I don't believe what I just heard

[Stephen]

Just been watching the BBC evening news and couldn't believe what I was hearing. A young girl who allegedly has Ben involved in terrorist activities, albeit via searching the Internet using her schools computer and correspondence has been let out on bail to go back to school.

Unbelievable

[Dancing Queen]

I saw that too Stephen .. absolutely crazy

[mavismumakrill]

and now what is there to stop her enrolling even more school children into her evil ways whilst out on bail and going to school..... it is disgusting she has been allowed to mix with other vulnerable people.

mavis x

[Onelife]

Hi Stephen....when you isolate children from other religions, cultures then its not surprising that you hear stories such as this. I don't know how we tackle this growing radicalisation of impressionable children but I don't think our government are doing enough to promote what are the true values of living in a democratic country such as ours. We need to turn the table of propaganda back on Isis and show our kids the brutality of what living under Islamic state would really be like.

[Meg 50]

which is why there's a fuss about removing RE from the curriculum - not because we can no longer indoctrinate them into Christianity or whatever, but because they will no longer be able to see the full range of beliefs and what their effects are.
the only RE they will get is the hard-line stuff at home and from their peers

[Meg 50]

as well as all the other philosophical and social stuff which is included within that subject...

[oldbluefox]

But is it just about religious doctrine if, as we are led to believe Islam is a religion of love and tolerance?
It seems to me that the religious fanaticism of these people is a backlash against the western world and western culture. They have been brought up in communities which, although based in Britain/Europe could easily be in Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq or wherever. They have maintained their own culture in its entirety whilst also benefiting from the security of the host country, and we have allowed it to happen. These communities co-exist as opposed to integrate so it is hardly surprising that they want their own laws and some are prepared to fight against those they see as 'enemies of their brothers and sisters'. Is it a rejection of British/Western values and religion is being used to express their opposition? (I don't know. I am just asking the question before somebody jumps down my throat!!)
Essentially there is no problem in the 21st century with multi-culturalism but importing thousands of immigrants as Mr Blair did to create that society needed to be planned and managed so they could be assimilated as British rather than maintaining their status as foreigners living in Britain.

[Kendhni]

Worse still is the woman who went to join her husband fighting for ISIS in Syria and she took her children with her ... now her husband has been killed she wants to return to the UK (probably for the benefits and housing). Unfortunately the UK consulate is apparently talking to her

[oldbluefox]

Why was everybody getting excited this morning because a woman and her four children were thought to be heading for Syria. I wonder what authority we have to prevent people doing what they want to do and go where they want BUT on the understanding there is no return for them. Why do our police spend so much time and money chasing after these individuals? If Syria is where they feel their future lies (incoherent as it may seem to us) why should we try to stop them?
Am I missing the point here somewhere along the line?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm with you Foxy. If they want to go let them. But don't let them back.

[Happydays]

This is my opinion as well. Why are the police spending the time and money on people who don't want to be here or value our way of life?

[jay-ell71]

I agree. If they want to go, let them go, but NEVER let then back here.

[Silver_Shiney]

Apparently you are not allowed to be rendered stateless.

However, these people want to stick two fingers up at their adopted countries, who have fed and housed them, and go to support Islamic State. They are, therefore, not stateless, they're joining IS. So we should be able to withdraw their passports and strip them of British/European/whatever citizenship. That Islamic State is not recognised by humanity is not my problem.

[jay-ell71]

Well said SS

[Raybosailor]

Why is the subject of religion regularly used as an excuse for radicalism ?, these people want to make extreme changes to society regardless of which religion they often hide behind.
Like others have said if they want to go give them a one way non negotiable ticket, we don't need these people walking our streets.
Lets worry about those who want to disrupt the peaceful democratic country we have enjoyed for many years at the cost of millions of lives fighting for what we have today.
Any act of terrorism in this country should be treated as treason which if I'm not mistaken still carries the death sentence but that is my opinion and I suppose human rights supporters will jump down my throat.

Human Rights : Like (I hope) all of you on this forum I am human and behave in a human manner not wanting to cause pain or suffering to any other human. We have human rights. Anyone who does a inhuman act whether it be theft,pre meditated assault or murder is not on my terms human and should forfeit their their human rights.

Bank Holiday moan over, Ray

[Quizzical Bob]

Why is the subject of religion regularly used as an excuse for radicalism ?, these people want to make extreme changes to society regardless of which religion they often hide behind.
Like others have said if they want to go give them a one way non negotiable ticket, we don't need these people walking our streets.
Lets worry about those who want to disrupt the peaceful democratic country we have enjoyed for many years at the cost of millions of lives fighting for what we have today.
Any act of terrorism in this country should be treated as treason which if I'm not mistaken still carries the death sentence but that is my opinion and I suppose human rights supporters will jump down my throat.

Human Rights : Like (I hope) all of you on this forum I am human and behave in a human manner not wanting to cause pain or suffering to any other human. We have human rights. Anyone who does a inhuman act whether it be theft,pre meditated assault or murder is not on my terms human and should forfeit their their human rights.

