EU referendum - Stay or Leave?

[towny44]

I have a nephew over 40 who as a schitzophrenic has been on benefits all his life.
He is the first to say that he receives far more than he needs
He also would not publically wish anyone dead nor accuse them ridiculously of murder.

I don't know what the higher rate of disability payment is but l would be surprised if it's more then £160 per week therefore your nephew must be capable of work or he must be getting other benefits on top of his disability payments.

Has he thought about talking to the DWP about reducing his entitlement?

As if.......!

[barney]

What was has gone.
It's what will be that is important.

Because I have a personal prejudice against any politician doesn't mean that I will not listen to their point of view.

I don't have a lot of time for Livingstone or Corbyn but am interested in what they have to say about issues, without agreeing.

I'm still waiting for the first one to stand up and say "we really don't know"

Because the reality is, nobody does.

My 'gut' is that the EU is sleepwalking to eventual disaster and will collapse of it's own accord.
The continuance of expansion will end in tears in my humble opinion.
Germany is what is holding it all together and that could all change at their next election.
Many there seem to have had enough.
Any major change in German policy and the walls will come tumbling down.

We have the opportunity to get out and be ahead of the game and I think we should take it.

[Silver_Shiney]

Well said, Barney

[Manoverboard]

I think OL tells it how he sees it rather than how it actually is but then we are all prone to exaggeration in order to promote our heart felt causes.

Anyhowz .. adopting the stance of Marx while enjoying the trapping of Marks ... is how I see him

[oldbluefox]

I think OL tells it how he sees it rather than how it actually is but then we are all prone to exaggeration in order to promote our heart felt causes.

Anyhowz .. adopting the stance of Marx while enjoying the trapping of Marks ... is how I see him

Are you looking to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize Mob? Not satisfied with the Cup semi-finals you're going for it big time.

[Onelife]

Keefy you really need to take off your red tinted glasses. labour under Blair and Brown were incompetent crooks, Blair is ,as you put it, guilty of murder and war crimes and not just not just being Americas poodle
Brown sold us down the economic river by selling the countries gold reserves and borrowing like a student on a Saturday night out
your politics is your own but you really need to stop trying to make out that the Labour are any sort of viable alternative and that their policies are even remotely sensible, Corbyn is a puppet at best and in no way a credible leader of a country, he would bankrupt us inside 4 years and leave this country defenceless and open to anyone who wants to walk in the door

Hi Darkestone.....Firstly l have only ever voted labour once in my lifetime but will do again when/if David Miliband ever takes over the leadership of a reformed labour party. As l have said on many occasions there is no point in looking back on who did what/or what should have been done because each party will have something you can pin on them.... at the end of the day we never learn from our mistakes we just allow the greed of uncontrolled capatalism to steer us down the same old path.....thus, the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Regards

Keefy

[oldbluefox]

.............thus, the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Which is exactly what happened under the last Labour government despite what they now say.
The cynic in me says Labour were grateful not to win the last election since they knew the country was in economic meltdown with a benefit culture which had got out of control and was unsustainable. They even acknowledged themselves that cuts would have to be made. Better that the Tories be left to carry out policies they knew would be unpopular whilst they could sit smugly on the sidelines lamenting the fortunes of 'the vulnerable '.
Of course if, as an MP, you get voted out there is always the EU gravy train you can latch onto. Exactly how many layers of government do we really need?

[Mervyn and Trish]

While we were in Madeira for the last three weeks, which has benefited considerably from the EU (we go to check out the infrastructure we've paid for), we spoke to someone there who has very firm views on the EU - it is broken.

He is friends with a politician on the island who was summoned to a meeting in Brussels. On arrival they retired to their hotels. The next day they convened and there was discussion about the language their small meeting (there were four of them) would be held in. Three spoke fluent English. The fourth didn't and required a translator, who wasn't available that day. They retired to their hotels. The next day a translator was in attendance and it was quickly established that the fourth delegate, who like the rest had been invited to attend by EU officials, knew nothing on the topic to be discussed. They retired to their hotels. The next day they all went home having achieved nothing.

The guy I was speaking to was of the view that the major players in the EU know that it is broken and will collapse if nothing is done. They also desperately want the UK to remain. But his view is what they need is the shock of the UK voting out. He believes that will be sufficient to encourage a number of other countries to follow suit and only then will the EU reforms which are needed happen.

[oldbluefox]

If Britain exits the EU I can see the whole lot collapsing.
But I have a good idea! Why don't they dismantle the EU and set up a group of European trading nations with the sole aim of acting as trading partners? Now I would vote for that.

