"A gentleman never addresses a lady as Ms."

[qbman1]

Calm down Dear !

[Dancing Queen]

I was just about to post the same as you Gill

Around here people tend to call each other 'duck' which is another term I dislike but what I find really odd is men call each other 'duck' too

[qbman1]

I was just about to post the same as you Gill

Around here people tend to call each other 'duck' which is another term I dislike but what I find really odd is men call each other 'duck' too

Shouldn't that be "Drake" ?!

[Onelife]

I get a bit fed up with women saying 'Hello' handsome'...l mean, l didn't mind when l was young and handsome but as the years have taken there toll l'm just plain good looking now.....what!!!!

[Boris+]

It really doesn’t bother me how anyone addresses me, life is far too short to worry about being called a Miss, Ms, Mrs, Madam, Ma'am, lady, woman or female.

I find 'oy you' perfectly acceptable but then I've never been one to try and 'lord' it over anyone

Were you aware though that we could all be Lords or Ladies as it is possible to buy ‘a title’ in Scotland for a very minimal cost

Ha Ha that will have got a few of you thinking of what to buy your OH for Christmas .. will there be a deluge of Lady ABC’s on the forum in January 2017

Well, on a recent cruise the people in the suite next to ours were a cross between Mrs Bucket and Margot Leadbetter when they were out and about on the ship, but 'back to normal' on their balcony. It made for some quietly amusing people watching here and there. If that's how they got the title which they aspired to, then they were certainly more deluded than I gave them credit for. Oh well, at least it made balcony time entertaining.

The other thing which always causes a bit of amusement - people who turn up for check in with expensive camera equipment, and then it turns out they don't know (or simply can't) how to use anything other than auto - if they use the cameras at all, that is.

[qbman1]

I was bawled out once for calling my 'crocodile' of 4 years old girls as ladies.... I was told it was sexist to call females 'ladies' - it should only be 'women'....

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I reckon being called a lady is a compliment - 'woman' isn't.

referring to 'that lady' sounds so much more pleasant/polite than 'that woman'

I agree - 'that woman' always sounds a bit harsh

Strange, isn't it - "lady" always sounds so complimentary but "woman" feels like it should always have "that bl**dy" in front of it !!

precisely!

Good comment from a garden writer, Constance Craig Smith, on Twaddle just now:

"Anyone else suspect that if a 'bloody difficult woman' were a man, she'd actually be strong, outspoken and determined?"

[suespud]

It really doesn’t bother me how anyone addresses me, life is far too short to worry about being called a Miss, Ms, Mrs, Madam, Ma'am, lady, woman or female.

I find 'oy you' perfectly acceptable but then I've never been one to try and 'lord' it over anyone

Were you aware though that we could all be Lords or Ladies as it is possible to buy ‘a title’ in Scotland for a very minimal cost

Ha Ha that will have got a few of you thinking of what to buy your OH for Christmas .. will there be a deluge of Lady ABC’s on the forum in January 2017

Well, on a recent cruise the people in the suite next to ours were a cross between Mrs Bucket and Margot Leadbetter when they were out and about on the ship, but 'back to normal' on their balcony. It made for some quietly amusing people watching here and there. If that's how they got the title which they aspired to, then they were certainly more deluded than I gave them credit for. Oh well, at least it made balcony time entertaining.


The other thing which always causes a bit of amusement - people who turn up for check in with expensive camera equipment, and then it turns out they don't know (or simply can't) how to use anything other than auto - if they use the cameras at all, that is.

My son is a professional photographer, has his own business and studio. He uses "auto" lots of the time, he has very expensive cameras... he know exactly what he is doing by using auto. He uses lights, setting and other external factors to set the mood and then lets the camera do its job, of course adjusting if and when needed.
Auto settings on good cameras can often assess things better and quicker than the naked eye, so nothing wrong, with having a good/expensive camera and using such settings. IMO.

Maybe the people you are laughing at, have just got their new camera and learning how to use it??

[Silver_Shiney]

The one thing I REALLY, REALLY HATE is being addressed as "love". I will always cringe and have been known to reply that I am NOT that person's "love"

I have often been called "darling" by ladies. Does it mean that they want to divest me of my undergarments to have carnival knowledge of me?!? No, and they would be horrified if they thought I had taken it way. They're just using the word in the same sense as me calling a man "mate".