Bank Holiday moan over, Ray

The death sentence no longer exists in Britain in any circumstances since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

[Raybosailor]

Why is the subject of religion regularly used as an excuse for radicalism ?, these people want to make extreme changes to society regardless of which religion they often hide behind.
Like others have said if they want to go give them a one way non negotiable ticket, we don't need these people walking our streets.
Lets worry about those who want to disrupt the peaceful democratic country we have enjoyed for many years at the cost of millions of lives fighting for what we have today.
Any act of terrorism in this country should be treated as treason which if I'm not mistaken still carries the death sentence but that is my opinion and I suppose human rights supporters will jump down my throat.

Human Rights : Like (I hope) all of you on this forum I am human and behave in a human manner not wanting to cause pain or suffering to any other human. We have human rights. Anyone who does a inhuman act whether it be theft,pre meditated assault or murder is not on my terms human and should forfeit their their human rights.

Bank Holiday moan over, Ray

The death sentence no longer exists in Britain in any circumstances since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

That's a shame Bob but thanks for the update, this country is full of softy's now and I fear for the future of our decent young ones today because before long they will be only good fruit in a very badly managed orchard.

[oldbluefox]

Sadly we are seen as a soft touch compared to other countries and are consequently susceptible to any extremists who find sanctuary here. The problem is exacerbated when, having carried out their dastardly deeds they can then count on a horde of lawyers, barristers, interpreters, psychologists (and other ologists) to represent them, all courtesy of the British tax payer. We will pay for their court case and we will continue paying after sentencing for an army of human rights lawyers who will take them through numerous appeals, again all paid for by the British tax payer. Of course it's all good business for the lawyers who will be laughing all the way to the bank and are very happy to string the legal system along as much as they can. It's a scandal of our time supporting individuals who hold us in such contempt and the practice should be stopped.
Soft touch? You bet we are!!!

[Happydays]

Have just been watching the news while enjoying my afternoon coffee and fresh baked scone ;)and nearly choked (I know some would say deservedly) The labor leader hopefuls think we should accept 10,000 more migrants from Syria etc!! are they nuts? We already have had over three hundred thousand extra over last year. Where would they go? We already have a housing shortage as well as the impact it would have on the NHS and schools etc. Also the migrants/refugees are demonstrating in Hungary now because they aren't getting their own way. As the Hungarian spoke said they are not desperate when they arrive there as they are providing shelter and food when they registrar but they won't comply...they want to go where they perceive they'll get more for nothing!..... now over to the more kind, soft touches that I'm sure will shoot me down

[jay-ell71]

No. I for one will not shoot. I believe there is some sort of "band wagon" culture going on here. I saw a migrant in Hungary complaining loudly that there was nothing for them, no shelter, no food, no access to trains etc. etc. I don't understand why these illegal immigrants expect so much. They keep coming because they keep coming. I thought that they were unaware of the reception they would get, but they all seem to have mobile phones and Face Book access so they must know what the situation is when they set out. Mrs Merkel will rue the day she said "Let them come". It is very sad indeed, but simply arriving in Europe is not the answer to their plight.

[Quizzical Bob]

Why don't they stay in their own country and fight for their own way of life. Join the national army if necessary. We're already more than full.

[oldbluefox]

Perhaps we are now paying for all the years when we opened our borders to all and sundry in a trendy quest for a multi-cultural society. And I see Mrs Balls thinks we can take in substantially more. Has she forgotten all our public services are now at stretching point and we are struggling to provide for those already here or does she seriously not have a clue? Unfortunately she and her ilk are not the ones who have to cope with the consequences of their policies.
Having reached Hungary I would have thought the migrants would be pleased to have reached safety from wars. Maybe refugee camps are the answer from whence they can be recruited according to skills to different countries. It seems they have other ideas and are dictating where they will go whether they have the skills that country needs or not.

[Not so ancient mariner]

Hungary has made it pretty clear that they don't want (many of) them there!

[qbman1]

Why don't they stay in their own country and fight for their own way of life. Join the national army if necessary. We're already more than full.

Regardless of where they end up, the problem is that most don't want to integrate into the culture of their "new country" but want to maintain the culture and ideals of the land from whence they fled citing "persecution" or whatever. Explain that !

Yes, I know, one word answer - "benefits" !

[Silver_Shiney]

Perhaps they are too scared to fight - after all, we've seen in the news how the Islamic terrorists treat their prisoners. Our contact in Greece, who is helping provide aid to the refugees, reports that they "have met all kinds of people there, from barristers to nurses, structural engineers to housewives. One family from Iraq explained how a group of men were going to fight against government forces and came to recruit the males of their household. The father refused to fight and the next day their house, along with all their belongings, was burned down. Thankfully no-one was home at the time but a very clear message was sent to them: fight or die. This mother and father decided to take their family and run, rather than be forced to fight for their enemies or watch their children die. Now they have nothing, but they have stayed alive and hope for a future in freedom for their children. "

I do agree, though, that those who are genuine refugees seeking a life in another country must integrate and not form "ghettos".