Shucks!!!!! Somebody's already thought of it, but it's a good idea nonetheless as long as the politicians don't tamper with it.

[Mervyn and Trish]

That's what I voted for it seems like a million years ago.

[towny44]

Keefy you really need to take off your red tinted glasses. labour under Blair and Brown were incompetent crooks, Blair is ,as you put it, guilty of murder and war crimes and not just not just being Americas poodle
Brown sold us down the economic river by selling the countries gold reserves and borrowing like a student on a Saturday night out
your politics is your own but you really need to stop trying to make out that the Labour are any sort of viable alternative and that their policies are even remotely sensible, Corbyn is a puppet at best and in no way a credible leader of a country, he would bankrupt us inside 4 years and leave this country defenceless and open to anyone who wants to walk in the door

Hi Darkestone.....Firstly l have only ever voted labour once in my lifetime but will do again when/if David Miliband ever takes over the leadership of a reformed labour party. As l have said on many occasions there is no point in looking back on who did what/or what should have been done because each party will have something you can pin on them.... at the end of the day we never learn from our mistakes we just allow the greed of uncontrolled capatalism to steer us down the same old path.....thus, the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Regards

Keefy

Keith, An old labour voting work colleague told me his Dad, himself a dyed in the wool socialist always said that, "Under a Labour Govt. wealth is shared out evenly, but under a Conservative Govt. everyone is better off", and from my experience that is as true now as it ever was.

[Silver_Shiney]

Keefy you really need to take off your red tinted glasses. labour under Blair and Brown were incompetent crooks, Blair is ,as you put it, guilty of murder and war crimes and not just not just being Americas poodle
Brown sold us down the economic river by selling the countries gold reserves and borrowing like a student on a Saturday night out
your politics is your own but you really need to stop trying to make out that the Labour are any sort of viable alternative and that their policies are even remotely sensible, Corbyn is a puppet at best and in no way a credible leader of a country, he would bankrupt us inside 4 years and leave this country defenceless and open to anyone who wants to walk in the door

Hi Darkestone.....Firstly l have only ever voted labour once in my lifetime but will do again when/if David Miliband ever takes over the leadership of a reformed labour party. As l have said on many occasions there is no point in looking back on who did what/or what should have been done because each party will have something you can pin on them.... at the end of the day we never learn from our mistakes we just allow the greed of uncontrolled capatalism to steer us down the same old path.....thus, the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Regards

Keefy

Keith, An old labour voting work colleague told me his Dad, himself a dyed in the wool socialist always said that, "Under a Labour Govt. wealth is shared out evenly, but under a Conservative Govt. everyone is better off", and from my experience that is as true now as it ever was.

Even the communist government of China have proved that hard-left socialist policies work if you're prepared to be a capitalist....

[barney]

Was anyone lucky enough to hear the interview with Amber Rudd on the Today program on Radio 4 this morning.

It actually made me laugh out loud.

It reminded me of the old saying " remain silent and be thought a fool, or speak and confirm it"

Apparently, if we leave the EU, gas and electric will go up by £500 million a year and Putin will cut our gas off.

Justin Webb pointed out that we hardly buy any gas from Russia and her response was 'I know, but we may in the future'

So Russia will cut off the gas that we don't currently buy ?????

Project Fear is starting to get a bit embarrassing

[Solent Richard]

Was anyone lucky enough to hear the interview with Amber Rudd on the Today program on Radio 4 this morning.

It actually made me laugh out loud.

It reminded me of the old saying " remain silent and be thought a fool, or speak and confirm it"

Apparently, if we leave the EU, gas and electric will go up by £500 million a year and Putin will cut our gas off.

Justin Webb pointed out that we hardly buy any gas from Russia and her response was 'I know, but we may in the future'

So Russia will cut off the gas that we don't currently buy ?????

Project Fear is starting to get a bit embarrassing

I didn't actually hear that Barney but over my breakfast Crasters' this morning I enjoyed reading a Quentin lets write-up of Boris Johnson 'biffing' the Euro-biased Treasury Committee yesterday...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hiles.html

Even more top class entertainment was yesterday's PMQs.

If Jeremy Corbyn didn't exist the Tories would have to invent him.

It's such a shame that David cameron has chosen the wrong side to bat for.

I'm for Brexit.

[Solent Richard]

If Britain exits the EU I can see the whole lot collapsing.
But I have a good idea! Why don't they dismantle the EU and set up a group of European trading nations with the sole aim of acting as trading partners? Now I would vote for that.

