Current Affairs

[barney]

What were the words to that Dylan song ?

The times, they are a changing.

You can say that again.

[Onelife]

To the rest of the world the white house has probably turned a lighter shade of grey but with change comes opportunity and that is what the American people wanted and what we in the UK voted for...we have an interesting few years ahead of us.

[Stephen]

Let it be a lesson to governments across the world...'Never take the people for granted'.

[oldbluefox]

Is this yet another example of the disenfranchised turning their backs on the Establishment who, for too long, ignored them? I must say it was unexpected but not exactly a surprise. The better qualified of the two candidates was so arrogant and false the American people were left with a very poor choice to make.

[Onelife]

In a nutshell foxy.....and as Stephen says.... in a democracy the people will always have the last word.

[Stephen]

You watch all the crawlers come out of the woodwork wanting to be his best mate to protect their high salaried jobs.

[oldbluefox]

Bricklayers could be in high demand.

[towny44]

The UK's relationship with the US could now be interesting, with Theresa leading the campaign for tariff free world trade and Donald wanting to raise tariffs to protect and hopefully increase US jobs.
The market reaction has been strange, after initial falls in the far east and Australia, there are only small falls in Europe, the Footsie is actually higher and the dollar is relatively unchanged.

[Stephen]

Like they said on the news this morning, the markets are having a bit of a wobble but will settle down again.

[oldbluefox]

Do you think the vote may have just been 'advisory'?
Already they are suggesting Michelle Obama for the next President. He hasn't been inaugurated as this one yet!!!!

[qbman1]

I'm not convinced the Great American Public are safe to be allowed to vote. Apparently, 12% of Americans think that USB is a country in Europe. I can well believe that to be true !!

[Stephen]

http://www.walesoncraic.com/hillary-cli ... -in-barry/

to be fair to both sides.

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[Silver_Shiney]

I suppose it could be said that the situation Clinton now finds herself in is unpresidented...

[Manoverboard]

Can't wait for the French election ....

ps ... As they say in t' East Midlands " Well done Donald, m' duck. "

[Onelife]

I suppose it could be said that the situation Clinton now finds herself in is unpresidented...

[Stephen]

I suppose it could be said that the situation Clinton now finds herself in is unpresidented...

very good Alan

[oldbluefox]

I doubt Hilary feels top of the world today. Logically it was hers for the taking but somewhere she fouled up. How can anyone manage to be so unpopular that they come second to Trump? I don't actually think it helped her cause having her multi millionaire celebrity friends up on stage with her including Katie Perry who must have jetted in from poking her nose into our affairs in Calais.
I did hear Trump say in his acceptance speech that he wanted to restore the infrastructure in the US. He mentioned roads, bridges, railways, schools etc. I wish our government would do the same instead of focusing all their attention (and money) on HS2, the third runway at Heathrow both of which are following on from the Cross Rail Link through London.

[qbman1]

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[david63]

I wonder if "The Donald" is now sat in Trump Towers saying "S**t they have called my bluff - what do I do now?"

[Mervyn and Trish]

Earlier this year we visited a US town called Clinton. Will it now be forced to rename?

[Onelife]

I wonder if "The Donald" is now sat in Trump Towers saying "S**t they have called my bluff - what do I do now?"

Hi David..... lets just be thankfully we have a leader who knows when to have kept her mouth shut, not unlike some countries leaders who are going to have to do a whole lot of sucking up over the coming months.

Regards

Keith



Regards

Keith

[AnnCAgain]

All we need now is for Ed Balls to win Strictly.....

[towny44]

All we need now is for Ed Balls to win Strictly.....

I would not bet against that, if he can stay out of the bottom 2 until the final then he is a dead cert.

[towny44]

Anyway back on topic and the US election.
I have seen no mention in the media of the fact that since the war there have only been two occasions when the same party won the presidency after a two term presidency ended, and really only one, since Truman actually replaced Roosevelt when he died only 3 months after his 4th win, but then went on to win a second term himself. Other than that only Bush senior, who replaced Reagan, has won for the same party.
Which surely should have been given more prominence in at least the pre-election betting. Even then if the Democrats had fielded a more likeable candidate I think they could have won.
So the Washington political elite allowed this to happen when the Republicans could not rally round one suitable candidate to defeat Trump, and the Democrats did not even bother to oppose Hillary, even though the writing was on the wall when the pseudo democrat Sanders almost took her down to the wire.
Talk about fiddling while Rome burns, as Richard Littlejohn would say, you could not make it up.

[Mervyn and Trish]

I'm not a huge Trump fan, mainly because I don't like him personally. But I'm wondering about the comparison to Brexit.

I can see the argument that both are a kick against the established political order. Analysing my pro Brexit vote there probably is a bit of that. No I'm not a revolutionary. But I would have probably voted stay if the political elite, both in this country and Europe had been listening to the voice of the people.

There's been a clear concern about uncontrolled immigration for years. But what happened? Gordon Brown called it bigotted. David Cameron promised to cut net migration to under 100,000 pa and then didn't. Add that to worries about abuse of the Human Rights Act (yes CMD promised to replace that too but didn't ). Then the EU had chance to consider a sensible response to those concerns but instead put up two fingers.

So it's really not surprising we are where we are, both here and in the US.

But the roof hasn't actually fallen in here yet and maybe it won't. And maybe it won't in the US either.

Maybe both results will come as a wake up call to the politicians and in the end we will all be better off. I'm pretty certain in our case that if the EU doesn't wake up Brexit won't be seen as out of line but the first of many.

And if the EU did wake up and reform would I be prepared to reconsider my vote. Yes I probably would but with the EU in its current state and on its present direction of travel then for me Brexit must mean Brexit.