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Had a letter this morning telling me my interest rate is going to be cut by half :shock: The interest wasn't that great to start with, now it's cr*p. It makes you think, what is the point of saving these days, all the banks are doing are acting as a mattress for your cash. It certainly doesn't give the younger generation any incentive to save for their future.

Offshore account here I come........I wish ;)

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Must admit if the fixed term rates sink much lower I think I will have to move more savings into equity funds.
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Think a bit outside the box - that's what I've been told.

'Invest' in yourself.
Accrue enough funds to then invest elsewhere.

Offshore funds - that's mainly a thing of the past for many.

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We do save each month out of my husband's pension and will be saving even more when I receive my state pension (eventually!!!!) next March. However, we tend to spend a lot of it on holidays! We have managed to find some reasonable investments and get an acceptable, though not exceptional, return from some of them.
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GillD46 wrote:
We do save each month out of my husband's pension and will be saving even more when I receive my state pension (eventually!!!!) next March. However, we tend to spend a lot of it on holidays! We have managed to find some reasonable investments and get an acceptable, though not exceptional, return from some of them.
That's very wise to keep on having holidays - and enjoying 'now'. The most valuable thing which anyone has (maybe) is time - waste it and regret it. Once you've spent time, you can't recoup it. Spend time wisely and you won't regret it.

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We save a certain amount for our retirement, but we are by nature, spenders and live for the moment. :D
My OH works hard, he enjoys being very generous with our family..and we help them as much as we can.
Yes, our kids are taken care of for when we pop our clogs, but they also need a bit of help now..whilst their families are young.
I like to kit all the kids out 3 times a year...we buy their shoes, winter coats,school uniforms. (All 7 of them :roll: ;) )
Pay for holidays for them, help with their homes.
Saving..just for the sake of it doesn't appeal to us.
I'm not even going to say we are lucky to be able to do this...it's by pure hard work...sacrifices..by working away from home for many years.
Spend it !!! Can't take it with you. :sarcasm:


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I do try to save, but somehow there is always some 'prroject' being dreamed up, which destroys anything I have squirreled away. Some people do well with stocks and shares investments, but mine just seem to mark time. As for Premium Bonds...a waste of time. Yes spend it, there are no pockets in shrouds. :roll:

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Frank Manning wrote:
I do try to save, but somehow there is always some 'prroject' being dreamed up, which destroys anything I have squirreled away. Some people do well with stocks and shares investments, but mine just seem to mark time. As for Premium Bonds...a waste of time. Yes spend it, there are no pockets in shrouds. :roll:
I can't agree with your comments re Premium Bonds. We get a pretty decent return on our bonds, given the current rates. Were interest rates higher we would move some money out of NS&I, but with rates as they are, we have a large amount in there - and we always win several prizes each, each month.

This time last year I had 13 wins!
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We got so fed up with the poor interest rates on our ISAs we pulled out of one and invested it in the Holiday Property Bond. Next year we have four holidays booked with them and we also have a cruise booked. Sue's right, there are no pockets in a shroud and with the current financial situation as it is, and has been for a long time, there is little point in saving.
I can understand why the younger generation live for today. We were always taught to 'save for a rainy day' but there is little encouragement to save, thank you bankers and Mr Carney, so will carry on holidaying and enjoying some of our deferred gratification.
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Any cruiser should consider getting Carnival shares. The dividend is equal to the general offer of interest rates, and you get the Shareholder OBC on every cruise

Santander's 123 account is about to cut its interest rate from 3% to1.5% but that is still as good as you find elsewhere, and you get cashback on utilities etc. You get interest on up to £20,000 but have to operate it as a current account, so there's a minimum deposit each month and a requirement for a minimum number of DDs/SOs

I agree there are no pockets in shrouds and the most precius commodities are time and health. Carpe diem, though goodness knows what's going to happen for our children and grandchildren


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Ok, I reckon that Santander offer a pretty good product, but I simply don't fancy having a bank card with me when I'm out and about which has £20k balance on it! What if it got nicked!!! That's the stuff of nightmares, and I simply couldn't live with that.

Meanwhile, happy holidays everyone! Keep on cruising.

