A new EU poll

[Mervyn and Trish]

We've had a poll for ages on in or out of the EU. Now we know the terms and the date of the referendum are you in or out?

[towny44]

Unfortunately our forum does not seem to reflect the current polls.

[Mervyn and Trish]

There'll be only one vote that counts. In the end inertia will rule many people. But after the pathetic performance from our PM in Brussels the pro EU lobby have a lot of work to do to convince the sceptics anything will change.

[Ray Scully]

Unfortunately our forum does not seem to reflect the current polls.

Towny44 is that so surprising? cruisers are generally a moaning lot who always feel hard done by. With these two gentlemen leading the out campaign how can it fail?

[oldbluefox]

In fairness to Cameron he was on a hiding to nothing. Was it ever likely the Eastern Bloc countries would give up the lucrative benefits their countrymen could obtain? Who was the dimwit who thought it was right to pay child allowance at UK rates in another land?
Everything he has 'achieved' is nothing but smoke and mirrors and will be reversed once a Yes vote is announced. Of course there are those in UK who have done well from the EU with subsidies and investment. Understandably they will want to remain as members. However there are a good many of us who have seen no benefit from our membership and fear for the future of our nation if we remain.
Do I trust the EU? From what I have seen it is nothing more than a gravy train for failed and retired politicians. You have to be joking!!!!

[wolfie]

In fairness to Cameron he was on a hiding to nothing. Was it ever likely the Eastern Bloc countries would give up the lucrative benefits their countrymen could obtain? Who was the dimwit who thought it was right to pay child allowance at UK rates in another land?Everything he has 'achieved' is nothing but smoke and mirrors and will be reversed once a Yes vote is announced. Of course there are those in UK who have done well from the EU with subsidies and investment. Understandably they will want to remain as members. However there are a good many of us who have seen no benefit from our membership and fear for the future of our nation if we remain.
Do I trust the EU? From what I have seen it is nothing more than a gravy train for failed and retired politicians. You have to be joking!!!!

Where's the like button when you need it? (Not wanting a dislike button, even if that would be good at times )

[Mervyn and Trish]

I agree Foxy that what little has been achieved will be reversed if there's a yes vote.

So I suppose we could adopt the French "soddez vous" approach. Vote yes, then unilaterally cut benefits and defy the European Court when it suits us. And, another Cameron promise, tear up the Human Rights Act.

That works for me!

[oldbluefox]

And next to come under the axe should be the European Court of Human Rights, a lucrative market for lawyers making a quick buck at taxpayers' expense out of promoting appeal after appeal through the judicial system and eventually finding satisfaction when it is decided their human rights will be infringed.
Cue the delectable Shami Chakrabati.

[Silver_Shiney]

yes to an economic union (aka the Common Market), NO to political union.

I want out of this current arrangement. NOW.

[Manoverboard]

The new vote is too early, we need to listen to reasoned argument from both sides rather than diving into the roots of our Island mentality.

[qbman1]

And next to come under the axe should be the European Court of Human Rights, a lucrative market for lawyers making a quick buck at taxpayers' expense out of promoting appeal after appeal through the judicial system and eventually finding satisfaction when it is decided their human rights will be infringed.
Cue the delectable Shami Chakrabati.

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You called ?

[Mervyn and Trish]

I think she has left Liberty - thank goodness. She always seemed to stand up for every scumbag in society and never for me.

But now to Boris. The press are already saying his intervention makes this personal. And I fear it has. He may add a charismatic character to the "No" campaign but for some the referendum will become a poll on who should lead the Conservative party - Call-me-Dave or Boris. While I am disappointed to say the least in what Cameron has achieved in his pathetic renegotation, and I think Boris is an amusing clown, I'm not sure I'm ready for Boris as PM. So do I still vote NO to the EU and effectively vote YES for Boris?

[towny44]

The new vote is too early, we need to listen to reasoned argument from both sides rather than diving into the roots of our Island mentality.

What makes you think we will get any reasoned argument?

