EU referendum - Stay or Leave?

[screwy]

Funnilly enough it had crossed my mind...would MOD allow it..?

BTW...were you on N315 June 13.?

[Quizzical Bob]

Was actually thinking that with out the EU Argentina and Spain would see the Falklands and Gib as easy pickings.
Think Scotland would have another vote and then join the EU.

What make you think this?
Didn't France supply Argentina with exocet missiles during the last crisis.

And parts of the Exocet were manufactured in Havant, just down the road from me.

Also made in Britain were the two type 42 frigates serving in the Argentinian navy.

So what's your point?

[Mervyn and Trish]

Funnilly enough it had crossed my mind...would MOD allow it..?

BTW...were you on N315 June 13.?

We weren't but it is possible our photo was! Alternatively have you been on Calamity? We met one of HMPS's best on there.

[Silver_Shiney]

We met one of HMPS's best on there.

Warders or "customers"?

[Mervyn and Trish]

He claimed warder, but.......

[screwy]

Nope, never been on Calamity. We are all HMPS's best. The Forgotten ones. !!

[Mervyn and Trish]

Wasn't you then. This one had been on 'The Weakest Link' and won.

[Frank Manning]

Sorry. I'm still voting to stay in. The days of Rule Britannia and the Empire are long gone, and the twerps in the right of the Tory party are typical 'Tory loonies', as bad in their way as Corbyn's cronies, give them a 12 seat majority and it's carte blanche to start internal squabbling. This referendum has played into their hands...we badly need a centreist party.

Yes the EU Commission needs root and branch reform, and lots of my European friends accept that and agree, but it isn't a reasoned argument for jumping ship in stormy waters.

[Quizzical Bob]

Sorry. I'm still voting to stay in. The days of Rule Britannia and the Empire are long gone, and the twerps in the right of the Tory party are typical 'Tory loonies', as bad in their way as Corbyn's cronies, give them a 12 seat majority and it's carte blanche to start internal squabbling. This referendum has played into their hands...we badly need a centreist party.

Yes the EU Commission needs root and branch reform, and lots of my European friends accept that and agree, but it isn't a reasoned argument for jumping ship in stormy waters.

No need to apologise Frank.

[barney]

"Yes the EU Commission needs root and branch reform, and lots of my European friends accept that and agree, but it isn't a reasoned argument for jumping ship in stormy waters."

The point is Frank, that there will never be root & branch reform because they like it as it is.

It's a cosy talking shop that costs a fortune and nobody can explain where the money goes.

I'd simply suggest that the + £9 billion that it actually costs us (not in dispute by the way) could be better spent on projects in this country rather than building an Aquarium & a Lift in Malta (both 85% financed by the EU and also not in dispute)

Via the EU, we are subsidising less better off parts of Europe while our own schools, hospitals etc go down the drain.

Some may be happy with that situation but many are not.

[Quizzical Bob]

"Yes the EU Commission needs root and branch reform, and lots of my European friends accept that and agree, but it isn't a reasoned argument for jumping ship in stormy waters."

The point is Frank, that there will never be root & branch reform because they like it as it is.

It's a cosy talking shop that costs a fortune and nobody can explain where the money goes.

I'd simply suggest that the + £9 billion that it actually costs us (not in dispute by the way) could be better spent on projects in this country rather than building an Aquarium & a Lift in Malta (both 85% financed by the EU and also not in dispute)

Via the EU, we are subsidising less better off parts of Europe while our own schools, hospitals etc go down the drain.

Some may be happy with that situation but many are not.

The £9bn would be dwarfed by the loss in revenues from a poorer economy, but why don't you target your savings at the foreign aid budget?

In reality we shall probably have to pay a similar amount in order to have access to the EU trading bloc.

[Silver_Shiney]

The Germans will still want to sell us their BMWs, the French their wine. Europeans will still want to buy whisky from the UK (unless La Krankie pulls haggisland out of the British Union), but I'm sure there are some other things that England manufactures/produces that will be wanted.

[Quizzical Bob]

The Germans will still want to sell us their BMWs, the French their wine. Europeans will still want to buy whisky from the UK (unless La Krankie pulls haggisland out of the British Union), but I'm sure there are some other things that England manufactures/produces that will be wanted.

It's not quite that straightforward. If you'd ever done it then you'd understand what's involved. As I said, access to the EU market would involve some sort of payment.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I have no problem with the European market. That's what we voted for years ago. We never voted for bureaucratic meddling and a European state. That's why I want out.

[Quizzical Bob]

I have no problem with the European market. That's what we voted for years ago. We never voted for bureaucratic meddling and a European state. That's why I want out.

I never meet any of this bureaucratic meddling that you describe. Not from the EU anyway.

[Mervyn and Trish]

You're lucky then. Other business people I talk to are less fortunate

[Quizzical Bob]

You're lucky then. Other business people I talk to are less fortunate

Any frinstances?