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sunseeker16 wrote:
Santander's 123 account is about to cut its interest rate from 3% to1.5% but that is still as good as you find elsewhere, and you get cashback on utilities etc. You get interest on up to £20,000 but have to operate it as a current account, so there's a minimum deposit each month and a requirement for a minimum number of DDs/SOs
But bear in mind it now costs £5 per month so not as lucrative as it was when the interest was 3% and only £2 per month to belong..
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I agree there are no pockets in shrouds and the most precius commodities are time and health. Carpe diem, though goodness knows what's going to happen for our children and grandchildren
I wouldn't worry too much about the younger generation as they seem to be doing quite nicely with their shiny cars, iPhones, designer clothes, continental holidays, elaborate hen/stag outings. It bears no resemblance to a week away with the old Morris 1000 banger camping in Wales. I couldn't afford any of that at their age; it all went on the mortgage but it has made me appreciate all the more what I have now.
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We've opened some additional current accounts, which pay a reasonable rate of interest, such as 5% on TSB. But there is a limit to the amount of current accounts you can have and they only shelter a relatively small amount of money. We also use regular savings accounts - at the moment you can still get 6% on the M&S regular saver.

Apart from that we invest in various funds in our SIPPs and stocks and shares ISAs. I've tried to invest in a broad range of funds which cover both bonds and equities and various geographical areas.

We do our best to maximise return our savings, so we can carry on cruising for as long as possible.

We will have a big pay rise next month as my husband will get his state pension. We intend to save most of it each month, again for the sole reason of spending it on cruises
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We saved when we were working but now we're in spending mode. Nonetheless the crash in interest rates means we're eating into the capital faster than planned. We too have put money into Holiday Property Bond and Premium Bonds. We have enough to hit the average return and usually beat it. And of course there's always the chance of a bigger prize.


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I regularly invest off shore. Usually at the 3 card Poker table. The returns are variable. 8-) 8-)

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For those with a bit of nerve and prepared to look at the longer term, there are a number of equities yielding 5%+ with the potential also for capital gain. Riskier than Premium Bonds? Of course they are, but............. 8-)

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There comes a point in life where the longer term might not exist. So who wants to tie their money up till they're dead! Not me.


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Good answer obf. With you all the way there!

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I'm sure I've said this before but I'll say it again, property !!!! if you have a reasonable amount of cash to spend buy a run down property and do it up to a basic standard for the rental market the returns will beat any savings account, investment bonds and looking at shares recently buy to let is safer and when you pop your clogs the investment will carry on paying dividends for those left behind.

Not many companies have a decent pension scheme these days and private pensions are useless in my opinion. My son who is an accountant took some persuading to cash his pension fund in and buy a house for the rental market but with a cash injection from us and a lot of hard graft (mainly from dad) he now recieves a good return on the property and is putting all his spare cash and the rent from the property aside to buy another.

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I think that is the conclusion a lot of people are coming to Raybo. If you can overcome the problems of repair and maintenance of your property the returns are much better than anything the banks can offer and come the end of the day you still have your initial investment. There are plenty of older properties out there which can make very good homes (and are much better built than the flimsy affairs being erected nowadays).
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What use is a tax free ISA that is paying s*d all interest anyway ?.

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We spread an amount of cash across a number of interest paying current accounts which have a limit to which interest is accrued. We both have a current account that our respective pensions are paid into and each has a number of direct debits plus utility bills coming out of them which satisfies the criteria for earning the top interest. If we had a joint current account we would lose out due to the maximum balance that earns interest. I have two further current accounts with different banks that also offer better interest than savings accounts and I shift money from accounts to maximise the interest paid.
We also transfer the maximum allowed into several regular monthly savings accounts which only last a year but you just open a new one and start again.
The kids and grandkids also help us to keep our money from the grip of the tax man by spending it for us, it gives us more pleasure than watching the government spend it on idle wasters.

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Raybosailor wrote:
We spread an amount of cash across a number of interest paying current accounts which have a limit to which interest is accrued. We both have a current account that our respective pensions are paid into and each has a number of direct debits plus utility bills coming out of them which satisfies the criteria for earning the top interest. If we had a joint current account we would lose out due to the maximum balance that earns interest. I have two further current accounts with different banks that also offer better interest than savings accounts and I shift money from accounts to maximise the interest paid.
We also transfer the maximum allowed into several regular monthly savings accounts which only last a year but you just open a new one and start again.
The kids and grandkids also help us to keep our money from the grip of the tax man by spending it for us, it gives us more pleasure than watching the government spend it on idle wasters.
I like your style Ray :thumbup:

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We've got monthly savings accounts with M&S Bank, which pay 4.5% net. The downside is that you can only save a maximum of £250 per month into them and can only have one such account each.

