Current Affairs

[Mervyn and Trish]

In my humble opinion, the " four founding principles of the EU " won't amount to anything when the chips are down and millions of Euros and jobs are at risk.

Juncker & Tusk will be over ruled by the money men from Germany and France.

On reading more due to the Nissan agreement with our Government, the German car industry alone exports nearly £20 billion to the UK market per annum.
So, a 10% tariff on car imports/exports both ways will see that plunge.

When the s*it hits the fan, we'll see just how much power the Eurocrats really wield.

Deals will be done left, right and centre, but not through the traditional EU method of dragging everything out for years.
Juncker & co will be side lined.

Unemployment in Spain is 22% with youth unemployment at 42%.
So UK tariffs on imported Spanish fruit won't do them any favours will it?
Ireland is even more vulnerable with their exports.
60% of their beef comes here.

Any recession in the UK will be doubled in the EU and the money men know it.

[towny44]

How can we know if it is behind the backs of the closed doors of the EU hierarchy?

....or why would you want to know, "business is business" as I think Fagin said.
At the end of the Brexit negotiations all that will matter to the average Brit. is how is this going to affect prices, wages and the relative UK prosperity compared with the ROW, if it ends up better or the same we will all be happy, if it ends up worse then you can always seek vengeance at the next general election.

[towny44]

In my humble opinion, the " four founding principles of the EU " won't amount to anything when the chips are down and millions of Euros and jobs are at risk.

Juncker & Tusk will be over ruled by the money men from Germany and France.

On reading more due to the Nissan agreement with our Government, the German car industry alone exports nearly £20 billion to the UK market per annum.
So, a 10% tariff on car imports/exports both ways will see that plunge.

When the s*it hits the fan, we'll see just how much power the Eurocrats really wield.

Deals will be done left, right and centre, but not through the traditional EU method of dragging everything out for years.
Juncker & co will be side lined.

Unemployment in Spain is 22% with youth unemployment at 42%.
So UK tariffs on imported Spanish fruit won't do them any favours will it?
Ireland is even more vulnerable with their exports.
60% of their beef comes here.

Any recession in the UK will be doubled in the EU and the money men know it.

And ditto from me as well.
PS Barney, can I suggest you get yourself elected to parliament ASAP, David Davis needs you to supply the horses heads.

[Golden Princess]

Guess you could seek vengeance at the next general election if you so wanted. But whichever way you view it, it would be too late.

[towny44]

Guess you could seek vengeance at the next general election if you so wanted. But whichever way you view it, it would be too late.

You really are a glass half empty sort of person GP.

[oldbluefox]

it would be too late.

Too late? For what?

[barney]

To be honest, I'd be chuffed if May did call an immediate general election.

At least then, every candidate could stand on the platform of what they believed and the electorate could make their choice.

My MP was all for staying in, but her constituency voted out.

So, where does that leave her?

It would put the whole thing to bed, once and for all.

My guess is that the ultimately, the result would be the same.
That is, the UK to leave the EU.

[Jack Staff]

My guess is that the ultimately, the result would be the same.
That is, the UK to leave the EU.

The results of Brexit are unforeseeable. With Ms. Sturgeons thoughts on the matter Scotland leaving the UK is a distinct possibility. The ongoing Northern Ireland case (to Supreme Court) throws up the possibility of unification with the South.

And now this...."My intention is to make representations about the specific implications of the government’s proposed decision for Wales."
http://gov.wales/newsroom/firstminister ... t/?lang=en

I'm just waiting for the 3 Nations to say "Go on then England, you do it if you want to". The United Kingdom of Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland perhaps?

[barney]

Then I'd be delighted to say bye bye to them as well, Jack.

The simple truth is that nobody knows what the future holds, either in or out of the EU and anyone who says that they do is as big a liar as Cameron, Osborne, Gove & Johnson.

The easiest solution would be a referendum in the other three UK countries to ask the people what they want.
Would the Ruling Class risk it?
High risk for the nationalists !

I wouldn't want anyone to be where they don't want to be.

So, ultimately, anyone who feels so strongly about the UK leaving the EU should have the right to relocate to wherever they choose, before hand.
Assuming that they would be welcome of course.
Just this week my brother has moved from 20 years in Malta to the Caribbean, because he doesn't like Malta so much now.

[oldbluefox]

I agree (again) with Barney.
It seems ironical that the majority of Wales voted for Brexit. It does make you wonder whom these politicos actually represent, themselves or their constituents?
Maybe we need an election to clear up any misunderstanding about what direction the UK is headed. I believe one or two of our politicians may get a shock and could find themselves out of work with no cosy bolthole in the EU to go to. I suspect the Kinnocks, along with others, were the lucky ones to have furnished nice little careers in Brussels.

[david63]

My fear is that Brexit will never happen, or if it does the country/Europe/World will be in such an economic meltdown that we will have wished that we had never started going down this route.

We haven't actually started yet and there are already obstacles being thrown up.

Once we start "negotiating" then what are the chances of being able to get all of the EU member states to agree, and ratify, the agreement? We saw what happened with the Canadian agreement where one province in Belgium can stop the whole process - yes I know that in the end common sense prevailed in the end.

Moving on from that - if by some miracle there manages to be an agreement with the EU there will then be the problem of getting our Parliament to sanction the agreement and as sure as God made little green apples there will be some major disagreements about it which could result in the agreement not being approved so the whole process would have to go back to the drawing board.

