The EU - what next?

[Stephen]

Think I'll just get on with life and let them sort themselves out.

What will be will be in the end.

[Ray Scully]

Who so ever was it who called them the Nasty Party????

I think you will find that was the redoubtable Ms May !

Incisive expert opinion

[qbman1]

At least the next PM knows what she is talking about - now there's a first !

[Silver_Shiney]

Who so ever was it who called them the Nasty Party????

I think you will find that was the redoubtable Ms May !

I thought it was Mrs May, didn't realise she suffered from Multiple sclerosis Still, she doesn't look well

[Onelife]

.....its probably got something to do with her type 1 diabetes .....besides looks ain't everything, just ask Stephen

[Stephen]

Who needs good looks with all my charm and charisma

[Gill W]

Gove is obviously a conniving, backstabbing, deceitful little sh*t.

He is the perfect man to be negotiating our Brexit with Junker & friends who are also cut from the same cloth

Looks like the French can't wait to be shot of us too !

"Francois Hollande says Brexit cannot be cancelled or delayed" http://ind.pn/29awOVE

LOL, they still don't get it do they?

The EU no longer has authority to instruct the UK to do anything

We will do what we want and when we want to.

If we decide to take six months to invoke article 50, then six months it will be.
That is our call.

If they decide that they cannot do a trade deal without free movement, then no trade deal will be struck.
We'll simply fall back to WTO arrangements and get on with trading with the rest of the world.

If the EU say that there will be a 10% tariff on cars from the EU, we will decide if we want to buy them or not.
The ball is well and truly in the UK's side of the court, but the EU refuses to see that. (so far)

I would also add that The Independent is hardly independent where this subject is concerned.
It was radically Remain and still can't accept defeat.
The Editor seems to think that if he keeps producing unfounded stats people will start to believe him.
"millions regret voting leave" - no one I know does.

Quite so Barney.

Also "millions regret voting leave"... how many regret voting "remain"? I don't see that figure mentioned anywhere.

Maybe it's because the figure is negligible.

[Silver_Shiney]

If the figure is negligible, I should have thought they'd be crowing about it...

[Gill W]

I think it"s a non-story, really

[Silver_Shiney]

I think it"s a non-story, really

Or a suppressed story??

[wolfie]

Who so ever was it who called them the Nasty Party????

I think you will find that was the redoubtable Ms May !

I thought it was Mrs May, didn't realise she suffered from Multiple sclerosis Still, she doesn't look well

That is uncalled for, IMO.

[Silver_Shiney]

Wolfie, that was clearly TIC. A gentleman never addresses a lady as ms.

[Frank Manning]

I dont think Theresa May actually called the Tories the nasty party, she said 'we are known as the nasty party'. I can already see the nasty ones in the party ganging up to stop her. Hope they dont succeed; she is just what we need now.

[Gill W]

I think it"s a non-story, really

Or a suppressed story??

I think you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists.

Remain voters have no real reason to regret their vote. if they had won the status quo would have been maintained, and life would have gone on, much as before. They lost - but at least they put their opinion forward - so no reason for regret there.

But Leave won. As a result of this, we have political and financial turmoil, huge uncertainty about the future and the history of our country has been changed for ever. It is an event of incredible magnitude.

Some Leave voters may be shocked and horrified at the events that have happened, which their Leave vote helped to put in train, and feel that, if they'd known what the outcome would have been , they'd have acted differently. So yes, it's not surprising there's been reports of Leave vote remorse.

[Silver_Shiney]

I think it"s a non-story, really

Or a suppressed story??

I think you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists.

Perhaps

Remain voters have no real reason to regret their vote. if they had won the status quo would have been maintained, and life would have gone on, much as before. They lost - but at least they put their opinion forward - so no reason for regret there.

We all had our chance to put our opinion forward. Sadly, around 30% of the population chose not to.

But Leave won. As a result of this, we have political and financial turmoil, huge uncertainty about the future and the history of our country has been changed for ever. It is an event of incredible magnitude.

On that, we most certainly agree!!

Some Leave voters may be shocked and horrified at the events that have happened, which their Leave vote helped to put in train, and feel that, if they'd known what the outcome would have been , they'd have acted differently. So yes, it's not surprising there's been reports of Leave vote remorse.

Perhaps.

[poole boy]

we both voted leave and have no regrets about doing so between use we know at least another twenty people who also voted to leave and all of them have said they have no regrets at all
think this is just another ruse dreamed up by those who lost to make them feel better about it

[barney]

I just about give up now.

Switched on the midday news to see thousands of protesters in London refusing to accept the democratic will of this nation and objecting to the vote to leave the EU.

