A question for Labour Party supporters

[Ray Scully]

Question for those who traditionally vote Labour
I have voted Labour in Parliamentary elections all of my life. Local elections I vote for a candidate irrespective of the Party
I would not vote for a Party led by Mr Corbyn

[Silver_Shiney]

I'm not a Labour supporter and only once did I vote for them, when I made the mistake of thinking that Tony Blair was an honourable man to redeem politics from the debacle of the Major term. Although I am sure there are some decent people in Labour (Frank Field, for one), Corbyn has made his party unelectable.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I've not voted because I'm not technically a "Labour supporter". I'm a floating voter and over the years have voted for Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem. But it's not the Labour supporters Corbyn has to appeal to if he's to gain power. It's the middle ground. I.e. people like me. And there is no way I'll ever vote Labour with him in charge.

[Ray Scully]

I've not voted because I'm not technically a "Labour supporter". I'm a floating voter and over the years have voted for Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem. But it's not the Labour supporters Corbyn has to appeal to if he's to gain power. It's the middle ground. I.e. people like me. And there is no way I'll ever vote Labour with him in charge.

[Frank Manning]

Actually Ray I have never voted Labour, but my Dad did for several years after WWII, and I have been very tempted for the first time, by meeting my local Labour councillors in Rotary Club, and by the really switced on Labour guys I met canvassing for the Remain campaign here. I didn't see a single Tory.

I would sympathise with the viewpoint of Mervyn and Trish, although I don't think Jeremy is a bad person, just that some of his policies have been unrealistic. If it becomes him versous Leadsom, I will vote for Jeremy. Leadsom is UKIP in disguise.

[Silver_Shiney]

Actually Ray I have never voted Labour, but my Dad did for several years after WWII, and I have been very tempted for the first time, by meeting my local Labour councillors in Rotary Club, and by the really switced on Labour guys I met canvassing for the Remain campaign here. I didn't see a single Tory.

I would sympathise with the viewpoint of Mervyn and Trish, although I don't think Jeremy is a bad person, just that some of his policies have been unrealistic. If it becomes him versous Leadsom, I will vote for Jeremy. Leadsom is UKIP in disguise.

That's precisely why she's my choice!

[oldbluefox]

How could anyone vote for a man who would keep a nuclear submarine base in Scotland but would take away the nuclear deterrent? It's totally illogical but typical of so many of his policy ideas.
Whilst many of his ideas are unworkable I do feel he is sincere in his beliefs and you have to respect him for that. However that would be as far as my support of him goes.

[Frank Manning]

I agree he is living in cloud cuckoo land, but I cannot vote for UKIP in disguise OBF. Perhaps we will yet get a true centre-ist party in the UK, if they carry on the way they are going and splits occur in both main parties. Who knows what may happen, with politics in the state it is in.

[oldbluefox]

Politics in this country is in a parlous state with an opposition party which is divided, a Prime Minister who has picked up his ball and gone home leaving behind a ruling party squabbling amongst themselves. Personally I am not surprised at this situation since we have a situation where industry, commerce and government are more interested in their own selfish ends rather than the common good, where the wealth of the country is shared amongst the few rather than by the many, which favours and develops some parts of the country at the expense and neglect of the rest.
The vote for Brexit was not only anti EU but a reflection of the disjoint between the ruling classes and the ordinary man in the street who feels ignored and alienated.
The battle for control of the Labour party underlines what a divided nation we are at a time when strong leadership is required.

[Ray Scully]

Politics in this country is in a parlous state with an opposition party which is divided, a Prime Minister who has picked up his ball and gone home leaving behind a ruling party squabbling amongst themselves. Personally I am not surprised at this situation since we have a situation where industry, commerce and government are more interested in their own selfish ends rather than the common good, where the wealth of the country is shared amongst the few rather than by the many, which favours and develops some parts of the country at the expense and neglect of the rest.
The vote for Brexit was not only anti EU but a reflection of the disjoint between the ruling classes and the ordinary man in the street who feels ignored and alienated.
The battle for control of the Labour party underlines what a divided nation we are at a time when strong leadership is required.

[qbman1]

One down.....

