are virtually the same party

[davecttr]

Nah, just over 9% of the electorate voted UKIP, hardly an overwhelming response. The turnout at 34% was hardly earth shaking either. Luckily us british don't get exited enough about such matters and i trust common sense will return come the election.

[Dark Knight]

well voter apathy apart, which is partly the reason we are in this mess
of a 34% turnout, they go nearly a third of the available vote, if that doesn't worry you, you probably voted for them

should be a fun 12 months watching the "main" parties, run round like headless chickens, trying to snuggle up to UKIP and trying not to appear racist whilst backing UKIP's immigration policy to the hilt
Bet the tories are in bed with them by Xmas

[david63]

As a political party UKIP are nothing to worry about - they are in the same league as the Greens, BNP etc. where they will gain the odd seat or two.

The issue is that at the GE who they will take votes from and how that will affect the "balance of power"

[Delboy]

As a political party UKIP are nothing to worry about - they are in the same league as the Greens, BNP etc. where they will gain the odd seat or two.

The issue is that at the GE who they will take votes from and how that will affect the "balance of power"

David

Think you have hit the nail on the head, don't see the two main party's changing their policy's too much, and don't see either of them snuggling up to Ukip.

At the GE think Ukip vote will drop by about 50%, don't see them getting any seats, certainly not enough to hold the balance of power. It's just a matter of those who will vote for Ukip, who did they vote for previously, assuming they have previously voted.

Just seen the following headline

Farage Targets Miliband's Doncaster Constituency For 2015 General Election

[Dark Knight]

interesting to see some Tory politicians urging Cameron to enter in a pact with UKIP
perhaps there is more to be worried about, than the huge political knowledge on the"tory forum" would suggest

Tories and UKIP...match made in heaven

[jacksparrow]

There is a seat up for grabs in the next week or so in Newark… it will be interesting to see who gets it..

[davecttr]

It appears that the UKIP vote is more of a protest vote than anything else. i notice that the BNP was decimated and left with I presume their hard core of xenophobes and racists.

IMO the main parties are in danger of overreacting. Lets face it 9% of the electorate might or might not vote UKIP in the next election. To achieve the curbs on immigration means leaving the EU with all that implies for our children, grandchildren etc etc. Far too important to leave to a dodgy car salesman!

[Silver_Shiney]

Nah, just over 9% of the electorate voted UKIP, hardly an overwhelming response. The turnout at 34% was hardly earth shaking either. Luckily us british don't get exited enough about such matters and i trust common sense will return come the election.

True, but even fewer people voted for the other parties - that's even more underwhelming for them.

[Dark Knight]

Hilarious to see the 2 main parties and the minority one, all scrambling round telling anyone who will listen, that immigration and being concerned about it, is now NOT racist
sickening double standards from parties who are as racist as UKIP but too scared to tell the truth

[Silver_Shiney]

DK - how is it racist to say we don't want foreigners immigrating here purely to take advantage of our overly-generous benefits system? It is not unreasonable to expect anyone who wants to come and live in this country to have a job to go to first, or at least sufficient resources to fund themselves.

[Dark Knight]

SS
if I may, me old mate
over the last few weeks, this forum has accused Farage and UKIP of blatant racism, when they discuss immigration and by default any supporter of UKIP as branded a racist
I find it wonderfully ironic that the tory yahoos ,the labour prols and bleeding heart liberals on this forum are now supporting parties that condone and promote the same ideology as UKIP but they are in no way racist and neither are their part leaders
yet UKIP were and still are branded as a racist party

as usual when politics is discussed on this most middle English of forums, it is "I am all right Jack/Jill and bugger anyone who has a different view, so long as my little bubble remains in tact and my house goes up in value"
sadly for the blinkered well off egocentrics, times they are a changing

[Delboy]

"It only took five days… or amazingly it took five whole days, but Ukip has suspended one of its newly-elected councillors after the fledgling politician was allegedly caught tweeting about "perverts", "poofs and dykes" and "Pakis".

Dave Small, a fresh face on Redditch Borough Council since Thursday, is to be investigated by the party for allegedly posting homophobic and racist remarks on social media. The councillor won the Church Hill ward by a hefty 665 votes, however he could soon find himself turfed out of Ukip should they conclude wrongdoing.

"Dave Small has been suspended with immediate effect, pending a disciplinary hearing to determine the final outcome," said a Ukip spokesman.

It was reported that in February 2013, Small posted tweets about equal marriage ("poofs and dykes") and gay people ("perverts").

In November the previous year he’d complained that he was not allowed to use the term "Paki", while in June he wrote: "I visiting the city of Birmingham recently and felt like a foreigner in the city of my birth, all around me I could hear the sound of jabbering in an alien voice ... we also have the Pakistani' and the Somali's. Tell me Mr Cameron Why? the men wear their Pyjamas."


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05 ... d%3D267471

[Dark Knight]

How soon middle England forget the myriad scandals and debauchery of their chosen idols. expenses scandals, sexual misconduct, corruption etc etc
hmm sounds like nerves are getting the better of the chattering classes, surely they are not scared that their gold plated lifestyle will be changed.....are they