What part of 'you lost' do they not understand

'The old have ruined my future, they bleat like spoiled three year olds

No, if anyone is to blame, it's the 64% of 18-24 year olds who registered to vote and then could not be bothered to turn up at the polling station on the day. They reckon that 36%, YES, 36% of 18-24 year olds actually got off their lazy backsides and managed to get themselves to their local polling station.
But it was when Glastonbury was on, I've heard someone bleat. You couldn't make it up could you?
An effing pop concert was more important than voting on something that will change their lives.

I'm getting to the stage where I don't care if we stay in or out.
I don't care who the next PM is going to be
I certainly couldn't give two hoots about the car crash of the Labour party. If only they had shown this much passion in the Referendum!

I do ask myself, what is the point of voting on anything if anyone who doesn't like the result can object forever.

This is the first time in my lifetime that my individual vote ever counted.
The reason being, I live in an absolute Tory stronghold, so no matter what I voted in the past elections, the Tory Guy/girl won.
The only slight change was the total majority.

So, for the first time, my vote actually counted.
Now I've recently found out that I'm stupid, a bigot, a racist, uneducated and a little Englander

I'm none of them.
What I did was as much individual research into the EU as I possibly could, closely examining all parts, not only the single market.
On balance, from what I found out, I decided that I would vote to leave.
I'd happily challenge anyone of these 'educated elite' to a discussion on the EU as a whole and whether it is fit for purpose.
In my opinion, the EU in it's present form is an institution that has failed the people and is continuing to do so.
It will get worse not better.

In the next few weeks, Italy will go cap in hand to the EU (Germans) for a bailout
They are broke. Skint. They have no money.
The biggest creditor in Italy is the Italian Government.
They owe companies billions of Euros for infastructure projects that they cannot repay.
The firms involved borrowed billions from the banks to finance these projects but cannot repay the loans because the Government cannot pay them.
So, you see the problem.
Stalemate.
The only way they can continue to function as a society is for a massive bail out.
Now many of our so called intelligencia want to stay afilliated to this shambles.

Greece and Spain is even worse as we know

Many of these young people taking to the streets today in London should be thanking their lucky stars that they were born in the UK and not in Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal where they would have a 50% chance of being unemployed with few prospects, except to come to the UK

[towny44]

Barney, surely you are aware that most of todays young express no interest in politics or politicians, unless of course it affects them diectly, by which time it is generally too late for the the poor souls to influence the situation. Which is why I don't really care if they want to demonstrate or not.

[Ray Scully]

Can't remember being too interested in politics myself between 18 & 24. I had 'better' things to do. Things I am no longer capable of or those that little interest me now

Ray

[Stephen]

At the end of the day what's done is done. It's up to the powers that be to sort it out.

[Silver_Shiney]

Barney, you stupid, bigotted, racist, uneducated, little Englander you - join the club, mate With you all the way.

Can't remember where I saw it (might have been here, so apologies if it was) apparently some bright young thing took her polling card to Glastonbury and was disappointed that she couldn't cast her vote there. I despair for today's youth and what comes out of our "education" system.

[AnnCAgain]

Don't panic everyone! There is light at the end of the (channel) tunnel - and it isn't a taxman with a torch!

https://heatst.com/uk/us-uk-trade-bill- ... exit-vote/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0ZH45O

[Mervyn and Trish]

There would be less turmoil if the upset remainers stopped talking the country down. Especially George Osborn. He forecast armaggedon before the vote but it hasn't actually happened yet. The footsie dropped but has more than recovered. The pound has fallen but has started to regain ground. In the meantime the lower rate is good news for exporters. Mark Carnage said interest rates would rise but now says they'll fall. He changes his mind more often than I change my pants. And I promise I change those daily. And George Osborn now says he'll miss his 2020 break even target and blames it on Brexit. That would be the same target he's missed twice before, long before the referendum. He's in the change mind changing class as Carnage. The sooner they're both gone the better. Perhaps the EU would like them.

[Silver_Shiney]

Don't panic everyone! There is light at the end of the (channel) tunnel - and it isn't a taxman with a torch!

https://heatst.com/uk/us-uk-trade-bill- ... exit-vote/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0ZH45O

In other words,"yah boo sucks" to the doom-merchants.

When the crash of 2008 came, we should have experienced a lot of financial pain, with rising interest rates etc. Instead, interest rates fell, we had quantative easing... Maybe this will kick-start the pain that has been delayed, and house prices will fall to a more realistic level.

[Silver_Shiney]

I think you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists.

What I forgot to say (got distracted and my short term memory isn't what it used to be) is that Boris has been jumping at the bit to become Tory leader and prime minister. Gove does an eleventh hour turn around and says Boris isn't up to the job so he'll stand instead. Boris rolls over and acquiesces without a whimper - no fight at all, indeed, wishes Gove well. What's that all about then? I remain convinced there's something going on behind the scenes.