And all of that presumes that we do not have a change of Government who want to go off in a totally different direction.

[Silver_Shiney]

I fear you may be right, David

[Stephen]

The conservatives might as well shut shop if we don't exit the EU.

[Mervyn and Trish]

The only problem with Brexit is the uncertainty it has caused. And those opposed to it and bemoaning it are merely prolonging that uncertainty. The best thing now is to get it done and move on as an independent country. That seems to work well for plenty of other nations smaller than ours.

[towny44]

My fear is that Brexit will never happen, or if it does the country/Europe/World will be in such an economic meltdown that we will have wished that we had never started going down this route..

If, as many Bremoaners keep telling us, we are such a tiny country that cannot possibly manage on our own, then how the hell can Brexit be the cause of such a monumental meltdown.
I do so like a good alliteration.

[Manoverboard]

A pathetic manoeuvre to enable three out of touch ' Remainer inclined ' Judges to use their power to unsettle the oiks who dared to vote to Exit the EU.

TM will launch an appeal and the Powers that be, hopefully armed with brains PLUS common sense, will rule against it because Parliament has already voted on a basis of 6 : 1 to accept the outcome of the Referendum and all that it entails .... including the trigger.

We will complete the negotiations in due course and then Parliament will need to signal their endorsement, any nonsense from the House of Lords on this particular issue will result, I would predict, in them being scrapped .

" Brexit means Brexit " .

[Jack Staff]

" Brexit means Brexit " .

Please explain, as it is only you, Theresa May, Nissan, Renault, the French Government and the E.U. that seem to know at the moment.

[oldbluefox]

Far from the Brexiters not knowing what they were voting for it seems it's the Bremoaners who were confused and influenced by the scaremongers. Where have they been for the past 12 months? You only have to read the posts on this forum to find out what Brexit means. I don't see why the confusion...................

[towny44]

" Brexit means Brexit " .

Please explain, as it is only you, Theresa May, Nissan, Renault, the French Government and the E.U. that seem to know at the moment.

I do believe that on many occasions Theresa May and most of her top cabinet team have explained their philosophy quite clearly.
They want the UK Govt. to determine who can come to the UK and work.
They want to secure the best trading deal for both the UK and the EU.
They do not want the UK to be part of the single market.
They do not want the UK to be accountable to the ECJ.
They no longer want the UK to be part of the EU.

Now I don't know how much clearer anyone needs "Brexit is Brexit" to be explained.

[Golden Princess]

Is that what people voted for? I thought the voting paper said Remain or leave ........

So everyone who voted leave voted for

They want the UK Govt. to determine who can come to the UK and work.
They want to secure the best trading deal for both the UK and the EU.
They do not want the UK to be part of the single market.
They do not want the UK to be accountable to the ECJ.
They no longer want the UK to be part of the EU.

[Jack Staff]

Is that what people voted for? I thought the voting paper said Remain or leave ........

So everyone who voted leave voted for

They want the UK Govt. to determine who can come to the UK and work.
They want to secure the best trading deal for both the UK and the EU.
They do not want the UK to be part of the single market.
They do not want the UK to be accountable to the ECJ.
They no longer want the UK to be part of the EU.

Don't forget the £350,000,000 for the NHS and the sunlit uplands, oh and the unicorns....

[towny44]

Is that what people voted for? I thought the voting paper said Remain or leave ........

So everyone who voted leave voted for

They want the UK Govt. to determine who can come to the UK and work.
They want to secure the best trading deal for both the UK and the EU.
They do not want the UK to be part of the single market.
They do not want the UK to be accountable to the ECJ.
They no longer want the UK to be part of the EU.

That's what leaving the EU meant GP, anything else would have meant ceding those items to EU law. I don't know how you voted but if you voted leave and did not understand that, then you were not listening to what the leave campaigners said, or you were mislead by some of what the remain camp said.
And yes Jack if we achieve all that then some of what we currently pay into the EU will be available to other govt depts, including the NHS.
Now as for Unicorns I think you will need to ask Nicola Sturgeon, she seems to be the one that believes in fairy tails.

[Jack Staff]

And yes Jack if we achieve all that then some of what we currently pay into the EU will be available to other govt depts, including the NHS.
Now as for Unicorns I think you will need to ask Nicola Sturgeon, she seems to be the one that believes in fairy tails.

"We send the EU £350 million a week. Lets fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave" was what the bus said. The £350m was a lie. The government has since said there will, in fact, not be any more money for the NHS.
My reference to unicorns was about all the other promises of the Leave campaign that have now disappeared. I made absolutely no reference to Scotland in that post, though if I were Scottish, I think I might find your comment a little offensive.

[oldbluefox]

"We send the EU £350 million a week. Lets fund our NHS instead. Vote Leave"

I agree that is what was said. Does it say £350 million a week will go to the NHS? My interpretation was that instead of sending this amount every week to the EU there would be more funds available for the NHS. The mischief makers seized on this but if anybody believed them they must have been living in cloud cuckoo land.

[david63]

Whilst it was accepted that we send £350 million a week to the EU it was also stated that we get something around £200 million a week back so there is a net outgoing of £100 - £150 million a week and my guess is that most, if not all - or even more, will be the cost of "buying" our Brexit agreement. That will be our major bargaining chip.