When I was training for the financial services industry, we were told that a sizeable portion of the client's money should be put into Premium Bonds. My feeling is that this MAY work if you hold the maximum number permitted but at the end of the day, each bond is only worth £1, which on encashment is worth less than the £1 it cost to buy - so an overall loss. I was given four as a small child and have never won anything. Because of inflation, and the cost of postage, it's not worth encashing them. It's not a product I would recommend.

Buy to Let properties rely on always having a tenant, and one who won't trash the place. Having a letting agent should reduce the risk of this, but then you'd have their fees to deduct from the rental income. As owner, you'd be responsible for the upkeep of the place and, if there's no tenant, there's no income. Can be risky...

Equities go in 5 or 10 year cycles, as a rule of thumb. If you save monthly, you benefit from "pound cost averaging" as, when the price of each unit goes down, you buy more units, which mean you have more units to benefit from the increase in value when the price goes up. Conversely, when the price goes up, you buy fewer units. It is preferable to buy into a unit trust, rather than shares in individual companies unless there is a material or sentimental reason for buying them (Carnival - free OBC :thumbup:). For those who don't know what a unit trust is, it's a collection of shares managed by a professional who buys shares in individual companies in a particular sector. So, for a very simplified example, if he manages a fund investing in, say, British supermarkets, he'll look at the performances of all the supermarkets and buy shares in the strongest performing. If Aldi looks like it's going down the pan, he'll sell and reinvest in, say, Morrisons. You, the investor, probably won't know any of this, you just know that you are investing some of your money in UK supermarkets. If you were doing it yourself, you'd have to be constantly checking share prices and buying and selling yourself, which is time consuming and expensive, as the fund manager can command big discounts in dealing charges that we couldn't get. Some trust funds are deemed "low risk", others are "high risk". "High risk" means that the prices are very volatile but the rewards can be very high. When I started in the industry, one of my boss's clients had invested in Technology and her investment had increased in value by 600% over a short period of time. Then the "technology bubble" burst and she ended up with a fund valued at about 40% of the initial investment - a big loss.

There is no such thing as a "no risk" investment - ALL investment vehicles - stocks and shares, building society accounts, ISAs, whatever, carry a degree of risk.

Precious metals are always good but, again, can be risky. I bought into a fund dealing only in "physical gold" (this is different to general gold funds - it means that somewhere there is a block of gold with my name on it) - it made a modest gain in the first few months, then sank back to an overall loss of about 10%. Because of the uncertainly caused by Brexit, it's back up to +15% of my original investment. Palladium has gone up nearly 50% in the year since investing. Physical silver has gone down BIG time - about 40% but this is expected, in the next couple of years, to rocket in value.

You should not invest in anything expecting a quick return. Always look at long term - ie 5 years or more, preferably 10. Younger investors should have a small proportion of their investment portfolio in higher risk funds, a chunk in low risk and the bulk in medium risk. As they get older, exposure to higher risk should be gradually reduced into medium risk and, in the 5-10 years before retirement, start moving that into lower risk funds, perhaps even going into a cash fund towards the end. Unless you know what you are doing, always take professional advice regarding which fund(s) are the best for your particular circumstances (and don't come to me, I'm no longer qualified and was never authorised to advise)
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Silver_Shiney wrote:

Buy to Let properties rely on always having a tenant, and one who won't trash the place. Having a letting agent should reduce the risk of this, but then you'd have their fees to deduct from the rental income. As owner, you'd be responsible for the upkeep of the place and, if there's no tenant, there's no income. Can be risky...
Things have changed dramatically in the rental market in recent years Alan, most of the letting agencies have waiting lists of clients wanting to rent as they can't afford to buy. Earlier this year I was doing a job for a cousin of mine and as I was wheeling the mixer from my trailer I was asked by two different people if I was doing the house up to rent.

As for someone trashing the place if you are renovating a house for rental you don't put top quality fittings in if you have any sense and if the property is managed well you should have no problems.

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