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We have relinquished Britishness to the liberal left who have pushed multi culturalism. In essence this is no bad thing since in the right context it enhances our culture. However we have pandered so much to other cultures they have now taken precedence over the native culture and anybody who dares to question it is accused of racism. in many ways we are strangers in our own land. Looney left councils are so busy banning elements of British culture in case we offend our immigrant population only helps to cause unrest and resentment. The best of it is the immigrants have no problem with our British way of life anyway. This is political correctness making matters worse.

For a start I would stop providing interpreter services in police stations, hospitals and welfare offices at taxpayers expense. I was absolutely flabberghasted by the amount we spend in translating. This is just one example where we have bent over too far to accommodate multi culturalism.

Anyone who comes to this country to make a positive contribution is welcome, irrespective of race, religion, skin colour. However it should be a condition of entry that this is Britain and immigrants accept our culture. Any attempt to change it should be resisted. When in Rome and all that............

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As always you set out a very convincing argument for change.

On balance l agree with your view that immigration has been good for this country, doctors, nurses, skilled professionals have all contributed significantly to making this a better country....not so sure about resturant workers as according to a program l watched recently, thousands of these restaurant workers are working here illegally along with the hundreds of thousands of others who have got lost in the system.


The trojan horse investigation should be applauded, and will hopfully be the first of many steps needed to address the inequalities that have been highlighted in the Ofsed report. Hopfully when all this is sorted we can start to provide an education that falls in line with the national curriculum and not one which is skewed in favour of one religion over all others.

lf we are to continue with Muslim accadamies then we need to ensure that Muslim female students are not discriminated against, and educate them knowing they have a place in our society, one that isn't seen from behind a veil of oppression. 

"Empower the women and you make their oppressors weaker"


Oh, and just one other thing......l thought this country had a law against crulty to animals?. If that is the case then why, out of some relegious nonsense do we allow the slaughtering of animals by sliting their throats from ear to ear just so the animal can hear a recited prayer for it's sacrifice? If relegious groups wish to carry out this barbaric practice then they should import their meat from elsewhere..... its disgusting and this Goverment should ban it.

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Oh, and just one other thing......l thought this country had a law against crulty to animals?. If that is the case then why, out of some relegious nonsense do we allow the slaughtering of animals by sliting their throats from ear to ear just so the animal can hear a recited prayer for it's sacrifice? If relegious groups wish to carry out this barbaric practice then they should import their meat from elsewhere..... its disgusting and this Goverment should ban it.
I have heard arguments that this method of slaughtering animals is less cruel than the alternative methods.

As I have no knowledge of the methods of animal slaughter I cannot offer an opinion.

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Oh, and just one other thing......l thought this country had a law against crulty to animals?. If that is the case then why, out of some relegious nonsense do we allow the slaughtering of animals by sliting their throats from ear to ear just so the animal can hear a recited prayer for it's sacrifice? If relegious groups wish to carry out this barbaric practice then they should import their meat from elsewhere..... its disgusting and this Goverment should ban it.
I have heard arguments that this method of slaughtering animals is less cruel than the alternative methods.

As I have no knowledge of the methods of animal slaughter I cannot offer an opinion.
I've heard this, too. We all know from personal experience that the sharper the knife, the less pain we feel when we cut ourselves. My understanding is that vital nerves are severed, blocking the sensation of pain, when the animal's neck is slit during Kosher slaughter, which has to be done with an extremely sharp knife. This suggests that the animal is dead within two seconds. Given the witnessed Islamic attitude to women and other chattels, I can't imagine that Halal methods would be as responsible.
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David/Alan

You are joking aren't you? :crazy:

I could post a video but l think you would find it too distressing... try this link instead......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... first.html

Now tell me which you would prefer....a bullet or a knife ?

And no they don't stun them first......if they did they wouldn't hear the prayer now would they? :thumbdown:

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No, I'm not joking Keith.

I didn't necessarily say I am in favour of it.

Anyway I believe it's only the Islamic method that has a "prayer" offered over the act.
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I've heard this, too. We all know from personal experience that the sharper the knife, the less pain we feel when we cut ourselves. My understanding is that vital nerves are severed, blocking the sensation of pain, when the animal's neck is slit during Kosher slaughter, which has to be done with an extremely sharp knife. This suggests that the animal is dead within two seconds. Given the witnessed Islamic attitude to women and other chattels, I can't imagine that Halal methods would be as responsible.

Isn't Kosher meat killed the same way?
Jews in this country have been doing it much longer than the Muslims.

I cant see why people believe Halal is bad but Kosher is fine.


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I've heard this, too. We all know from personal experience that the sharper the knife, the less pain we feel when we cut ourselves. My understanding is that vital nerves are severed, blocking the sensation of pain, when the animal's neck is slit during Kosher slaughter, which has to be done with an extremely sharp knife. This suggests that the animal is dead within two seconds. Given the witnessed Islamic attitude to women and other chattels, I can't imagine that Halal methods would be as responsible.

Isn't Kosher meat killed the same way?
Jews in this country have been doing it much longer than the Muslims.

I cant see why people believe Halal is bad but Kosher is fine.


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You took the words out of my mouth - they do say that great minds think alike :lol: :lol:

I don't think Kosher meat is forced on us in the same way that Halal is.

