Bullying

[Onelife]

Just watched the clip (to upsetting to post) about the 16 year old girl bullying two other girls in Birmingham.

Well I see they have arrested one of them and when they arrest the other I hope they throw the book at them.. 3 years minimum...instead of what they will probably get which will more than likely be a slap on the wrist and a few weeks community order.

This is an opportunity to send a clear and decisive message to all bullies that this behaviour won't be tolerated.

What punishment would you think appropriate?

[Onelife]

Correction to what l said in my opening post.....it was one girl bullying two other girls.

I appreciate you can't make a comment unless you've seen the video

As a father of a young lady of a similar age to those in the video l found it quite upsetting nevertheless should you want to view it...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=82y0SIXCem0

[david63]

So why was this "bystander" recoding the incident for 12 minutes without doing something about it?

[Onelife]

Hi David

I presume the person was one of the bullying girls mates...then he/she goes and posts it on youtube...that just about sums up the mentality of these nasty little brats.

Regards

Keith

[oldbluefox]

What I find equally as appalling is that others stood around, not intervening, even laughing and videoing the incident. In my book they are passively complicit in the action. Not sure what I would do since this attitude seems to be inherent in modern youth culture. Respect for self and damn everybody else seems to be the consequence of spoiling the child.

[Frank Manning]

What I find equally as appalling is that others stood around, not intervening, even laughing and videoing the incident. In my book they are passively complicit in the action. Not sure what I would do since this attitude seems to be inherent in modern youth culture. Respect for self and damn everybody else seems to be the consequence of spoiling the child.

[Onelife]

What I find equally as appalling is that others stood around, not intervening, even laughing and videoing the incident. In my book they are passively complicit in the action. Not sure what I would do since this attitude seems to be inherent in modern youth culture. Respect for self and damn everybody else seems to be the consequence of spoiling the child.

It is worrying isn't foxy...you can just imagine what kind of mother she will make and the kind of values she will install in her children.

Regards

Keith

[Stephen]

Northerners, what do you expect.

[oldbluefox]

Northerners, what do you expect.

I doubt it Stephen. They had roads and street lights.

[oldbluefox]

When a child walks into school, marches up to the teacher and says, 'You can't touch me' you know there is a problem.
When a child walks up to the teacher a few years later and says,' You can't touch me. I have rights' you know there is a problem.
When the misbehaving child in their early teens tells their teacher/police officer 'You can't touch me', in many ways they are right because by then they will probably already have a raft of social workers, psychiatrists and solicitors ready to step in for them.
And then we wonder why we get situations like this and the more closeted but equally damaging social media bullying.
Take away boundaries of social decency and this is what you get, so who do we blame? Usually it's the teachers but the foundations are laid at home and thankfully, decent homes and families are in the majority. As for the rest, I despair.

Interestingly, as a past teacher dealing with pastoral care, it was the parents of the bullies who often came bounding into school complaining their little dear had been bullied. When all was revealed it was usually a case of the little toerag, picking on the wrong person, having a fight and losing. And giving me a wry smile!!!

[Stephen]

Northerners, what do you expect.

I doubt it Stephen. They had roads and street lights.

That's true, and they were working

[Stephen]

When a child walks into school, marches up to the teacher and says, 'You can't touch me' you know there is a problem.
When a child walks up to the teacher a few years later and says,' You can't touch me. I have rights' you know there is a problem.
When the misbehaving child in their early teens tells their teacher/police officer 'You can't touch me', in many ways they are right because by then they will probably already have a raft of social workers, psychiatrists and solicitors ready to step in for them.
And then we wonder why we get situations like this and the more closeted but equally damaging social media bullying.
Take away boundaries of social decency and this is what you get, so who do we blame? Usually it's the teachers but the foundations are laid at home and thankfully, decent homes and families are in the majority. As for the rest, I despair.

Interestingly, as a past teacher dealing with pastoral care, it was the parents of the bullies who often came bounding into school complaining their little dear had been bullied. When all was revealed it was usually a case of the little toerag, picking on the wrong person, having a fight and losing. And giving me a wry smile!!!

That's the nanny state for you.

In my day if you stepped out of line it was either dodging a black board rubber, a clip round the ear, detention, the cane or a bl**dy good hiding from my father if he found out I'd been misbehaving. All five if I was unlucky.