Both sides seem only to stress the negative aspects of each option, or to wax lyrical about the benefits their option will provide, without of course any cast iron facts on which to make a reasoned judgement.

Therefore we will be left to decide on pure gut instinct, which perhaps is the best way to decide anyway.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I realise this forum is unrepresentative, or at least self selecting, but I find it interesting that this poll, which I began after Call-Me-Dave's heroic negotiations is showing a bigger percentage for OUT than the one started before his efforts. Did a good job there then didn't he?

[Manoverboard]

The new vote is too early, we need to listen to reasoned argument from both sides rather than diving into the roots of our Island mentality.

What makes you think we will get any reasoned argument?

Both sides seem only to stress the negative aspects of each option, or to wax lyrical about the benefits their option will provide, without of course any cast iron facts on which to make a reasoned judgement.

Therefore we will be left to decide on pure gut instinct, which perhaps is the best way to decide anyway.

We must listen carefully, they will tell us only once ...

[poole boy]

mob
We must listen carefully, they will tell us only once ...

Think your wrong there mob more realistically they will tell us a hundred times but its your decision to believe them or not personally I don't so will be voting out.
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[Silver_Shiney]

We should never have voted "in" to begin with... 'Tis a wonderful thing, hindsight

[oldbluefox]

They told me I was voting into the Common Market, a conglomerate of European trading nations. Like a mug I believed them and look how it has turned out. I am happy to trade with Europe but I don't want to be ruled by them. I'll not believe them again. It's a definite out from me.

[Mervyn and Trish]

They told me I was voting into the Common Market, a conglomerate of European trading nations. Like a mug I believed them and look how it has turned out. I am happy to trade with Europe but I don't want to be ruled by them. I'll not believe them again. It's a definite out from me.

Spot on again Foxy. I too voted to join the Common Market. Not the United States of Europe, run by an unelected cabal.

[Ray Scully]

Boris+ Trump + Putin = Armageddon

[oldbluefox]

Or...............
Corbyn + Trump + Putin = and we're all doomed!!!

[towny44]

The "In" crowd are certainly made up of some strange bedfellows, most of whom would not spit on David Cameron if he were on fire, mind you so are the "out" mob. I can imagine as much internal bickering in both camps as there will be between them.

[Ian Perth]

Just to put something in the mix. A few of the comments around this issue are that people dont want to be ruled by the unelected, how things change. This was the exact issue when Scotland said they didn't want to be ruled by the unelected government in London, the people of Scotland made this clear but nothing changed. If the leave vote wins then there's no doubt a second referendum will happen in my view. The fact is, whatever we decide London rules the roost for the rest of us. The gap between what they think they know and what's really happening in real life is getting wider by the day.

[oldbluefox]

Just to put something in the mix. A few of the comments around this issue are that people dont want to be ruled by the unelected, how things change. This was the exact issue when Scotland said they didn't want to be ruled by the unelected government in London, the people of Scotland made this clear but nothing changed.

But I thought the people of Scotland voted to stay as part of the UK? It's maybe just as well since much was heralded about wealth from the oilfields prior to the collapse in the price of oil.

The gap between what they think they know and what's really happening in real life is getting wider by the day.

I could not agree more Ian and this is true of all political parties once they get into Downing Street.

If the leave vote wins then there's no doubt a second referendum will happen in my view.

Despite what Mrs Krankie said I think this was inevitable anyway and will be repeated until such time as the desired effect was achieved. Brexit will just provide the excuse to return to the Scottish electorate.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Just to put something in the mix. A few of the comments around this issue are that people dont want to be ruled by the unelected, how things change. This was the exact issue when Scotland said they didn't want to be ruled by the unelected government in London, the people of Scotland made this clear but nothing changed. If the leave vote wins then there's no doubt a second referendum will happen in my view. The fact is, whatever we decide London rules the roost for the rest of us. The gap between what they think they know and what's really happening in real life is getting wider by the day.

But funny the Scots don't want to be ruled by a government in London, at which they do have democratically elected representatives, but do want to be rules by faceless unelected bureacrats in Brussels. How does that work?