So,sweetheart, if you have a problem with being called "love", then, dear lady, you have a problem.

[oldbluefox]

Don't let it get you down me duck!!!
Where I live everybody is referred to as lad or lass no matter how young or old.

[Boris+]

No Suespud, that wasn't the case. I can appreciate that your son has to work within time constraints sometimes, and therefore potentially has to use auto - but these people (like us) had bags of time, and using manual is interesting, challenging and rewarding.

I loathe using manual - anybody can click away in auto setting on a DSLR ..... that's not what photography is about to us.

[Boris+]

Don't let it get you down me duck!!!
Where I live everybody is referred to as lad or lass no matter how young or old.

A long time ago we had neighbours who were any elderly couple from Lancashire - and they always called everyone 'me duck'. They were lovely people. Happy memories.

[suespud]

No Suespud, that wasn't the case. I can appreciate that your son has to work within time constraints sometimes, and therefore potentially has to use auto - but these people (like us) had bags of time, and using manual is interesting, challenging and rewarding.

I loathe using manual - anybody can click away in auto setting on a DSLR ..... that's not what photography is about to us.

Bit confused about you saying you loathe using manual, if you find it interesting etc...

You might take your photography seriously, but maybe the people you laugh at just enjoy it.

But each to their own I guess.

[Dancing Queen]

Now this might be a silly question but how would you know if someone was using manual or auto when taking a photograph ?? maybe I'm just not observant but I wouldn't be remotely interested in what someone else was doing when taking a photo.

[Boris+]

Yes Suespud - each to their own, I suppose - but enjoyment is savouring something, putting effort into it, and using auto just isn't any of that.

[Boris+]

It simple DQ - it's the point and shoot brigade. So, firstly look at the dial on the camera, the green mark on the dial invariably means Auto. Secondly, if somebody isn't playing with their exposure, speed or F-stop - the chances are they are using auto. You can stand and take a shot just fine, but move the lens (assuming the camera has a lens with a W or T on it), and you'll need to change at least one thing (speed/exposure etc).

So let's say you want to take a photo of a fountain or waterfall, you might want an image which has an almost solid (but soft, almost milky) flow of water - you'll need to change the settings; if you want the effect of capturing an image with loads of individual droplets of water then you'll need different settings. It's also fantastically interesting to use different lenses, but obviously changing lenses etc - it takes time.

Personally I prefer to try and get images as I want them at the point of taking shots, I don't like PS. There's nothing wrong with PS, I'm not a huge fan.

Then again there's always the option of ensuring zero camera-shake by using a remote to fire the shot. That in no way inhibits the use of the various settings in Manual - and sometimes it's a better image because you can relax with camera on tripod and shoot.

[suespud]

Yes Suespud - each to their own, I suppose - but enjoyment is savouring something, putting effort into it, and using auto just isn't any of that.

But you said you loathe using manual ??
Am I reading this wrong ??

I guess it depends on the photo you intend to take, some need to be set up before you click any buttons at all.
Enjoyment might come from that, others might just like to point and press..and let the camera do the work.
Messing about with settings all the time might cause you to miss the shot.
Circumstances dictate different pics and the way they are shot.

[Boris+]

Yes, Sue - sorry, I was trying to multi-task. I loathe using Auto, I love using Manual - great fun! There's nothing nicer - a snack/drink, a comfy seat and take my time getting shots, not a bad way to pass the time.

[anniec]

I used to use a camera a lot on holiday, until I realised that I was viewing a small snapshot of life through a lens, and missing everything else. Haven't taken my camera since.

Buy a few postcards, I say!

[Boris+]

Ah yes, therein lies my cunning plan - if and when I reckon I've missed something, we just book another trip there.

[Dancing Queen]

Well I guess we belong to the point and shoot brigade these days Boris although when I say we I mean my OH as I don't even know how the camera switches on he still has some of his earlier cameras which took a certain amount of skill to get the best results but just isn't that interested these days as he once was so the point and shoot is just fine.

I just find it very weird that anyone would be clocking what 'equipment' others have when they are waiting to check in, I'm not usually sat around that long to be clocking anything let alone recognise anyone on board unless it happens to be someone I might have been chatting to.