It does strike me as odd, though, that there is little outcry about Kosher abattoirs.
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Hi John,

Go into google...type in..."Hala slaughter youtube"

Third one down......watch......then tell me what you think.



What other people think about kosha slaughter l have no idea but l think its barbaric and should be banned.

As for the your other comment, it was an aside to my post.....
and well you know it.

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I have just watched this and rather wish I hadn't. Certainly not for the squeamish and if this is the way we, as a nation, are going to treat animals I would willingly boycott any outlets adopting this means of despatch. I even oppose the transport of livestock to the continent for ultimate slaughter (and I'm no tree hugger). Surely it would be more economical to slaughter them first and export carcasses.

Treated humanely I have no problem with having meat on my menu but I stand incredulous that animals are treated so callously whether it's halal or khosher and, as such should be outlawed where cruelty and unnecessary suffering can be shown.

However can you imagine the furore if we did..........? I fear it is too late.
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Hi John,

Go into google...type in..."Hala slaughter youtube"

Third one down......watch......then tell me what you think.



What other people think about kosha slaughter l have no idea but l think its barbaric and should be banned.

As for the your other comment, it was an aside to my post.....
and well you know it.

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Hi Keith,

I am not saying that it is right to kill them like this, I have actually seen it done this way and yes it is awful.
Just that kosher meat is killed the same way but people do not go on about this all the time.
Why is this I wonder?

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John,

Could it be that no-one tried to foist it off onto the rest of us?
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John,

Could it be that no-one tried to foist it off onto the rest of us?

We do not know if it was foisted on us or not, we only know now that we have eaten it because of the media.

We may have been eating it for years unknowingly.

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That's what I mean.

If we have been eating it unknowingly this means of slaughter has been foisted upon us.
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That's what I mean.

If we have been eating it unknowingly this means of slaughter has been foisted upon us.

We may have been eating Kosher meat for years so it isnt just Halal thats what I mean :)

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I suspect, and may well be proven wrong, that there are examples where "humanely" slaughtering animals has gone wrong and the animal has suffered.

As I said before I know nothing about the ways in which animals are slaughtered and cannot, therefore, offer an objective criticism one way or the other.

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Not when they use a bolt in the head David..... :think:

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I am led to believe that Denmark has banned halal and khosher meat. If this is so I applaud the stance they have taken and suggest we should do the same.

At least with a bolt to the head they know nothing.
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Not when they use a bolt in the head David..... :think:

Keith,

If an animal is not accurately stunned or the correct cartridge strength is not used, the stun will not be effective. The EU Scientific Veterinary Committee estimate that around 5 to 10% of cattle are not stunned effectively with the captive bolt - or up to 230,000 animals a year. These animals experience the pain of being shot in the head and will either be stunned again (a difficult procedure) or continue on for knifing whilst conscious.

So it can and probably does happen

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Sack the slaughter man

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John,

Could it be that no-one tried to foist it off onto the rest of us?

We do not know if it was foisted on us or not, we only know now that we have eaten it because of the media.

We may have been eating it for years unknowingly.

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Hi John,

I've been aware for a long time that kosher meat is harvested using the same methods as Halal. The reason that kosher slaughter isn't mentioned as often as that of Halal slaughter is probably something to do with the way it is portrayed via the media......l have seen at least two documentaries which focused on Halal slaughtering houses....

Why do you think it is?

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Hi John,

I've been aware for a long time that kosher meat is harvested using the same methods as Halal. The reason that kosher slaughter isn't mentioned as often as that of Halal slaughter is probably something to do with the way it is portrayed via the media......l have seen at least two documentaries which focused on Halal slaughtering houses....

Why do you think it is?

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Hi Keith,

I believe that it is down to 3 things.

1) The history of the Jewish people.

2) The media.

3) The underlying racism that we the British have.

I do think that 3) is improving with each generation, but the older generation are certainly more racist than the kids of today.

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I find this sidebar discussion about killing animals quite enlightening

part of being multicultural Britain, is accepting that other cultures have a different way of life than we do and integrating that into our oh so wonderful Britishness :roll:
which it seems is quite the problem for a few posters, our own food supply is hardly squeaky clean, with battery farming being a large part of our Britishness

perhaps it is more the case of ,it's not what we want them to do , so stop it? which smacks of imperialism and jingoism, which after all, is what our once great empire was built on, you know ,slavery, exploitation and warmongering, subjugation and Britishness :o
or did you all forget that...rather suddenly
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It's a matter of preserving what we think is right and has nothing at all to do with ' imperialism and jingoism, which after all, is what our once great empire was built on, you know ,slavery, exploitation and warmongering, subjugation'. Nice try though DK!! :wave:

And no, I don't think everything we do is right either but in today's society we mustn't be seen to be British either, must we?
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I have a completely different issue with Halal slaughter.

Let me first say that if I had to kill my own meat, or witness its slaughter, by any means, I would probably be vegetarian. So I suppose I am a coward in letting someone else do it for me.

However my concern with Halal is not actually the means of slaughter, but that is must be carried out while a prayer is said by a person of faith, by which I assume then means a Muslim.

Therefore a Christian probably, and an atheist definitely, would be barred from employment is a Halal slaughterhouse. And that is discrimination.

Were the boot to be on the other foot and Muslims were barred from a particular employment the bleeding heart liberals would be all over it.

But because it is non-Muslims who are discriminated against it is apparently all fine and dandy. And that is not right.

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