[Soldier]

Some of these youtube scenarios are staged . I believe that they get payment for each viewing .
I agree that someone standing by taking a video is distasteful . Happens all the time these days with smart phones .

But it also captures crime and injustices by public officials and the public.

[Mervyn and Trish]

We had a real bully when I was at school, who picked on all the weaker kids, including me. I was never one to fight back. Not in my nature to be physically violent.

One day, however, he had a go at me and I was absolutely terrified and lashed out instinctively and randomly. As it happened, in my panic I caught him a beauty on the chin and laid him out cold. Once he'd recovered he never bullied me again!

[oldbluefox]

And nowadays his parents would be hot footing it down to school raving that he had been bullied and 'Summat's got to be done or I'm off to the educashun!' Fact is he had a fight and lost.
Sadly not everyone is physical enough to fight back and that's who they tend to target.

[ITWA Travel Writer]

In a similar vain, infact it is still bullying, in that other place known here as “Facecloth”, I was castigated for daring to complain about the growing use of acronyms, which in my mind denigrate the art of communication.

In no uncertain terms I was told that I must be an old “f….r and had no right being in this Facebook group. That I should get a life and that just “f… ..f”. That they hoped that I was not on the same cruise as them.

The politest among them suggested that I should just learn to evolve, as the language evolves.

How has this all come about? What, as a generation, have we done to instigate and develop all this indolent behaviour? When I speak to my daughter and new son in law they just say, that although they do not behave that way, in general that is how society as a whole behaves.

I believe that its roots must lie deeper than just calling it “The Nanny State”. Throughout my many years, as a recipient of our education system, I can bare witness to the changing attitude of the discipline code, I cannot blame the teaching staff in total for this as they only reflect that which is imposed on them.

So where has it gone wrong? Has it gone wrong? What did we do that created this situation? Or am I just an old fuddy-duddy as they implied?

[Mervyn and Trish]

With you all the way on the dreaded acronyms. Perhaps I'm an old f....r too!

In a previous part of my life I wrote a magazine article about the rising tide.

In fact mine was slightly wider than just acronyms in that it took in all abbreviations, and slightly narrower in that I concentrated on assassinating the three letter ones!

And having been in the NUS while getting my BSc and having worked for the HSE as an HSO, as well as the BBC and the NHS believe me I've lived with a few! Now I'm just an OAP.

As a slight aside a mate of mine has firm views on such things too. Whenever a TV programme is preceded by a warning it contains "strong language" he says what they actually mean is "weak vocabulary"!

[Silver_Shiney]

We had a real bully when I was at school, who picked on all the weaker kids, including me. I was never one to fight back. Not in my nature to be physically violent.

One day, however, he had a go at me and I was absolutely terrified and lashed out instinctively and randomly. As it happened, in my panic I caught him a beauty on the chin and laid him out cold. Once he'd recovered he never bullied me again!

My SIL told me of a time at school when he was repeatedly bullied by one particular chap.. Came the day when he snapped and, in view of the teachers, belted the bully so hard that he fell down a flight of stairs. SIL was given 10 minutes in a quiet room to compose himself, bully was expelled.

[Silver_Shiney]

I believe that there is a case for acronyms in a military environment, when brevity is frequently a necessity, although it could sometimes lead to confusion (for example, I can't imagine the SAC (Supreme Allied Commander) being happy with the salary of an SAC (Senior Aircraftman)). My time in the RAF was littered with TLAs (three letter acronyms) and a few UFLAs (useless four letter acronyms). But in outside that, and similar, environments, no, it's just lazy and rude to those reading who may not know what it means (I thought for a long time that LOL meant "lots of love").

John asks where it's all gone wrong. Most of you know my beliefs well enough to know what my answer to that is! We're told that there is no-one to be ultimately accountable to, so it's "stuff you (or words to that effect...), as long as I'm alright Jack".

[Kendhni]

I watched that video the other day and hope the "bully" and her friends that goaded her on are reprimanded ... however I don't think a prison term is necessary with all the costs that would involve ... a long community order and the ability of the victims to sue her and her cohorts for damages should suffice.

[Kendhni]

If you want to see a scarey social experiment then this video shows a nine year old child asking for help. Most adults ignored her, some helped her but one actually hit her and another who tried to grab her was a known pedophile

[Stephen]

Someone's about early. Couldn't sleep Ken