Shucks!!!!! Somebody's already thought of it, but it's a good idea nonetheless as long as the politicians don't tamper with it.

Sounds a good plan to me OldBlueFox.

By the way, now I have your attention, I'm rooting for your boys to win the League. So much so I'm even prepared to do an exchange.

Southampton to turn out their reserves Saturday week and then whallop the Spurs on 7 May.

Deal on?

[Solent Richard]

Hi Darkestone.....Firstly l have only ever voted labour once in my lifetime but will do again when/if David Miliband ever takes over the leadership of a reformed labour party. As l have said on many occasions there is no point in looking back on who did what/or what should have been done because each party will have something you can pin on them.... at the end of the day we never learn from our mistakes we just allow the greed of uncontrolled capatalism to steer us down the same old path.....thus, the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

Regards

Keefy

...and all of them carry on cruising.

[Solent Richard]

Keefy you really need to take off your red tinted glasses. labour under Blair and Brown were incompetent crooks, Blair is ,as you put it, guilty of murder and war crimes and not just not just being Americas poodle
Brown sold us down the economic river by selling the countries gold reserves and borrowing like a student on a Saturday night out
your politics is your own but you really need to stop trying to make out that the Labour are any sort of viable alternative and that their policies are even remotely sensible, Corbyn is a puppet at best and in no way a credible leader of a country, he would bankrupt us inside 4 years and leave this country defenceless and open to anyone who wants to walk in the door

Any truth in the rumour that Jeremy Corbyn came out of a test tube in a secret lab under Conservative HQ?

[anniec]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hiles.html

Even more top class entertainment was yesterday's PMQs.

If Jeremy Corbyn didn't exist the Tories would have to invent him.

It's such a shame that David cameron has chosen the wrong side to bat for.

I'm for Brexit.

Ah, the marvellous Quentin Letts; the only reason I persevere with the increasingly dire DM is the quality of (some of) the writers it manages to employ. He's written a handful of books, all worth reading.

In/out seems to depend on age - if only the over 60s got a vote, suspect we'd be out like a shot. Under that age, majority seems to be in favour of staying put. I'm hoping that only the over 60s will bother to turn out on the day.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Was anyone lucky enough to hear the interview with Amber Rudd on the Today program on Radio 4 this morning.

It actually made me laugh out loud.

It reminded me of the old saying " remain silent and be thought a fool, or speak and confirm it"

Apparently, if we leave the EU, gas and electric will go up by £500 million a year and Putin will cut our gas off.

Justin Webb pointed out that we hardly buy any gas from Russia and her response was 'I know, but we may in the future'

So Russia will cut off the gas that we don't currently buy ?????

Project Fear is starting to get a bit embarrassing

Let's get on with fracking Blackpool and we won't need anyone else's gas!

Oh and £500 million sounds a big number but is less than £10 a head!

[towny44]

Was anyone lucky enough to hear the interview with Amber Rudd on the Today program on Radio 4 this morning.

It actually made me laugh out loud.

It reminded me of the old saying " remain silent and be thought a fool, or speak and confirm it"

Apparently, if we leave the EU, gas and electric will go up by £500 million a year and Putin will cut our gas off.

Justin Webb pointed out that we hardly buy any gas from Russia and her response was 'I know, but we may in the future'

So Russia will cut off the gas that we don't currently buy ?????

Project Fear is starting to get a bit embarrassing

Let's get on with fracking Blackpool and we won't need anyone else's gas!

Oh and £500 million sounds a big number but is less than £10 a head!

I'm backing fracking as well Merv.

[Manoverboard]

I'm not fracking well paying £10, we don't have gas ... Merv'll have to pay ours.

[qbman1]

The bloody referendum is months away and I am past caring already ! Maybe that was the government's cunning plan - announce it early enough and everyone would be so fed up with the arguments, they won't bother voting to leave

[barney]

I see that the Mailonline has called it a 'Car Crash Interview'

It really was very funny !

[Mervyn and Trish]

Today's incentive from the EU to get out. An idiot official telling us we shouldn't refer to people breaking into and hiding in lorries as illegal immigrants.

What a load of cobblers.

Genuine refugees should be claiming asylum in the first country they set foot in. Other genuine travellers should be presenting their passports at passport control and their tickets at the check in..

If you have a legal right to be here there's no need to hide in a truck. They are illegal. Get over it Mr Bureaucrat. Another nail in the EU coffin for me.

[qbman1]

That's very good Merv. Well said. Will you be repeating that on't wireless ?