Anyway maybe you should start a photography thread so you can share all your 'pearls of wisdom' with the forum as this is going 'way off topic' now so how would you like to be known .. Mrs David Bailey has a nice ring to it

That is another of my pet hates to receive a letter addressed to Mrs ( husbands christian name ) Surname .. what is that all about

[Jan Rosser]

That is another of my pet hates to receive a letter addressed to Mrs ( husbands christian name ) Surname .. what is that all about

Hi Jo - I can help you with this - I trained as a shorthand typist (many moons ago lol) and there were rules of etiquette for addressing a letter and at that time this was the correct way to address a married woman - if she divorced or became a widow then you would use her christian name. I'm surprised this form of address is still used particularly with women being able to do so much in their own right these days.

[wolfie]

The one thing I REALLY, REALLY HATE is being addressed as "love". I will always cringe and have been known to reply that I am NOT that person's "love"

Just as bad...............'darling'.

[Silver_Shiney]

That is another of my pet hates to receive a letter addressed to Mrs ( husbands christian name ) Surname .. what is that all about

Hi Jo - I can help you with this - I trained as a shorthand typist (many moons ago lol) and there were rules of etiquette for addressing a letter and at that time this was the correct way to address a married woman - if she divorced or became a widow then you would use her christian name. I'm surprised this form of address is still used particularly with women being able to do so much in their own right these days.

I could never understand that one either.

Military personnel have a "service number" unique to each person. The correct form of address for officers was rank, initial and name (service number). For non-officers, it was service number [no brackets], rank, name and initial. Even as junior ranks, my mate and I put our number after our name, reasoning that we were a name, not a number and we'd earned our rank.

Officers had their ladies, senior NCOs had them wives, junior ranks had their women. The Lady C outclassed many an officer's "lady".

Even if the female had demonstrated that she isn't a lady, I still wouldn't address her as Ms ( bringing us neatly back on topic)

[Dancing Queen]

Thank you Jan, I did shorthand/typing many moons ago although I decided it wasn't for me and moved to accountancy so I wasn't aware ( or I'd forgotten ) this was the 'done thing' it is surprising though that it is a practise still done today by some companies, as you say women can do so much themselves these days so it is a very antiquated attitude to have in the 21st century.

I'm sure I have probably told this story before but as a newly divorced twenty something I went along to the Abbey National ( as it was then ) as I wanted to buy a house .. I was turned down more or less before I even got through the door and resigned myself to the fact that it just wasn't going to happen then I got on my 'high horse' and thought why shouldn't I be treated as a person in my own right so I made another appointment and really fought 'my corner' .. well the outcome was I came out knowing I was very much in a position to buy and I will never forget the manager saying to me 'my staff will not believe I have just given a mortgage to a woman' .. how sexist was that !!

[Boris+]

Well I guess we belong to the point and shoot brigade these days Boris although when I say we I mean my OH as I don't even know how the camera switches on he still has some of his earlier cameras which took a certain amount of skill to get the best results but just isn't that interested these days as he once was so the point and shoot is just fine.

I just find it very weird that anyone would be clocking what 'equipment' others have when they are waiting to check in, I'm not usually sat around that long to be clocking anything let alone recognise anyone on board unless it happens to be someone I might have been chatting to.

Anyway maybe you should start a photography thread so you can share all your 'pearls of wisdom' with the forum as this is going 'way off topic' now so how would you like to be known .. Mrs David Bailey has a nice ring to it

That is another of my pet hates to receive a letter addressed to Mrs ( husbands christian name ) Surname .. what is that all about

As far as I know - this husband's first name business is something to do with at least as far back as Victorian times, and then a woman might be for instance Mrs John Smith, until her husband died and then she would signal the change in her situation by using her first name, so she might be Mrs Sally Smith.

As far as photography goes, I've only got into it seriously in the digital age, and it's great because it means nice long walks - so it's a fitness thing too.

Regarding taking note of what equipment other passengers have got at check-in - I wouldn't have noticed but for the fuss the people made (posing etc). I don't hang about at check-in and head straight for the ship, but sometimes inasmuch as you sometimes can't help but notice people flaunting huge fashion handbags or repeatedly going to and fro for a coffee or magazine, parading around, I can't help but notice people posing around with cameras. Anyway - it passes the time, albeit short.