[oldbluefox]

These don't seem keen on our membership.

[barney]

Everybody has their own agenda.

Cameron et al want to stay to retain 'Britain's place in the world' - that is, their own status and future jobs.

Any company that has daily dealings with businesses in other EU countries would like to stay because it makes life easier and more secure.

There are definitely benefits for some in staying in, but my guess is that will be better long term for the majority if we leave.

There are dark clouds looming on the EU horizon and I think we'll be better off as masters of our own destiny.

And why it should take so long to sort out trade agreements is beyond me ?
If they can't sort out a brexit deal in two years, then that says it all about the cumbersome, slow, inward looking EU and another reason why we should stand on our own.

In my opinion, the EU is a political and social experiment with a bit of trade added and a million miles away from what it started out as.

[Quizzical Bob]

These don't seem keen on our membership.

This list includes people who didn't want to be on it.

[oldbluefox]

But the majority did....................... (I believe there were only two people who didn't).

[Dark Knight]

the latest scaremongering form the "Please don't leave "brigade was that it would be very difficult for young people to go inter-railing across Europe, should we leave

my response to the over privileged little darlings, would be get a bloody job or get an education and stop dossing around Europe and sponging off you parents
kids these days, they don't know their born..........Cue reminiscing from Oldies who paid 15% interest on their mortgages in the dark ages

[Onelife]

My biggest concern about a brexit is that we'll be relying on sweet talking, no substance Cameron and his incompetent, u-turn chancellor Osborne to oversee the transition.

There will be many unknowns should the UK vote to leave the EU but one certainty is that there will be a stream of corporate bankers telling the goverment how difficult life is for them...must be lovely having the reassurance of a government that will keep their business afloat whatever happens.

It's ironic that it will be more than likely be those on lower incomes that keep us in the EU as it will be they who will be most vulnerable when it comes to job losses.....how would you vote if you were in their position?

I'm still in the out camp but won't be placing any of my money on it happening.

[barney]

Both sides are distorting facts to suit their own argument and I expect much worse is yet to come

As I've said before, it's a leap into the unknown if we leave and a leap into the unknown if we stay

The simple fact remains that if our membership of the EU was an unmitigated success, then talk of leaving would never have even happened.

My brother has lived in Malta for twenty years and word out there is that if UK leaves, they may well follow suit, after taking billions of Euros for many years.
He doesn't much like the way it's gone in Malta in recent years and is looking to move permanently to the Caribbean.
Funnily enough, he's not considered a return to the UK

Ref Cameron & chums overseeing any exit, I think that wouldn't happen.
They would both be politically dead in the water, should the UK vote to leave
They've gone all in on a Stay vote.

[Silver_Shiney]

the latest scaremongering form the "Please don't leave "brigade was that it would be very difficult for young people to go inter-railing across Europe, should we leave

my response to the over privileged little darlings, would be get a bl**dy job or get an education and stop dossing around Europe and sponging off you parents
kids these days, they don't know their born..........Cue reminiscing from Oldies who paid 15% interest on their mortgages in the dark ages

Totally agree (although my mortgage interest rate only went up to 15% for a few hours on Black Friday, or whatever it was called)

My biggest concern about a brexit is that we'll be relying on sweet talking, no substance Cameron and his incompetent, u-turn chancellor Osborne to oversee the transition.

There will be many unknowns should the UK vote to leave the EU but one certainty is that there will be a stream of corporate bankers telling the goverment how difficult life is for them...must be lovely having the reassurance of a government that will keep their business afloat whatever happens.

It's ironic that it will be more than likely be those on lower incomes that keep us in the EU as it will be they who will be most vulnerable when it comes to job losses.....how would you vote if you were in their position?

I'm still in the out camp but won't be placing any of my money on it happening.

If, as they say, it will take two years to get out, Cameron won't be around and, hopefully, neither will Gorgeous George if Boris has any say in the matter.

I'm firmly for out but, as you say, it probably won't happen.

Both sides are distorting facts to suit their own argument and I expect much worse is yet to come

As I've said before, it's a leap into the unknown if we leave and a leap into the unknown if we stay

The simple fact remains that if our membership of the EU was an unmitigated success, then talk of leaving would never have even happened.

My brother has lived in Malta for twenty years and word out there is that if UK leaves, they may well follow suit, after taking billions of Euros for many years.
He doesn't much like the way it's gone in Malta in recent years and is looking to move permanently to the Caribbean.
Funnily enough, he's not considered a return to the UK

Ref Cameron & chums overseeing any exit, I think that wouldn't happen.
They would both be politically dead in the water, should the UK vote to leave
They've gone all in on a Stay vote.

My daughter and her husband have much better job prospects in Australia, and they're relocating there next year and, because of the way this country has gone over the last few years, will be renouncing their British citizenship at the first opportunity. Can't say I blame them.