Whilst it looks like the Conservative debacle is sorted, her we go again with Labour !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-3 ... ws_central

[oldbluefox]

Listened to Teresa May this morning who sounded very reassuring and statesmanlike. Then I heard Angela Eagle with her groupies in the background obviously primed to shout approval whenever she took a breath. I hope she is just a stalking horse before the proper fight for leadership begins because I wasn't impressed. The Labour party are in a right mess.
I also heard Len McCluskey speaking in support of JC and he is scary!!!! It does not help JC's corner that he is surrounded by dinosaurs such as Abbott, McCluskey and Skinner, if the Labour party are hoping to appeal to middle of the road voters.

[qbman1]

Are Labour politicians on the same planet as the rest of us ? Many are calling for a "snap" General Election - do they actually realise how unpopular they (well, Jeremy the Sugar Puffs Bear anyway) are ? Surely they must know they would get slaughtered ?!

[towny44]

I don't remember having a general election when Gordon Brown replaced Bliar, although in hindsight I bet he wished he had gone for one; and not when John Major replaced Maggie, and going far enough back not when Jim Callaghan replaced Harold Wilson.
Is that enough precedent for Theresa to ignore these demands?

[qbman1]

TM's "aides" have "rejected calls" for a snap general election so I am sure it is just bluster from the rabble-rousers amongst the labour lot

[Ray Scully]

TM's "aides" have "rejected calls" for a snap general election so I am sure it is just bluster from the rabble-rousers amongst the labour lot

I think it will all depend on the Brexit terms. Should they be disastrous, then TM will go to the country rather than carrying the can.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I don't remember having a general election when Gordon Brown replaced Bliar, although in hindsight I bet he wished he had gone for one; and not when John Major replaced Maggie, and going far enough back not when Jim Callaghan replaced Harold Wilson.
Is that enough precedent for Theresa to ignore these demands?

My own thoughts exactly Towny. But why would Labour want a snap election anyway? They'd be slaughtered with their present leadership. And anyway didn't the coalition pass a law that said elections could only be sooner than five years if the government lost a vote of no confidence?

[qbman1]

I don't remember having a general election when Gordon Brown replaced Bliar, although in hindsight I bet he wished he had gone for one; and not when John Major replaced Maggie, and going far enough back not when Jim Callaghan replaced Harold Wilson.
Is that enough precedent for Theresa to ignore these demands?

My own thoughts exactly Towny. But why would Labour want a snap election anyway? They'd be slaughtered with their present leadership. And anyway didn't the coalition pass a law that said elections could only be sooner than five years if the government lost a vote of no confidence?

Indeed they did, but Cleggy was on the BBC News last night, wriggling away as usual and insisting that "there are exceptions" ! In other words, in his view, the law is worthless

[Mervyn and Trish]

Ah Cleggy. Remind me who he was again?

[qbman1]

The coalition puppet - remember, the one with CMD's hand up his jacksee ?!

[Kendhni]

Politics in this country is in a parlous state with an opposition party which is divided,

Divided ... I thought they had been disbanded ... they were nowhere to be seen during the referendum and still haven't come out of their bunkers. After the reshuffle we now have the opposition benches full of second and third choice candidates.

After Brexit I expected the Conservatives to be in a mess, not Labour - guess that is always a problem when the unions elect the joke candidate to a leader position (someone they can easily manipulate).

[Silver_Shiney]

and now we have death threats against Catweazel and la Eagle. Much as I have no time for either of them, this is totally unacceptable and I hope the culprits are caught and dealt with firmly.

[Mervyn and Trish]

Labour won't win another election until they understand they have to appeal to the middle ground floating voters, not just the militant left.

[screwy]

and now we have death threats against Catweazel and la Eagle. Much as I have no time for either of them, this is totally unacceptable and I hope the culprits are caught and dealt with firmly.

Sorry SS, not in the job anymore...!!!

[oldbluefox]

and now we have death threats against Catweazel and la Eagle. Much as I have no time for either of them, this is totally unacceptable and I hope the culprits are caught and dealt with firmly.

I agree wholeheartedly but this is an aspect of politics which has become almost endemic in modern society. It was very much evident in the Scottish referendum where the boo boys tried to drown out anything the opposition were saying whilst enthusiastically cheering their own side.
We saw similar examples in the EU referendum both on the streets and in programmes such as QT and it seems they have now turned upon themselves. It's a disgraceful turn of events by the bully boys.